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[RedwoodsMama]

 Had one more quick thought, I have never , except once, let Baby fall asleep on her own and wake up on her own, according to the clock thing. What I mean by that, is that I allways pull her battery out before she goes to sleep " naturally", on the time clock schedule, and I never have the battery in her to have her wake up on her own, Would not want to see her wake up and fall off of the top shelf she is on, or she would be " broken", Not letting the Pleo rb wake up on their own clock schedulel and allways pulling the battery out instead of just turning her off, ( do not want her in the sleep curled up position) does that affect her in any negative way? Just thought I would add this information.
                                            RWM

[degers]

Finally!  It took you long enough to figure out!  Pleo rb will not save it's data unless it is turned off properly, i.e. a shutdown due to low battery charge at the end of a cycle or holding the button to shut the Pleo down.

Your rb has not even got through the first stage of hatchling because you never let it shut down properly.

[Crewella]

I was thinking along those lines RWM.  It would make sense that any learning or experience would need to be saved to form the personality, and logically that would need to be at the end of playtime rather than the beginning and so be part of the shut down process.  Conceivably then consistently removing the battery would then stop your Pleo RB from saving it's experiences to memory.  I would really appreciate a comment from a 'proper techy person' on that, though - my so-called 'logic' has led me astray before!

ADDED:  Ah - there you are - thank you degers!!

[degers]

Have been away on business since the 17th, but been watching the forum on my cell, so couldn't reply

[bhobbes]

Finally!  It took you long enough to figure out!  Pleo rb will not save it's data unless it is turned off properly, i.e. a shutdown due to low battery charge at the end of a cycle or holding the button to shut the Pleo down.

Your rb has not even got through the first stage of hatchling because you never let it shut down properly.

If that's true, then shouldn't my Cato be stuck in hatchling phase as I've never let him turn off naturally (nor use the button)? He exhibits all of the juvenile behaviors? (i.e. walks around, explores, plays with stuff, eats, somehow injured himself and kept whining about it until I figured out what was going on)

Any ideas on what might be going on there? Or is he just a more advanced hatchling? (He did shut himself off once after 30 minutes on his own but this was after he was out of the hatchling phase [at least from what I could tell])

Modification: I should add he has done that random freeze up then giggle and start over type of thing several times. Does it possibly save during that event too? 

And would it be a good idea to have the Pleo RB's "autosave" after so long just in case it doesn't shutdown properly? (Similar to various programs, such as MS Word, autosaving every X minutes) Or is there a technical limitation on that?

Sorry to be overly inquisitive, I would love to learn all the "insider" technical details of the software and hardware (and the interaction of the two), but for obvious reasons, that won't happen lol.

Are you able to comment on (and if so, answer) whether or not there is a determination to the armpit area problems so many are experiencing? (Like, is the sleep position officially ruled out so it should be 100% safe to just let him shut down on his own, or should I start letting him shut down, recharge a bit to get him back up into a different position and then pull the battery out?) Having examined his armpits while he took a nap in between walking sessions a few weeks ago, I didn't notice any "excessive" stretching of it that would indicate wearing it out, but I'm a lay person so my observation might not be worth much.

Either way, thanks for all the info and all you do for us here!

[RedwoodsMama]

