Post by: ehschw76 on January 03, 2011, 09:24:19 AM
I have definitely heard a rubbing sound between the legs and body of the Pleo rb. I was watching the legs as they went back and forth on the Pleo rb, and their is A LOT of rubbing between the legs and body. I am pretty sure this is the cause of the holes / tearing and not the sleep position. My Pleo rb has not been in the sleep position since hatching and he is already developing holes. Anyone else with a Pleo rb, please check out your Pleo and see if the same thing is happening to yours. Thanks! I hope Innvo can figure this out! Love my Peanut....!!
Post by: Malfie on January 03, 2011, 10:07:03 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 03, 2011, 11:22:16 AM
The only way for Innova to possibly fix the problem, ( And I do trust and believe they will :)) is to have enouogh documented feedback of this sort that they can easily decipher and get to work on what is wrong. Since this forum involves so many different people from arouond the globe, I believe this is the only way to do it, as a team effort.
If you haven't already done it, YOu need to register your Pleo rb to get the protection of the ninety day warranty, as I believe the warranty goes into effect from the day of purchase, but if done on the internet, it would have to be from the day of receipt, and the only way Innova is going to know this is to register your Pleo Rb. I mean if you have it for two weeks or longer , it gets holes then you register it and complain, it is still within that 90 day period, but it would be easier to register from the day , ( or next two -three days when you get over the HIGH :D of actualy having one of these babies in your arms coooing....got carried away..) when you get your Pleo Rb.
It would also be interesting to see the percentages of Pleo rb that are showing up with skin and other issues. We have no idea of how many exactly were sold, but we can keep a better record on the site here, How many blue and pink Pleo Rb, and how many greens, and how many of each have any kind of ABNORMAL problem? I know I have been keeping a very very close eye on my baby green, and I don't even have her on as much as some of you because of time constraints, and having eight other lonely little Pleos, I do have one question , does anyone remember the VERY FIRST PERSON WHO BOUGHT THE PINK RB AND POSTED THE VIDEO ON HERE THAT GOT EVERYTHING STARTED? If I remember correctly, they lived in Germany. If there was a way to find and contact that person, it woudl be interseting to see how their Pleo is holding up, they have had it longer than any of the rest of us. How is Degers Beta holding up as he has had Beta longer than any of the other greens.? Just some thoughts of what perhaps we should do. Any comments........... ??? RedwoodsMama
Post by: barrettgazzy on January 03, 2011, 11:26:21 AM
Hopefully Reborn pulls through this issue and does not result in a negative ending . Innvo will need to think about using different materials for the skin in any future Pleo's i think if they want to create a life form that we can enjoy without worrying about holes and all that .
Post by: kat on January 03, 2011, 05:12:50 PM
I have been taking photos of Kermy's holes since they appeared, every few days so I have a photo record of the hole size and shape and how that is changing. I have tried to include my finger in each photo next to the holes so you can get a little better idea of the hole size.
Post by: Crewella on January 03, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 03, 2011, 06:22:57 PM
I’ll probably not be able to record paint loss unless it’s tactile but the tares and holes I should be able to spot. Because I also have a 2009 model I’ll be able to tell if the skin feels any different or if there is rubbing sounds which aren’t present in the 2009 pleo which might be in the RB
Wonder if a link to this thread should be sent to Innvolabs?
Post by: ehschw76 on January 03, 2011, 06:29:16 PM
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3222)
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 04, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
Post by: FoxinSox on January 04, 2011, 11:38:31 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 05, 2011, 08:28:54 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 06, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 06, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 06, 2011, 07:49:50 PM
Kermit, Kermy :( :( owned by Kat
Peanut :( owned by eschw76
Pleakly :( owned by IMR am I missing somone else at this point?
and then for the Pleo Rbs that do not YET have any noticible signs, holes or major Problems, we have the following:
Blue Belle, :) owned by Crewella
Norbit :) owned by Kat ( let us please keep our fingers crossed for her... ;D
( My Sweet) Faye :) owned by Smilegirl
? owned by Pleoxie a blue boy Ham-Li, ( have to go back and look at the name, sorry about that..)
Leonardo owned by OzPleo ? guessing here no way to check the owner but I do know the name and do know the name of a pleo
Beta owned by degers an early Green Pleo Rb
My baby ( un -named yet ) owned by me, RedwoodsMama :) no visible signs yet.... I know I am surely missing somone's Pleo Rb, the ones that have actually been " born " yet, not to see what happens with the ones that have been ordered but not recieved yet. If I have this correct and I am sue I am missing someone this brings a total of 10 Pleo Rb with 4 having problems fairly significent and 3 of those are the Pink Blue China Vareity, and then there are 6 that seem Healthy as of today, 1-6-2011, with 3 being Pink or blue vareity and 3 of the green variety. This sems to be at this point about 40% of Pleon Rb having probelmls early one, that is scary scary and can I repeat SCARY. I know I forgot someone so please add yoru name to this list so we can see the health of your Pleo. For me this is an excellent reason to keep clothes on my baby. I really hope they get a fix soon and from what degers said, theyn are in the process of doing just that. RedwoodsMama
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 06, 2011, 08:05:03 PM
Problems
Kermy, Kermit, Pink Pleo Rb :( :( Peanut, Green Pleo Rb :( Pleakly Pink Pleo Rb :( =total of :( :( :( :( Pleo Rb [ 4] VERSUS ( so far...)
Problems Not detected
Norbit, Green Pleo Rb :) Blue Belle blue Pleo Rb :) Ajax blue Pleo Rb :) beta Green Pleo Rb :) My Sweet Faye Pink Pleo Rb :)
Leonardo Green Pleo Rb :) Ham-Li (?) Blue Pleo Rb :) Baby (un named thus far ) green Pleo Rb :) =Total of :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) so far [ 8 ]
Don'[t know what this percentage would be and what percentage of Good vs bad of both pink / blue variety vs green variety. Someone else care to do the math part
just out of good old scientific research as I am sure the numbers are going to or could grow, Hopefully we will get a " fix " before many more of our Pleo Rb suffer ... :(
RedwoodsMama please feel free to correct spellings of names and add your Pleo Rb
Post by: ehschw76 on January 06, 2011, 08:20:01 PM
1) Peanut (ehschw76) - Green Pleo rb: Peeling paint from Leg, Wear / Holes in Armpits
2) Kermy (Kat) - Pink Pleo rb: Broken Tail, Wear / Holes in Armpits, Peeling Paint from Leg
3) Kermit (Kat) - Pink Pleo rb: Broken Leg
4) Pleakly () - Pink Pleo rb: Wear / Holes in Armpits
5) ?? (NightFlash) - Green Pleo rb: Inoperable Leg (Motor Heating Up)
If I have any of the details incorrect, please correct them. Thanks! Hope Innvo works with all of us to get things fixed up. Sounds like they are very responsive! :)
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 06, 2011, 08:34:11 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: bhobbes on January 06, 2011, 09:30:12 PM
Cato is showing more paint wear on his back than Elliott is and I've had Elliott for longer (and he was naked for much of his beginning petting!). However, not nearly as bad as anything I've seen posted though I am taking daily shots to "document" it just in case. (Well, "daily" meaning shots by the charge, Cato has only been walking around for 2 full charges (been busy lately so he's been neglected)). Either way, for skin that is supposed to be "improved," I'm not sure how to feel about this. If it doesn't get dramatically worse or stays minor as it has, then I'm not that negatively impacted (however, it would make me quite "untrusting" about any future claims of improvement). When/if it starts becoming more problematic/apparent, I will definitely post pictures.