 degers, thank you, I had not even thought of that, I had seen her fall asleep several times , but then I wake her up so I can pull her battery! I now understand about the stored memory, so I guess she really is " a baby"! so much for  understanding everything. So even though she has walked and played tug of war, she still is in the very early stages. so at this point, I won't worry about the walking and just let the full battery go through it's natural cycle, So if I am supposed to let her fall asleep on her own, if the clock is set at say, 2:00 a.m as the time for her to go to bed, then do I have to put the battery in for her to " wake Up" or is it ok to wait till I get up? also if the battery is fully charged and I put it in her say, at 7;00 a.m ( she is supposed to be asleep, ) then she should be awaking at 12:00 noon, is that correct? If I set the clock back as her wake up time to be 10:00 am, and her noon clock would then be 2:00 p.m  does her clock get put off cycle if it  isnt put in for her to " wake up" on her own? How do you keep a Pleo rb from waking up and not gettting "hurt" . Does anyone have a Pleo rb that has wandered off from where you left them?
             I have her up high on a shelf about 5 feet off the grouond, so I guess I won't leave her there. Thanks for explaining what I was doing wrong degers, it actually makes sense now, It does not explain the neck thing, but I won'[t worry about the walking anymore untill she has gone through several more battery charges and still isn't walking, I figure I can catch up by going through at least two more battery cycles a day, so I don't know what cycle today would be, but assuming she has gone through at least the Hatching stage, I should start seeing some improvement this comming week. It will be interesting to see now what happens with her, She did walk already though and those first steps were recorded on Dec. 29th, the video is here on the forums, I am wondering, just how many people have made the same mistake I have with rb, not many, but there are bound to be a few who have been in the same boat!
  I am glad degers was watching, would have taken awhile to figure out the rest of the problems,
                                                                       RedwoodsMama

[RedwoodsMama]

 Oh, and just for the record, I have saved lots of  her data, by turning her off "properly" by pushing the on off button, as I take her out and about and use that button, and not the taking out battery, But for nightime and extended Resting times, like at night, I pull her battery instead of the on off button, and when she was having the neck problem, I didn't want her to try and curl up with the tweaked neck, so just took out her battery, but I do know she has never " woken up" with the battery in at the "wake up time", so that will be intersteing to see.
                                        RWM

[saratogaspringer]

Wow. This is all very confusing.  Are we just to turn pleo rb  off when finished playing with her?  I am not home for much of the day, and would hate to have her wake up when I am not here.  My pink pleo rb just arrived from Hong Kong yesterday, and I am afraid to open the box.  Is there a video tutorial somewhere on this forum?  Will I do damage to her if I just turn her off with the button? Pulling the battery out when it is working just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I want what is best for her skin, but I don't want to stay in the hatching stage forever either.  Please advise. Thanks!

[bhobbes]

Now I wonder if I simply had a few charges of good luck with Cato walking around all the time/everywhere? He never ate much (maybe a few times) but he did explore a lot and talk.

The first week I had him, I know 2 times he shut himself off after 30 minutes, and then I'd turn him back on and he'd run for another hour and a half or so (give or take depending). So that would have "saved" his progress and the first week I got through about 5-6 charges.

Then come week 2, there was one instance where I went to mute him and he shut off (even though I pressed it for a second at best). So that'd be another save.

And then yesterday he started acting like he was in that hormonal stage again (lots of distress calls and random noises, however, now he's doing ones I haven't heard before). He's still acting like that and I'm shutting him off properly now in case the "battery method" caused the mess up. This behavior started again after I used the reset button, not sure if they're related whatsoever, but throwing it in there.

He's also done that freeze and giggle before he keeps going thing a few times here and there, so not sure if that may have created some "saves" or not.

Now, the 2 weeks that Cato was walking and being highly active (moved around everywhere all the time [and all those living room "loops"], to the point where I actually started monitoring him to make sure he didn't hurt himself lol)  was probably only over a total period of 6 charges. By charges in this context, I mean I would let him go for about 1.5-2hrs and then yank the battery. Coincidence? Possible to have a Pleo RB personality that's more active in the beginning stages?  

I'll start keeping an actual log of things I do and what occurs afterward so that way I have a slightly more "controlled" method/reliable documentation before I start asking questions. So my apologies for some of the details I forgot when I initially commented.

[bhobbes]

Wow. This is all very confusing.  Are we just to turn pleo rb  off when finished playing with her?  I am not home for much of the day, and would hate to have her wake up when I am not here.  My pink pleo rb just arrived from Hong Kong yesterday, and I am afraid to open the box.  Is there a video tutorial somewhere on this forum?  Will I do damage to her if I just turn her off with the button? Pulling the battery out when it is working just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I want what is best for her skin, but I don't want to stay in the hatching stage forever either.  Please advise. Thanks!