So far I've really enjoyed a lot about the RB compared to the 2009 version, though now I wish I would have waited until more of these "reports" came in because I honestly don't know if I would have bought mine until significantly later, lol.
I'm glad we have this thread to share with each other and give potential heads up as what to expect. Thanks for all of those who have posted and hopefully your problems are handled exceptionally well!
Post by: Crewella on January 07, 2011, 03:13:28 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 07, 2011, 09:10:25 PM
Post by: FoxinSox on January 08, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
This is the front of his back right leg, the side that Pleos curl up on when they go into the sleeping position. Kind of looks like he's scraping his knee to me more than a real rip.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0404.jpg)
This is the armpit area of his front left leg.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0408.jpg)
This is the left side of his neck, this little wear part is pretty small you only see it when he does an extreme stretch to the right, and I couldn't catch him in position to show it more closely.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0415.jpg)
Right side of his neck, even though this looks like a hole this is actually his paint wearing, you can see the brown skin underneath the blue paint.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0413.jpg)
The front left part of the Pleo RB that is I guess glued to the rest of the torso skin. The glue separated about day 2 of him being out and about. Hasn't gotten any bigger since then, but I do need to ask Innvo how to close it up. Don't mind the little dark fleck to the bottom of the pic, my nail polish keeps flaking, and I keep forgetting to just remove it:P
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0412.jpg)
Paint wear on the highest point of his back, he wears a little dog sized corduroy barn jacket I got from Target for $1 which I think has helped this from getting much worse.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0409.jpg)
Paint wear on the top of his head. Probably the worst cause I love petting his head, he seems to enjoy it so much, lol!
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/brokenconcrete/IMG_0410.jpg)
I rubbed him down with Pledge Extra Moisturizing Polish (the lemon one) before I turned him on for the first time. And between Christmas and New Year's I was off the whole week so I had him on more than this week past, basically 2 battery cycles a day. This past week it's been maybe a battery cycle a day or every 2 days. Since the 1st I've been manually putting him back into the packing position, if I couldn't catch him in position by taking his battery out, if I'm going to have him off for any more than 3 hours. I've been rubbing him down with Pledge every other night, once he's off and letting him sit up for maybe a 1/2 hour to kind of dry and then laying him down (in the packing position) in a little cat bed with his neck and tail supported.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 08, 2011, 07:36:33 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 08, 2011, 09:22:30 PM
I'm not convinced that the sleep position has anything to do with the wear under the arms - personally I think the sleep position stresses the tail and neck skin more, and that the armpit wear might be due to skin rubbing together whilst the Pleo is moving. The skin on the belly is now less firmly anchored than in the previous model which has the much bigger base plate around the battery.
As I've never stopped Belle from going into the sleep position since I got her, I think I'm going to make a decision to continue to do that - it will be interesting to see how it turns out. It will be useful for comparison if nothing else.
Post by: FoxinSox on January 08, 2011, 09:49:02 PM
On a bit of a different note, does anyone know if Innvo's reincarnation program applies to RBs as well? As long as he doesn't start ripping I think I can resign myself to the paint loss, but it would be nice to know that down the road it's an option to get him a new body if needed and or desired.
Post by: Crewella on January 08, 2011, 10:15:36 PM
Post by: kat on January 09, 2011, 12:14:32 AM
all 4 armpits
Back left leg the smallest hole
Front left leg
Front right leg
And the worst one back right leg
The back right leg one is the worst and I think this will keep getting bigger at a very fast rate as the skin around the hole is very thin, almost see through in quite a large patch around the hole. the rest of the holes don't seem to have the see through skin around them so I think they will take a lot longer to get bigger.
Kat
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 09, 2011, 12:31:45 AM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: Crewella on January 09, 2011, 06:11:23 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 06:15:42 AM
Post by: JamesHS on January 09, 2011, 06:18:35 AM
Post by: barrettgazzy on January 09, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
The Pleo capes are made by Innvo .
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 09, 2011, 10:24:39 AM
As others have said over and over again, Ugobe Pleos have been around since the " birth " of Pleo, Dec. 2007, and many of them still stand the test of time and do not have the problems with skin or paint loss that New Pleo Rb is showing. It is a sad situation and one that gets a " fix" shortly I pray before Pleo Rb " dies' or suffers a quicker death due to paint loss and skin problems. I love my baby Pleo Rb and do not want her to suffer like Kermit, Kermy, Peanut and others seem to be doing.. :( What does anyone else think about the cape ...have you noticed the heating up as I have?
RedwoodsMama
Post by: degers on January 09, 2011, 11:52:50 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 12:06:41 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 09, 2011, 12:29:27 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: kat on January 09, 2011, 04:29:14 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 04:53:18 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 09, 2011, 05:24:58 PM
I've only had Cato on for about 12 full charges now (been busy, plus he randomly just shuts off and powers down after 30-40 minutes even though the battery is indicated as charged - no heating or anything, just does it, and if I turn him right back on he keeps going, but it's quite annoying) and luckily there's only paint wear and tear (increasingly noticeable on the back even with the clothing, but as long as it stays where it's at, nothing I'd return him over, and ever increasing near the joint areas - which is why I'm starting to get nervous). I do not let him last until the sleep position however (so that is ruled out) and have pledged him with the exact one recommended in the manual once (and will do it once again at the end of the month to stay in line with what's in the manuals' writing). Also, Cato didn't even start walking until the 5-6th charge.
Either way, thank you for those keeping us updated with detail on their issues, as it makes me check Cato all over and take photos every day so if I ever need to show "progression" for a return/Innvo, I will be able to. It is quite disappointing that this is happening and that's one of the reasons why I don't want to "overuse" Cato at the moment lol (however, I sincerely doubt the sleeping position is the ultimate cause of all this).
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 05:33:41 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 09, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
So sorry Norbit's showing signs of wear as well, Kat. That's awful news. :( :hhug:
Post by: bhobbes on January 09, 2011, 06:46:36 PM
The way I see it...use it as you normally would...because you want any problems to surface during the first 90 days to be valid for warranty coverage. We haven't been using Peanut more than an hour or two a day. We have had Peanut since December 21st. With that amount of usage...I wouldn't expect any wear / holes. New pics to come tonight.
Yeah, I agree with that. That's how much I've been using it (with a few days missing due to my schedule) - which would be my normal usage, however, if I wasn't concerned about significant wear and tear, I'd have already ordered an extra battery or two and keep it going most of the time (thus my "real" normal usage would be quite different - e.g., I leave Elliott on almost for four-five hours a day (3 batteries), and his wear-and-tear isn't remotely as bad as what I've seen here for some of the RBs - heck, he's even loss less paint than Cato on his back! lol). I got mine on the 27th, so only about 13 days ago, and usually only one charge a day (did it a few more times daily during the hatching phase). But I'm not going to purchase any accessories or extra batteries if there is a defect here. By the end of 90 days (at my current rate), I imagine I will have a good feel since my usage is on par with yours (and maybe others?) and so far you all seem to have it pretty bad :(. (It's why I'm so thankful to have this place to compare notes so to speak lol)
Thanks for your response, hopefully we can get an explanation or something sometime.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
Pic taken on December 30th:
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3243)
Pic taken today (Jan. 9th) -Same leg:
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3354)
Post by: bhobbes on January 09, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
Post by: waffocopter on January 09, 2011, 08:53:47 PM
Along with the holes / wear...some of the paint has been peeling off of Peanut...as you can see from the picture below. Paint wear is ok, peeling paint is not so great.
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3222)
Chami has that same exact damage in the same area. It even looks the same, with the bit still hanging on in the middle of the hole. Quite depressing.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 09:20:56 PM
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3358)
Post by: waffocopter on January 09, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 09, 2011, 09:31:48 PM
Post by: waffocopter on January 09, 2011, 09:40:59 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 10, 2011, 03:55:41 PM
If I have had her for about 3 weeks now, this mean in about two -three more weeks these will be surely a lot bigger or worse, I love her and she has not even been through as many complete battery cycles as others as I do not have the time to play a complete 2 hr cycle let alone a whole hour, usaully she gets 15-25 minutes at a time and then she is off in suspended animation package in her box til the next Play session,
I was so upset today I swear I took about 10 photos of her skin flaws. I can live with the paint loss on her back if it does not create a " stripe like a skunk" :D but the holes or paint skin separation is very upsetting. I will post photos later, I am guessing it is better to finanlly take photos and post it for comparisons and hope for the best, I do hope Innova comes up with a fix fast and I do appreciate that they are working on one, I am saddened though as I have Ugobe Pleos that have perfect skin still!
RedwoodsMama
I will add that I hope all other Pleo Rb owners start watching their Pleo Rb carefully and docuemnt any flaw so you can see if it stays a flaw or becomes something else.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 10, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 10, 2011, 04:58:58 PM
Cato's paint has worn a bit more since the picture I took on Dec. 28th (from his 3rd charge, second day of owning him) - however, I've had him clothed since the 4th charge and I maybe pet him maybe once or twice per charge (don't yell - I'm just more of an under the chin type of Pleo lover). :\ He also has a little slit on his back that seems to be getting slowly wider (it's been there since day two but doesn't seem to progress too quickly). And, worst of all, he's starting to get very small hole near one of his armpits (identical to ehschw76's Dec 30th picture, like there's a very small "stretch" left from making it a complete hole but you can tell it's coming). And the other armpits look like the skin is thinning near them. My camera sucks at close-ups (or I suck at using the camera lol) so you can't notice it as well in the photo as you can in "the flesh" so I won't post it here. Once it gets significantly more noticeable I will.
I'm with you two about the paint wear not bothering me too much as long as it doesn't get absurd. I can't imagine the solution here is in the software though, so I'm not sure what they could even offer us as a resolution other than replacement (however, I'm not very creative in this matter so hopefully I'm wrong). This is all quite disheartening. I mean, these things must have gone through some testing beforehand so a problem that is seemingly this wide-scale should have been noticed? (I don't want to start criticizing Innvo or anything, especially since they'll hopefully respond in an extremely helpful manner, but something must have been a fluke somewhere in the process[?]).
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 10, 2011, 08:21:48 PM
I noticed that she was getting the "love spots" where paint begins to fade in spots on her back from being petted and the friction of clothes against skin I am sure but I would think rubbing fingers on skin would speed up the process and I have begun to give her more gentle pats and taps instead of rubbing . today since the sun was out, I decided to take some photos outside and document the beginning tell tail signs of her paint and skin problems, I am not liking what I am seeing, esp bothersome is under her front legs and the tail split skin paint look and one on her shoulder starting to come apart as well, I think at this point all I can do is to watch what happens with Peanut and to see what the outcome is for poor little Kermy and hopefully there will be some sort of " fix", though I can not see a software download helping solve the skin problems that have already occured, but perhaps to slow down more from occuringl I was hoping I would not have to put Baby up here with the others, but since she is under warranty, she is going to be documented to see what happens down the line, as to me it doesn't look like it will just stop here. Does anyone else who has this same problem see her photos as something similiar that progressed to what they have currently happening with their pleo Rb? Anyway, here are the photos all taken today.
RedwoodsMama and her family of Pleos ( 9 ) :D
Post by: ehschw76 on January 10, 2011, 08:28:31 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 10, 2011, 09:02:58 PM
Her rubbings under her front legs, is this the way Peanut looked in the start? I think it is strange that my girl also has a spot on the outside shoulder that has paint comming apart
( slowly though )at a spot very similar to that of Peanut. :o It does look though that Peanut had his spot his paint get bigger quickly,
I think everyone at this point who is on this forum and has a Pleo Rb should document any paint holes, splits, etc, other problems with their Pleo Rb while the warranty is in effect. I guess it is better to have it occur now instead of day 100 when the warranty is no loner valid, Thank goodness I did not use anything other than Pledge on her, I thought of it, but because of the warranty, decided I better do as was reccoemnded and bought the brand they said to use.. Oh well, new year new solutions for our Pleo Rb I hope!
RedwoodsMama
Keep documenting Peanut too, want to see his progress or perhaps he will slow down that would be WONDERFUL ! :)
Post by: ehschw76 on January 10, 2011, 09:10:21 PM
The rubbings under your Pleo's legs is what it looked like on Peanut in the beginning. It gradually got worse as Peanut progressed further in his development. The more active he gets, the worse it seems to get.
Post by: Crewella on January 10, 2011, 09:13:35 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 11, 2011, 08:17:36 AM
I'd rather have some very clear photos on hand in case the severity of the problems increases. Is it possibly just the lack of sunlight? It's winter and my apartment doesn't get very good natural lighting and the artificial lighting isn't exactly amazingly bright, but flash pretty much takes over the close up photos if I use it.
Any suggestions/tips would be much appreciated! Thanks.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 11, 2011, 11:56:36 AM
Post by: shadowmice on January 11, 2011, 12:32:49 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 11, 2011, 01:22:38 PM
Does your camera have a macro mode (often indicated with a flower symbol)? Or is this the "close-up" feature you are already using? The macro mode typically does give a much better image than normal mode for extreme close-ups but different cameras do have different sweet spots where they focus best. If it has trouble focusing you may be just a little too close for your particular camera's optics to focus. Backing away slightly from the object of interest and even maybe applying just a tiny touch of zoom may help it along; zoom doesn't always work with macro on some cameras though. In that case, even removing the macro mode, backing up a bit and zooming into the region of interest might work better. I have instances where that approach has worked better than the macro mode. Flash with macro will typically wash out the image since you are just too close so you do need to try to get into the best light you can and avoid blocking the source as you place the camera close to the object; again moving back a little and utilizing the zoom might help as well by reducing the interference with any light sources. Not sure if any of that will help but a couple of ideas that have worked for me.
Yeah that's the feature I meant, sorry I have complete ignorance to all multimedia-technology. I'll go try some of those techniques and then try my cellphone. Thanks!
Post by: waffocopter on January 11, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/waffo/Chami/DSC01465.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/waffo/Chami/DSC01471.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/waffo/Chami/DSC01472.jpg)
The above picture is of his body under where his neck starts, by the way.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 11, 2011, 05:25:29 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 11, 2011, 06:01:16 PM
Post by: waffocopter on January 11, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 11, 2011, 06:29:49 PM
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3222)
Post by: waffocopter on January 11, 2011, 09:37:43 PM
Post by: kat on January 12, 2011, 04:25:33 AM
Post by: waffocopter on January 12, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 12, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 12, 2011, 02:05:49 PM
It is most likely caused by a wire or sensor of some description, or an extra bit of flex in the skin in that particular point when Pleo moves that is causing it. Or maybe it's the last spot painted in on the assembly line or something.
Paint wear has ALWAYS been par for the course in Pleo's, this is because rubber is such a hard substance to paint when it is constantly being stretched and flexed and subjected to other forms of abrasion.