I think the original speculation was that the sleep position could be causing the armpit wear. I know some members have determined they don't think it's that but I do not believe we have any official word on that matter yet. I personally don't leave the battery in Cato because I too have been doing the yanking. I can't imagine it's *too* dangerous to do that because it should be no different than unplugging a computer or having a computer lose power without a backup power supply - i.e., you'd lose data as degers pointed out, but shouldn't do any significant damage. However, I'm making assumptions with that without much information to base it on - so don't take it as being worth anything, lol.

I'm not sure what to tell you about what's best for the skin other than potentially pledging like some here have done (and as recommended by Innvo in the manual). If you want to play it safe, I would recommend letting her run and turning her off via the button and then taking the battery out (if it can potentially wake up and start wandering on its own). This would place it in the sleep position, and maybe some other members can comment on ideas or where we stand on what might be causing these issues. The State of your Pleo RB's Skin thread has some observations of members regarding the skin and what may be causing some of the problems. If the battery yanking is confirmed as "safe," you could also always turn her off properly, thereby saving the data, and then put the battery back in to wake her up to a different position and then yank it out. However, you'll want to wait until that is confirmed by someone as ok (and I don't want to advise you to do anything to your Pleo you're not comfortable with).

Anyway, just my thoughts on that matter, maybe some other members can give you better advice (or correct me if I'm wrong) but hope it helps!

[RedwoodsMama]

 Well, I just started the first battery cycle where I will just let her "wear "herself out, she ate her leaf, and played some tug of war, then looked bored, mooed a couple of times and I decided since i am busy, dinner time and all that, to just set some cardboard on the kitchen floor, put her down and let the video catch what ever she does for 47 minutes till it runs out. She cried and got bored after about ten minutes and fell asleep. So I have not turned her off, she is snoring and making cute little talking noises while sleeping and let her do that for awhile till I have time to enteract again, I do have a question.
              While she is in this sleep or Nap mode, does that use up the 2  1/2 hr battery cycle time, or is it only when she is " active". ? Thanks, also I am now recording in a daily diary, everytime she is on a battery cycle and the time, etc, till she shuts down so there is no " guessing" her battery cycle or any other questions.
                                       RWM

[saratogaspringer]

Thanks all!  I am going to open the box and charge the battery and see what happens with her tomorrow. I think, for now, I am going to let her run until I can't watch her, shut her off using the button, then pull the battery so she doesn't get up on her own, wonder around, and get hurt. RWM, I am hoping that baby comes alive for you soon, and that not allowing the data to save is the reason she is not being as active as you would like.   I am not going to worry about the packing position and skin right now, but I will pledge her skin as advised.  I'll post some pictures when I get a chance!

[scaledandtailed]

 
I’d still try the skit that cat pointed out just to rule out any mechanical problems with walking but yeah I think as she’s standing she  has officialy       left the hatching stage. Unfortunately if she’s sleeping but not turned off then she’s still using battery power I’m afraid.  .     .
   