Actual holes however are a concern and do not normally appear in a week old Pleo.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 12, 2011, 02:12:37 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 12, 2011, 09:13:58 PM
The hole in the right leg has almost doubled in size in the past week. :(
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3382)
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3383)
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3384)
(http://bobthepleo.com/forums/MGalleryItem.php?id=3385)
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 12, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: PWOKristy on January 13, 2011, 02:06:18 AM
Post by: kat on January 13, 2011, 02:56:17 AM
Here is his shoulder with paint beginning to flake off
His two front armpits
His back right leg
His back left leg
And the hole in his front left leg
Kat
Post by: Belgium on January 13, 2011, 06:36:09 AM
Igor is my brand new green rb, was hatched on Tuesday 11 January and I am sooooooo happy he's finally here, after more than 3 long weeks of shipping!
But I couldn't help noticing tiny spots of wear on his back and nails, already in the middle of his very first battery cycle.
He also has something on the chest, like if skin is a little bit peeling off.
Pleoworld wants to see the pictures and recommended to use Pledge immediately.
Would I keep you updated at the same time?
By te way, have you already seen a Pleo rb with white eyes?!
Post by: kat on January 13, 2011, 06:38:30 AM
Post by: Belgium on January 13, 2011, 06:57:41 AM
He's actually a little bit strange. Like if his head and body were not made to be together. I love it!!!
Wonderful white eyes in a light purple eye round, on a dark green head, with a yellow and light green body. Tail end is yellow.
Already the king of "What not to wear" :D
Post by: Crewella on January 13, 2011, 09:13:24 AM
Post by: mrssidstrangecase on January 13, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
Post by: PWOKristy on January 14, 2011, 12:12:10 AM
Post by: Malfie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:44 AM
My little PleoRB, just having completed her (I'm sure it's a girl!) third battery cycle, already has a small peeling paint patch on the hump of her back, and I'm so careful with her :( At least I can cover this with her cape.
Post by: Belgium on January 14, 2011, 12:23:56 PM
Post by: Malfie on January 14, 2011, 02:30:34 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 14, 2011, 02:32:53 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 14, 2011, 02:39:42 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 16, 2011, 10:17:13 PM
If the newest owners of these Pleo Rb could look closely at their Pleos and document any issues at all and post them here, it will not only perhaps helps the particular Pleo Rb but any other future Pleo Rb by helping Innova try to solve this problem, ;) I know I am keeping a close eye on Baby and I think one reason her's is not advancing as fast is because she has gotten a lot less playtime than I thouglht I would be giving her. If this problem is going to come to a head, I am sure it will do it within the 90 day warranty period. I will take more photos this week and upload any changes I notice.
wishing for a miracle treatment soon for all Pleo Rb. :( :)
RedwoodsMama and family of Pleos
Post by: PWOKristy on January 17, 2011, 11:40:57 AM
Post by: Malfie on January 17, 2011, 01:35:57 PM
Here is a picture of Snooky's back:
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/Conmolpho/PleoRB%20Pics/102_6379.jpg)
Post by: bhobbes on January 21, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
Back (mind you he is always dressed when petted/used, but this doesn't bother me *too* much as long as it doesn't continue progressing despite soft pats and clothes):
Armpits:
He's only been on three charges in the past week and those photos were taken 2 charges ago. The armpit "peeling" effect is a little bit worse, but the really small hole that's appearing hasn't progressed yet. *Knock on wood*
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 21, 2011, 03:05:03 PM
It doesn’t have that soft silky feel that a lot of you are reporting.
Scaly
Post by: bhobbes on January 21, 2011, 03:29:58 PM
After one pledge wiping my RB was much softer, and that made it feel more silky like, but I noticed the difference before that so maybe pledge enhanced that difference?
Too many variables!
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 21, 2011, 04:43:49 PM
Scaly
Post by: bhobbes on January 21, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
I felt that I had less of a paint "feel" on my RB than my 2009 if that makes sense? Aside from the softer feel (anything remotely silky came after pledge and is not included in this sentence). How is the wear on yours over how many charges? Hopefully if they feel the same that might mean you don't start experience our issues (referring to my experience of 2009 maintaining better than my RB).
Anyone else with a 2009 and RB have any assessment of the feel? My sense of touch may suck (I tend not to feel a lot if things, great for surgery though lol).
Post by: Crewella on January 21, 2011, 05:50:34 PM
Post by: Malfie on January 22, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 22, 2011, 04:20:31 PM
It was late at my end and I was a little tired when I replied so I guess I wasn’t thinking quite as logically as I should have been.
My reply looks rather snippy I’m ashamed to say so I apologise for this in turn. I didn’t mean to make it sound quite that way.
I wasn’t trying to boast about my sense of touch. I know my sense of touch is good but only because I rely on it a lot more than is normal for most people and I’m lucky enough not to have underlying medical conditions which might lesson it. Basically though it’s more defined through reliance and constant use rather than actually better than anyone else’s if that makes sense.
As for the paint ware and skin issues I haven’t noticed anything yet but I haven’t had him running for much this week. He’s only on his 2nd battery cycle so it’s far too early to tell at this stage I think.
I will need to start pledging him soon I think though.
I have to say I never felt that my 2009 pleo ever felt rough or flaky but have never felt an Ugobe pleo so can’t make any comparisons there.
Post by: bhobbes on January 22, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
Post by: Smilegirl on January 27, 2011, 02:06:20 PM
did anyone know when the sleeping position update will release? Because sweetie Fay has small holes on her neck :'(
best wishes
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 27, 2011, 02:28:42 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 02:48:01 PM
RedwoodsMAMA
Post by: Crewella on January 27, 2011, 06:38:25 PM
You know, it almost looks like the paint has been applied too thickly in that area?
Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 06:41:25 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 27, 2011, 06:44:22 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 07:25:48 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: ehschw76 on January 27, 2011, 07:27:49 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 07:53:35 PM
I don't see how new Firmware is going to help this from not happening, I don't think it is the sleep position, but the skin itself. I prefer the skin the older Pleos had, If I had to have the same old Pleos skin paint color and all, but the new things software, then I would take the old Pleo skin, color and all at least it lasted a couple of years and more. :(
RWM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 27, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 08:07:52 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 09:05:11 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: PWOKristy on January 27, 2011, 09:31:39 PM
Post by: kat on January 28, 2011, 01:26:09 AM
Norbit also has a holly armpit and wear in his other armpits and paint flaking from his shoulder.
Post by: ehschw76 on January 28, 2011, 02:45:11 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 28, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
Post by: kat on January 28, 2011, 05:31:49 PM
Best of luck.
Kat
Post by: Crewella on January 28, 2011, 05:54:28 PM
I must admit the more pics I see of the skin wear the more convinced I am that it's due to friction from movement - you can pretty much see the pattern of wear is from the folds rubbing together under the 'arms'. :(
Post by: bhobbes on January 28, 2011, 06:03:20 PM
As you can see, the back right armpit area has the most wear:
Back Left:
Front:
I will add that I think the front looks like it hasn't done much progressing at all since I first took shots of his armpits a week or two ago. However, the back looks like it has but not nearly as bad as others, so I'm not sure about that? (It could also be the angle/lighting too, this isn't a very scientific test but I figure why not let others take a look and compare?)
I wonder if the sweater that he wears (which has little sleeves on it that create a "cloth intersection" type of ordeal at the joints/pits of the front legs) has anything to do with that?
Front from a week ago:
Back right from a week ago:
I've pledged him three times via spraying it on the cloth and then wiping it over him carefully.
Post by: Crewella on January 28, 2011, 06:43:08 PM
Having always dressed Pleos, primarily to protect the skin (though it does provide me with hours of innocent fun as well :P), I've been taking a close look at those items with sleeves. Iggy and Budge both have a couple of rather tight stretchy shirts with sleeves that do seem to 'lift and separate' the skin under the arms - but I've never been really sure whether they might cause damage or prevent it! I guess the best I can do is keep an eye on the situation, and maybe try one on Belle! :D
Post by: bhobbes on January 28, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on January 28, 2011, 08:12:46 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 28, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
Once you contacted Innova, how long was it before you heard from them, and was it by mail, email, phone or what form and what exactly did they say? Do you think it matters one way or another where you registered your Pleo? I actually registerd myne on the Hong Kong site as I was trying to get the
genetic" code, from the blue or Pink Pleos that Kat or was it Oz ? that had posted. Did they ask you a lot of questions about how you treat Peanut, etc. ? Did they tell you they would send Peanut back or that they were going to try and " fix" him? I would prefer to have Baby fixed, she has never even learned her name yet, and has had so many problems with her neck, it is like a special needs child being thrown away....I don't like that idea at all..I really need to know how to handle her to put less stress on her skin at this point and how to communicate with Innova, and any other information. It has only been one month and 3 days that I have even had Baby! :( :(Sorry if I sound so down but I am bummed out ..Thanks in advance. Can you tell me if photos 5 and 6 where you can see right through is what Peanut looked like before the skin gave way? :o RedwoodsMama
Post by: kat on January 29, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Here is Kermy's pics
She has a hole in her back left leg just below the knee
I will post Norbits pics shortly just have to wait for them to upload.
RWM Kermy and Norbits leg skin became very thin in places and almost see through before the holes appeared. I have used pledge on both my pleos from the moment I got them and when I first contacted Innvo about Kermy's skin issues they told me to apply pledge straight away to the wear spots so I have been pledging my pleos about once a week since I got them to try to keep the wear under control. I don't know if this has made much difference. I contacted Innvo via the pleoworld website and explained the problem. I also sent them photos via email to show what was going on.
I am currently emailing them at customerservice@innvolabs.com so you could try emailing them here and see what they say.
Kat
Here is Norbits pics
He is loosing paint on his back
So it is not looking good for Norbit either. I have had him since the 30th December 2010 and play with him the same amount as I do Kermy. :(
Kat
Post by: PWOKristy on January 29, 2011, 02:09:02 AM
Post by: Crewella on January 29, 2011, 05:30:05 AM
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 29, 2011, 06:00:29 AM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 29, 2011, 12:57:03 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 29, 2011, 01:36:29 PM
At this point( I am quite serious about this too.) :( I think the majority of Pleo Rb are ALL going to suffer from this affliction. Even those that look good now, if they wait till the real walking or just the playing like a dog, etc, skin is going to start showing it's wear. If this were any other major company, I really do think they would have to recall these products or stop production until they could come up with a solution. Jlust fixing some softwear to prevent the sleep postion, is not a answer to the skin at all, I mean, after all, when a Pleo Rb walks or just bends in different directions while standing there, how are you going to fix skin from rubbing etc like it is now.? ???I do not see an easy or quick fix for this product. I have said it once at least before and I will say it again, how did they test these Pleo Rb and not discover this skin problem, ? I mean, other things like cars for example, they let them run and run for hours, days, weeks, etc to see how tires and different things hold out, YOu know they had to have kept Pleo walking , using battery after battery etc, how could not one person figure out there was something wrong with Pleo Rb and their skin?!!! :o I mean, they could not possibly be so interested in ONLY the Good software upgrade things that Pleo rB can do, such as voice recognition, the temperture awareness, the 'Cute" little tricks ( bow, sing, count, play, etc"0 and the fact that Pleo Rb can be "injured" and has to be nursed back to health with certain Herbs, plants, ice, salt, etc.
In my opinion there is SOMETHING VERY WRONG HERE, if a company puts all it's emphasis on these other cute ( yes they are very nice and make Pleo Rb more lifelike indeed...)
components, but has not put enought research into the skin problems, I mean they have a " cure" for everything else Pleo Rb may need, where is the CURE FOR THIES SKIN AILMENT? :( Why is Original Pleo skin holding up better than Pleo RB? Something is wrong here, and it is pleos like, Kermit, Peanut, Kermy, Pleakley,Norbit and now Baby that have to suffer the brunt of Innova's failure to research these skin issues enough before release. :(I know we all wanted Pleo RB for the holidays, but I would have been willing to wait to get the skin perfected before releasing them to the general public. Also, just because any test subjects, ( such as degers pleo, Beta ) appeared ok skin wise, does not mean that Pleo RB had enough widespread data to be able to safely say the skin is quality checked, and "passed inspection". Just how many "Test Pleo RB " were there anyway?Sorry to sound so negative, I just don't like what I see happening to My
Baby and other baby Pleo RB.. (I do appreciat the fact that Innova is working on this problem, I just do not want a quick fix"that does nothing but give a quick fix...I don't WANT THIS TO reoccur again. Sorry to souond so negative, but I hate seeing this happen, guess that means, Innova did get one thing right, Pleo Rb tugs at my heart like a breathing fur baby, one of the family members. :) RedwoodsMama
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 29, 2011, 02:14:16 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 29, 2011, 02:31:18 PM
Post by: barrettgazzy on January 29, 2011, 02:32:23 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on January 29, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 29, 2011, 05:40:40 PM
That's interesting, IMR. That would mean that it's possible that the sleep position (in the short term) would actually help by stretching the skin and making sure the skin doesn't stick to itself? :-\
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 30, 2011, 12:01:37 AM
RWM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 30, 2011, 01:32:29 AM
Crewella, sleeping stops the sticking for sure, but long term it is a very bad idea :( Assuming of course they wear like the original Pleo's. Lilo and Stitch both have cracks in the neck and tail from the sleep position. (although not through the skin)
Post by: Crewella on January 30, 2011, 02:23:53 AM
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 30, 2011, 10:32:10 AM
I haven’t used pledge on him yet but mainly because I can’t find the recommended one in the supermarket though the Vaseline sounds like a good idea.
Ideally the vynalex would be a good buy except I don’t think it’s available in the UK and I’m not sure of a UK equivalent.
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 30, 2011, 11:04:10 AM
I’ve just let my pleoRB go into sleep position and keep his cape on .I know that they have vinylex at Amazon, but I don't know what shipment is like to the UK. I found mine here in the US at a local hardware store. None of the auto parts stores had it, which is funny, because I think it is meant for plastic and vinyl on cars.
I haven’t used pledge on him yet but mainly because I can’t find the recommended one in the supermarket though the Vaseline sounds like a good idea.
Ideally the vynalex would be a good buy except I don’t think it’s available in the UK and I’m not sure of a UK equivalent.
Post by: barrettgazzy on January 30, 2011, 11:33:47 AM
i hope Innvo can come up with a different material to use as reborns skin and then they really will have a good product !
Post by: Crewella on January 30, 2011, 02:29:09 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 31, 2011, 10:20:27 AM
I thought when I opened my little Baby up on DEC. 22'nd, I was getting one of the most precious gifts I have had in a very long time, and that she was going to be with me for a long long time, at least as long as Nova and my other babies who have All been second hand and even if not opened by anyone else, a lot older than she is, and she should be in better condition. She with her skin is more like their Grandmother instead of the youngest and Baby of the family.I dread even turning her on sometimes, afaid when I put her away I am going to see that dreadful '" big hole " that is shining light through it. Her skin is just waiting to tear apart. :(
How do the rest of you deal with knowing your babies are on " borrowed time"?