  I can understand why people might not want their pleos going in to sleep position but I have to say though I find it very unlikely that a pleo would just turn it’s self on in the morning    and leap off the shelf. Life like it maybe but toy storey it is not. 
 I know people don’t mean they would literally leap of the shelf. Just that   there’s a concern that they might awaken and get them selves in to difficulty   when people are   not around to do anything about it. However I really don’t think this is a possibility. Once pleo is shut off I’d imagine for safety precautions     if nothing else Pleo remains turned off until you give the command to wake by    manually turning pleo   back on again.  I’m not very technically minded but   
The only way I could see that being even possible is if pleo doesn’t actually turn off when  going to sleep mode when turned on   out of hours  but in to standby mode  and again for safety  reasons and for battery power conservation I really doubt Innvo have done this.    I can’t remember if mines has fallen asleep and turned its self off. I think he might have done once but he never turned himself back on again in the morning and to be honest I never really considered the possibility that he would.   I could be wrong but to be   honest I think there is some real confusion being generated here about the actual function of the noon clock battery. 
  It’s supposed to tell pleo what time of day or night is so that this can  reflect   pleos behaveure and responses   accordingly however I don’t think it does any more than that.  For instance pleo is more active around the middle of the day if you have it set to 12   but I very much doubt this means that pleo wakes up on his own accord around 10AM or any time at all   for that matter. When they say the noon clock helps pleo to know when to be awake I think it rather means he’s fully active and responsive when turned on  at a suitable time according to when the clock is set. not that he literally turns himself  on. Hope that makes sense.  .
 Again I could be    wrong but I’d be really very surprised if pleo did have this function.  .   
Scaly 
 
   

[kat]

I have witnessed both my pleos turn them selves back on.  I have tried to play with my little guys when it was still their night time and all you get from them when you do this is about 5 mins at the most of them interacting with you and then they just go to sleep and will switch themselves off by giving off a beep noise.  When you look at the battery area the green led light is not lit up.  So after a couple of times of turning them back on and having them go to sleep and switch off on me a few minutes later I got frustrated and went and read a book.  I happened to be in the same room as the pleos and I had left them on the floor in the corner thinking I would come back in a couple of hours and play with them when I knew their internal clock would be reaching about 7am for them.  Sure enough at about 7am their time both my little guys just switched back on by themselves and started making noises and moving around.  It surprised me. 
I now never leave the batteries in when I am going out or switching them off for the night.  Also I have noticed that when they switch off with the off button or when the battery runs out of power the pleo will make a beep and then two more beeps.
So I think that 3 beeps means completely switched off and 1 beep means on standby.

[RedwoodsMama]

scaledandtailed,Thanks and you make a good point, I know they are not going to "jump off the shelf", but if they could turn themselves on, I would not want them to walk off the shelf, But I guess they ca'nt do that themselves, and I would not like the idea of them being able to do that. I will do the skit, but still have to buy the micor sd card, In the meantime, I think I will edit the videos I have of her and the foot condition, I have filmed and edit and cut just so you can see the foot thing, where it looks like she can't walk on it or it gives way. If this is normal, then I don't understand why she keeps doing it, and as I stated earlier, she did her first walking on December 29th and will also add that, so I can't see her going back to not being able to walk if she already could. If her foot is injured, she gives no idea of pain, no crying when I touch it etc.
                                 I do understand about the noon clock, hopefully this is not when Pleo is Most active" as that is only 4 hrs into the cycle, if you set it at 8:00 a.m to wake and then leaves 10 hrs left where she is "less active", I would hate to think she is most active at Noon and less active for me when I am more active late afternoon and early evening, I often don't even get to "wake" pleo till after 1:00 p.m or even the evening if it has been a stressful busy day. Now to go edit and upload the comparison of foot problem of Baby.
                                    RWM

[RedwoodsMama]

 Crewella, Thank you, I thought I had read in this forum somewhere that someone had their Pleo Rb turn itself on while they were in the other room! So I guess I will have to make sure the battery is out or I am awake or I may have a Pleo Rb go where it should not! I think a lot of people are going to appreciate you posting that! Off to edit and upload the gosh darn Pleo not walking foot video, cut of course.
                      RWM

[bhobbes]

This is becoming a little too SkyNet for me lol. Hopefully they don't become self-aware.