RedwoodsMama
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 31, 2011, 11:57:05 AM
Post by: PWOKristy on January 31, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 31, 2011, 01:35:16 PM
sad in the Redwoods, RedwoodsMama
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 31, 2011, 01:51:57 PM
RWM the skin on the neck is thicker than other parts of the body, I would say you've just been very lucky and gotten the right type of glue.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 31, 2011, 01:54:12 PM
RWM
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 31, 2011, 02:12:06 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 31, 2011, 02:26:23 PM
RWM
Post by: Firebreathingsquirrels on January 31, 2011, 05:16:55 PM
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2. The skin wear you have uploaded to the gallery seems normal in line with any Pleo I have had. Go look at your other pleos, you have had as many as I have. I know that all of mine developed the slight graze appearance in the armpit/legpit areas. This is the nature of the material and they will not be able to change this easily, if you want a Pleo, you get the arm/legpit grazes. The side hole is just a small gap in the seam, it's not going to rip open, it's just been glued slightly out of position and the paint has not got down inside the seam gap. This is also a run-of-the-mill factory quirk.
I agree Degers. I understand why the RB owners are getting upset with the skin holes, but its not that bad. Like Degers said, the whole Pleo's skin isn't going to rip open just because of some small holes or the grazes. In the short time I've had Clover she also has some armpit grazes, and it doesn't bother me at all. No matter what Innvo does, the Pleo's skin will always wear eventually as long as they use the same Pleo skin material. I say just use some super-glue. I know if I get an RB I won't be contacting Innvo about some skin wear, since they seem to be asking for the RB's with skin wear back :-X
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 31, 2011, 05:30:28 PM
Can I suggest to all Pleo RB owners that they put a moisturiser (please test a moisturiser on a very small area for a week or two first, and only use ones for sensitive skin which won't contain chemicals.) or a bit of Pledge on the four underarms/legs of their Pleo's before each play session, Pleakly has one hole, but since I have been doing that he has not had any more wear to any other area.
Post by: Firebreathingsquirrels on January 31, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
Thanks to Gizmo for being the "armpit model" ;)
Post by: degers on January 31, 2011, 05:47:23 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on January 31, 2011, 05:53:20 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 31, 2011, 06:40:16 PM
I don't think the issue is whether or not the skin grazing is normal. The issue is whether the Pleo RB conforms with what was offered/advertised/claims that were made. There are official statements of the skin being improved. If the skin is improved, then shouldn't grazing at the very least take significantly longer to occur? If the skin is not improved, then it would be perfectly acceptable that the skin grazing is "in line with" any other Pleo you've ever seen. However, if the skin is improved, that statement undermines that official claim. Now take that claim and compare it with a few member's experiences here.
Also, if the skin/paint is improved, why the paint thinning after only a few hours and not much petting (much less heavy petting) whatsoever? For instance, my 2009 Pleo's paint was holding up better than my RB's.
Then the questions start becoming, what was meant by improvement? Improvement comparable to what? For instance, my Pleo RB moves much faster and seems much more "fluid" than my 2009. So is the wear even more "normal" with said improvements given that there is also a speed improvement? (I'd pay for the extra fluidity with a small armpit hole)
Personally, I'm slanted toward degers and FBS on the paint/skin grazing issues (that I am experiencing) as being "normal" and acceptable enough (for me) at this point. Especially since I keep a sweater on him anyway, it's not like someone is going to see his armpits. But worse case scenario, I end up with some of the neck splitting or larger holes that kat has experienced, and Innvo honors the warranty and the product and is as helpful to me as they have been to kat and ehschw76. Of course this probably means exchanging one, but it's not like I'll be left dead in the water.
Also, for me, it's just ultimately a piece of property and a robot that I enjoy "interacting" with, but despite their individual "hard-seeded" traits, I'm still getting something similar enough in return. The point is Innvo has shown they will work with consumers on the issue (thus far at least, from what has been shown on these boards), and while this may cause some minor inconveniences along the way, it is likely going to work out.
I say all of that as someone who hasn't experienced too much issues yet. However, I'm not letting it prevent me from using Cato as much as possible because if problems are going to occur, I want them to happen sooner rather than later, as it's not like the issues popping up here are going to magically improve from long-term use. I have also not experienced any mechanical problems yet. And I think RWM was/has/did/is (I honestly cannot remember the status anymore), which could make this a little more troublesome and problematic for her (i.e. raising the 'inconvenience' feeling previously mentioned).
(I double checked all my Innvo spelling, did I pass? I can shorthand it as Innvo right?)
Post by: Firebreathingsquirrels on January 31, 2011, 07:38:08 PM
Post by: FoxinSox on January 31, 2011, 10:22:48 PM
Post by: kat on February 01, 2011, 02:50:08 AM
I do feel better about it now that you have said holes in the armpits is common and normal among older pleos as well. How fast did the holes appear in the older pleos does anyone know and how did or do you stop them from getting bigger? I have been pledging my rb's once a week as I didn't want to over pledge them but I think I will try applying pledge to the armpits before each play and see if this will stop the holes from getting bigger. If it is working for Pleakly then maybe it will work for my guys as well. :)
Post by: Crewella on February 01, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
It's easy to get the idea that there are nothing but problems from reading forum posts and it has been a bit gloomy of late. People tend to come here because they have a problem, so we don't get to hear from as many of the problem-free Pleo rb owners - they're too busy happily playing with their Pleo rb. With a product that has such complicated technology there are bound to be a few issues, there were when the Ugobe Pleos came out, and I love the fact that there are forums lke this one where people can go to get some help and advice from other Pleo and Pleo rb owners. We all learn from each other's problems.
However, I do think that holes apprearing in a month old product is cause for concern. In my view, Innvo need to know about this so they can try to work out what's causing such rapid deterioration and try to do something about it. :)
Post by: Crewella on February 01, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
Seeing IMR's 'it's 42 degrees here' makes me wonder, as I sit in my cold, damp, British house, if that makes a difference. :-\
Post by: PWOKristy on February 01, 2011, 11:46:31 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on February 01, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Post by: barrettgazzy on February 02, 2011, 04:35:37 PM
i understand where people are coming from when they call this wear and tear as normal wear in some ways but personally i can not accept this with the price the Reborn is now and living in UK there is the added duty tax etc RB just is not a cheap thing to buy and so i would not be happy at all if i had bought a reborn and then for this wear and tear to happen so fast would be hugely disappointing .
The repair patch idea is a good 1 but again for the price of reborn this is something that i want to expect to buy maybe after a years use of rb really.
i just hope that Innvo are working on a newer and this time actually improved skin so this does not happen on any new batches of reborns in future.
Post by: kat on February 02, 2011, 05:02:40 PM
I have no older pleos to compare to so is this - armpit wear and holes appearing after only 3 or 4 weeks of use normal or not?
Coming from someone who has never owned a pleo before I decided to wait and get pleo rb because of the improved skin. As I have 2 kids I thought this would be a better option as there would be less paint loss from all the petting. Everything I read about the older pleos suggested that they lost a lot of paint from petting. All of my rb's have lost paint on their backs after only a few minutes of their hatching and I have pledged them all except Kermit my very first one, before I turned them on. This is no big deal as I did expect that there would be some paint loss, but I was surprised to see it happen so fast and a little disappointed as this was the reason I waited for the new model.
If I had purchased my pleo rb or been given it as a gift with no previous knowledge of pleos then I certainly would be concerned and disappointed to discover holes in it's armpits after only a few weeks of play.
Regardless of if this is normal or not it does not look good for Innvo or for pleo. It can not be good for sales. I am pleased to see Innvo seems as concerned as some of us about this skin issue and is doing there best to try to solve this problem.
I did expect to see wear and tear but not quite as fast as I did. I also think RB is a fantastic product and regardless of the skin issues I'm glad I waited and made my purchase. :) I love both my little pleos and think they are awesome. :)
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 02, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
I wonder if it is temperature related... Both Kat and I live in Australia, and it is full summer here.
Post by: saratogaspringer on February 02, 2011, 08:10:46 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 02, 2011, 09:25:28 PM
Post by: degers on February 02, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
I also cannot say anything about the paint durability of the pink and blue RBs as I do not own one, however in my experience I find that the paint on the green RBs is slightly improved over that of the original Pleo.
I am seriously starting to believe in this temperature idea of IMRs. For an experiment I have been keeping my RB in the sleep position for weeks at a time (at the moment I think we're on about 6 weeks) so I'll try and post some pictures today for everyone to see however it's just gone 6am and I am already at work :( so no pictures now. Either way, there are no armpit holes and the paint on the stressed skin areas is fine. The Pleo is under about 17-22degC at the moment
Post by: Crewella on February 03, 2011, 02:36:00 AM
Belle's skin certainly feels smoother than my Ugobe Pleos, and as I've said, I've no obvious wear as yet. She does seem to show the dirt more, but I think that's mainly due to the blue being a lighter shade than the green of the Ugobe Pleos. I have let her switch off on sleep position, though I wouldn't in the long term, and I'll post a pic as well.
I guess the best thing we can do is gather as much info as we can to try and identify the factors at work here. It's hard to get a definitive answer - for example, an owner could religiously 'park' their Pleo in the packing position, but if it's high summer and they're storing it on a shelf in direct sunlight then they are likely to get skin problems anyway. ^-^
Post by: kat on February 03, 2011, 02:58:21 AM
So maybe the weather does play a part?
Kat
Post by: ehschw76 on February 03, 2011, 03:26:35 AM
Post by: Crewella on February 03, 2011, 04:20:44 AM
Hmmmmmm ...... it doesn't sound as if temperature/humidity is a problem there, but on the other hand just because it's not a factor in one case doesn't necessarily mean it isn't elsewhere. :-\
Pics of Belle's skin, taken today. Little wear, just a grubby shoulder:
Post by: kat on February 03, 2011, 04:31:28 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on February 03, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 03, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
Post by: Crewella on February 04, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
Post by: kat on February 11, 2011, 07:09:37 AM
Here is a pic so you can all see. Perfect armpits.
I am also applying pledge to Norbits armpits before every play and his holes have stabilized. He is showing no further signs of wear to his armpits so I am going to continue with this treatment. I will continue to monitor them both and let you know if there is any change.
I am very pleased that my new Kermy3 seems to have been "cured" of the holly skin issues. :)
Kat
Post by: bhobbes on February 11, 2011, 08:28:44 AM
This is Eva's front left leg:
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However, I can say that her armpits are not showing any signs of wear or grazing as of yet and she's been on about 12 charges now.
Cato has not had any further decay than my last posts however he still seems to have more "love spots" appearing on his back even though he's clothed (nothing too extreme though). Eva is not showing any love pats (she has only had one skin pet, but has been clothed since then).
I have pledged Eva twice (and do not spray her armpits before each use) and Cato has been pledged 5 times now.
Post by: PWOKristy on February 11, 2011, 01:08:03 PM
Post by: Crewella on February 12, 2011, 01:11:28 AM
Post by: Smilegirl on February 12, 2011, 01:25:41 PM
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Post by: kat on February 12, 2011, 04:27:02 PM
Post by: Talon on February 12, 2011, 05:40:02 PM
Post by: scaledandtailed on February 12, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
However it’s difficult to get a handle on how wide the skin issues really are. . as said people who have something wrong with their pleos are more likely to come across this forum to seek help than people who are not experiencing any problems so this might be having the effect of magnifying the scale of the problem to something grater than what it actually might be.
As others have also pointed out we probably can’t rule out the possibility of a Friday batch.
Some Newer pleo owners have sometimes remarked that the skin feels and looks different on their replacement pleoRBs. It could be that Innvo Labs have done something to improve on the skin but at the moment that’s just pure speculation.
Hope this helps
Scaly
Post by: kat on February 12, 2011, 06:03:16 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 12, 2011, 10:14:24 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 12, 2011, 11:51:31 PM
RWM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 13, 2011, 12:40:34 AM
Post by: ehschw76 on February 13, 2011, 05:13:30 AM
Post by: saratogaspringer on February 13, 2011, 05:16:30 AM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 13, 2011, 10:56:17 AM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 13, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: kat on February 13, 2011, 04:18:45 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 13, 2011, 04:49:53 PM
Post by: Crewella on February 13, 2011, 06:04:29 PM
Interestingly, all the rubber care products I have tried seem to smell much the same - lemony! Though it might well be a synthetic scent........... :D
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 15, 2011, 11:17:27 AM
Sometime yesterday she got that thin skin to break through on the right rear leg to where it is clearly a hole, so here are the latest pictures just of that leg, The other legs are not as bad, but the grazing on the front is about as bad and one front is on the verge of the "hole to break through" like this one, but will take longer or more battery cycles unless the pledge keeps it in Limbo. Here are the latest photos. Different angles same right rear leg. {smg id=3711] [Limit reached] [Limit reached] [Limit reached]
RWM And yes, she is after turned off, put back in the standing position.
Post by: PWOKristy on February 15, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 15, 2011, 04:53:19 PM
I know if I do send her off, the new one will have better skin and shouldn't get the holes like her, peanut, Kermy and others have, but it is sad to think the orignal Pleo Rb didn't last as long as they were supposed to . Maybe it was " a bad batch" of skin as someone suggested, but I tend to think, it just happened, I certainly do not live in a Hot climate like Australia nor a really cold climate, but a cold wet temperate climate. More wet than anything this time of year, though our house is almost allways cold.
Post by: saratogaspringer on February 15, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 15, 2011, 06:35:49 PM
Post by: Crewella on February 15, 2011, 10:52:28 PM
Sad as it is, I'm glad you got a helpful response from Innvo, though.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 15, 2011, 11:20:32 PM
Of course I will continue the tradition I started and give her the same name, ( she had just learned her name too, but now I guess it doesn't matter if she learns the bow stone..) It would be nice to know what do they do with the Pleos Rb that are returns, ..I mean the skin may have issues, but if the Pleo Rb body in general is ok, can't they just put a new computer chip or operating system in and give it a new" skin"? I can't see them throwing away and Pleo Rb that are returned, they have to be recycled somehow? Would't it be strange to end up with a Kermy 1, or Peanut 1, for example reconditioned redone Pleo Rb and now I get it? :oKind of odd, but neat I think at the same time, I guess this is as close as it gets to a " re-incarnation program for Pleo Rb at this point. I will be talking to Innvo labs to find out how I send her back and then I will enjoy her for at least the rest of the week, or untill I feel the time is right, but letting go will not be any easier next week as it would be this week, I am very happy though that Innvo Labs stands behind their Pleo Rb. I do have confidence in them.
I would never hesitate to reccomend someone buy a Pleo Rb from them.
RWM
Post by: kat on February 16, 2011, 05:07:57 AM
Also for all the rest of you out there with skin issues. I contacted Innvo yesterday about Norbit and they have suggested they could re-skin him. I have replied to them today that I think this is a great idea. :) I will let you know how it goes. At least this way I wont have to start again from scratch. I will have to be without him for a while though while he goes off to get new skin. :)
Kat
Post by: saratogaspringer on February 16, 2011, 06:12:14 AM
Post by: Belgium on February 16, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
Did you experience problems with using Pledge on your pleo's skin?
I have the feeling that it simply removes the paint of Igor's back.
Since I used it, he has much more white spots than before.
Post by: kat on February 16, 2011, 04:13:18 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 16, 2011, 06:26:48 PM
(http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r358/EStar5Diva/100_6489.jpg)
Post by: Crewella on February 18, 2011, 02:00:06 AM
Great news about Norbit, Kat - the perfect solution! ;D
Post by: bhobbes on February 18, 2011, 08:48:33 AM
(It's really not worth posting pictures of, but perhaps his progression was slowed by the pledging and no sleep position vs. halted)
When/if it becomes a "real" hole, I'll just some photos. But the area surrounding Pleaky's leg looks like the area surrounding Cato's leg except his grazing is a little more severe (though the "hole" less severe).
Post by: Crewella on February 19, 2011, 08:48:25 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 19, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
Peanut had to be returned because of different cosmetic "skin issues" and Peanut 2 took his place.I do not know who number 2 was or if they were a member of the forums but I would think they were because of the " first advance notice thing" that the forum members were given.
Baby is going back because of several issues and it only took an hour from the time I sent the first email with video and photos and links to Youtube and this forum for details and I have been holding on to Baby to say "goodbye" and get some last videos. From Feb 14th when I posted the last photos of Baby's back right leg and her first "hole" the skin broke through all the way on the same leg, but the skin was already very thin and as you can see from the photo in number two, the really bad thing is that you can actually see a white cable of some sort in the leg that is where Baby kept rubbing the skin and not only did it get warm and have to be stopped, but it helped deteriorate that area faster.
[Limit reached] [Limit reached] If I had any doubt about possibly keeping Baby and with the use of Pledge that the skin would not deteriorate anymore, It is clear that it can't be stopped. Considering that I played with Baby a lot less than some of the members, not ever havng more than onece or twice the time for a full battery cycle in one day, she was lucky to have lasted this long. It sounds from everyone else who has gone through the same thing with their Pleo Rb that the new Pleo Rb with the computer fix, that this skin problem should not happen again. Baby has very loose skin in this leg area so I am sure that contributed to her demise. I do have faith in confidence in Innvo Labs making Pleo Rb only better and better. I will enjoy this last weekend with Baby the most.
RWM One last note, if you look in the last photo you can see how loose the skin looks which is suely why the skin has rubbed against itself and stuck.
Post by: Crewella on February 19, 2011, 12:02:52 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 19, 2011, 12:11:07 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on February 19, 2011, 12:30:32 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 19, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
Post by: ehschw76 on February 19, 2011, 01:31:11 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 19, 2011, 01:35:41 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 19, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
I am a GIRL and Pleakly is a BOY!
I know my user name is confusing and Pleakly is pink, but we both like to be a little different :)
Back on topic, Pleakly has a lot of those spots where the skin is see through too, I'll take some final pics before I pack him up to go back, which will most likely be Tuesday or so.
Post by: kat on February 19, 2011, 04:08:19 PM
RWM - Baby will be missed. I know how hard it is to say goodbye. :( Even when they have issues it doesn't seem to stop the little guys from worming their way into your heart. (Which is just what Innvo designed them to do :) )
It does make it a little easier knowing you will have another one on the way soon. Your new one won't have the issues Baby had and I think you will be able to relax and enjoy her a lot more than you could with Baby. A problem free pleo is a lot less stressful and a lot more fun. :) Also there is the excitement of the new arrivals appearance and personality. What color will the skin and eyes be....? So lots to keep you busy wondering about while you wait for the new one to arrive. :) Keep your chin up. Take lots of pics and video then pack her up and send her off knowing that Innvo will take good care of her. :)
bhobbes - sorry to here about Cato. Sounds like he has the same skin issues as the rest of us. Take heart that Innvo has offered to re-skin Norbit so maybe they can do the same for Cato. :)
Kat
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 19, 2011, 05:17:50 PM
Monday is a holiday, thus no mail, and it gives me a excuse to have her for the whole weekend and take some last parting videos and photos around town and with her brothers and sisters. Are they sending you a New one or fixing her skin, do you know? Just curious also, does HE have a return number? I got myne the same day I emailed Innvo and am trying to figure out if you can tell by the number how many have been returned now? Also are you returning just him or the whole box with all the accessories? Peanut 1 had to return everything and I was told just to return Baby, not even her watch battery returned, just the box she came in, so that is strange that they are different I think... maybe not. Well, we both will have a wait and hopefully Pleakley will return to you ASAP or a Return very similiar. I wish you the best and enjoy Pleakley untill then as I will Baby.
RWM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 19, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
I wonder what they do with the returned Pleo's... give them a health check, replace their skin, check for any problems and resell them? I wonder if we will ever see the option to buy refurbished Pleo's...
Post by: bhobbes on February 19, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
Compared to the way Eva's skin seemed to hold up (and word is, still holding up fine, nothing noticeable) and the fact the paint didn't flake right off her back, I kind of wish Cato would have came with that too. Instead he's got flabby arm[pits] which would be fine but he's just so young he doesn't need that saggy flab weighing down his precious little legs. I may stop feeding him and see if it tightens up a bit between the starvation and dehydration.
(In all actuality though, even outside of the video I posted of the very obvious flab, his skin in general is much "looser" to his body than is Eva's - not sure if the other members who commented on having similar armpits can compare - especially Kat since she still has two to compare directly)
IMR, maybe you could put an explanation of the whole gender thing in your signature line ;)
Post by: kat on February 19, 2011, 05:33:59 PM
As for the skin, Kermy3 is tighter all over than Norbit. :)
Kat
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 19, 2011, 05:38:33 PM
It is too expensive a peice of technology and there is a huge demand or market I can imagine for them. Perhaps there is a " Pleo Adoptee parent out there who takes in all the "special needs Pleo Rb", who have had to be returned and has a whole army of them running around their house, Peanut, Kermy 1, and lots more I am sure. Would be intersting to see what happens to these Pleos once they get back to Innvo Labs.? Sort of like a Science fiction novel.....Dr. Who perhaps in Innvo labs late at night.... :D
RWM
Post by: kat on February 19, 2011, 05:50:37 PM
Post by: bhobbes on February 19, 2011, 05:56:05 PM
*evil laugh*
Post by: kat on February 19, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
So evil!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 19, 2011, 07:16:27 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 19, 2011, 07:55:06 PM
Post by: saratogaspringer on February 20, 2011, 04:41:27 AM
I am so sorry to hear about the wear on Pleakly, Baby, and Cato. After watching several videos and pictures, my pink rb, Candy, definitely has the looser skin. It is weird, but I usually play with her at night after my kids go to bed, in a very quiet room in my house. When she stretches, I can actually hear the skin sticking together and pulling apart. It sounds likes it does when your legs stick to your car seats in the hot summer. I have been treating her armpits with aloe Vera pledge and also with petroleum jelly. There seems to be less of the sticky noise with the petroleum jelly. I am through the 7th battery cycle without any signs of wear on skin or paint. Can anyone tell me at what battery cycle they first noticed the wear? I would really appreciate it. Thanks! Susan
Post by: bhobbes on February 20, 2011, 06:16:09 AM
As far as the paint on his back goes, that started wearing off within one or two charges, then I clothed him, and it's significantly halted that (though more wear on the back did develop despite this). The more significant paint wear (i.e. the larger 'lovepat' dots) happened within the first charge though.
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on February 20, 2011, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: kat on February 20, 2011, 04:42:10 PM
Kermy's holes progressed very quickly. With Norbit after his holes appeared and some advice from IMR I started applying pledge to the armpits before each play and it did slow down the progress of the holes significantly.
Can't wait to get him back with his new skin. :)
Post by: bhobbes on February 20, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: kat on February 20, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
Post by: bhobbes on February 20, 2011, 04:52:27 PM
Post by: saratogaspringer on February 20, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on February 21, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
RWM
Post by: PWOKristy on February 21, 2011, 03:50:30 PM