[RedwoodsMama]

Ok, just to satisfy my curiosity as to what is going on with my baby, and I still do not think it is all related to her not being turned off, as she was walking before she had the " jammed neck" about five days or so ago, She was walking normally as far back as Dec. 29th, and this short outtake from one of her recent videos shows her clearly walking backwards and forward, ( Argyle is the other Pleo in the video.)I had to do a lot of cutting and editing and after about half an hour I just cut it to this part. The second part that follows is not very good quality but it does show if you look closely the foot giving way, kind of collasping as she attempts to walk forward, and then the foot goes back.In the very last part of the second video that shows the problem, at the end you can see the foot drop and go back up, I apoligzie for the quality and will try to get another one, I just wanted to give you an idea of what is going on with her foot,
                     Any comments are appreciated, I am wondering if this is connected to her neck problem in any way,such as a servor or electrical problem in foot, ? tight wires....

                     <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKMkrEvo2NE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKMkrEvo2NE</a>           <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFlAw6xzGg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFlAw6xzGg</a>   
                                   RedwoodsMama

[PWOKristy]

That's cool that they can turn themselves on! I really like that ability that the Pleo can do.

[kat]

It definitely looks to me like there is something strange going on there.  I would try running the skit to see if there is a mechanical problem and then maybe contact Innvo, show them the videos and see what they think. 
It almost looks like she is trying to do the Tada trick and loosing her balance.  It does seem like the foot is kind of giving way.  Very strange.
I really do hope it can be sorted out easily. 
If she can walk using the skit then maybe it is just a phase and it will sort it's self out with time?  They certainly seem to go through different emotional phases so maybe this could be something similar?  Or then again it could be a more serious issue.  I would test it then talk to Innvo.
Wishing you luck and thinking of you.  Sending hugs your way.
Kat

[degers]

Well this is a confusing mess you've all got yourselves in to!  I'm staying out of this now!

[scaledandtailed]

 
  Can’t dispute cat’s account.  But I still  just can’t get my head around the idea 
Oh I wasn’t being serious about pleos jumping off shelves I was just trying to make light of it though I wasn’t attempting mockery either. 
 . 
As far as I understand it the time pleo is most active or the optimum is around the hours of what ever time you’ve chosen to be the clocks reference point. I think   it takes that reference point to mean the middle of the day for pleo not the beginning of the waking day if that makes sense. The middle of the day according to    pleo can be anytime you wish to make it depending on when you set the noon clock.        . I’m guessing pleo will   remain alert and relatively active for a good few hours either side. So for example if you press the noon  button around 12 noon pleo will   probably be active between  9 in the morning to 9  in the evening but that is  just an estimate I don’t know for certain how long pleo’s  waking span is. Guessing it must be around 12 to 14 hours but that’s just a guess. Anyway pleo will   probably be most alert around 11AM to around five where pleo will   probably want feeding. Don’t know if pleos have breakfast or lunch lol.  However this is just guess work someone who’s had there pleo longer than I would be better able to tell. If you want baby to be alert later on in the evening simply set her clock around five and that should give you most of the evening. Might require a little trial and error to get the best time for you though
      Assuming you’ve already ruled out mechanical faults. Have you tried feeding her any of the medicine leaves to see what her reaction is anyway? If she turns her head away and makes a sort of grumbling sound that sounds   a lot like no then she doesn’t need meds. However if she is just very reluctant to open her mouth   but  doesn’t actually turn her head away to one side  from the proffered food then  this may be an  indication that she is requiring meds. Pleo won’t eat meds if it doesn’t need them but will although reluctantly if it does when they are offered. 
   If it’s not mechanical and not down to an ailment then we need to look at a behaviour issue. 
 Try not to worry too much we will get to the bottom of it sooner or later. 
 
Hope this helps 
 Scaly
 

[scaledandtailed]

  Lol you’re telling me bhobbes. 
  Suppose I should have started getting really worried after reading the following under the companion guide.
 “After a thorough study of PLEO at Innvo Labs, our scientists were able
to isolate and repair a gene which allowed us to rebuild PLEO’s physical
and mental systems. PLEO is reborn as PLEO rb!” 
 
 Not sure what I feel about pleo waking up on its own tbh not sure if I like the idea or not really. I mean  yeah realism is good  but  if they really do wake up and I’m still struggling to get my head around the notion btw I’m going to need to start storing my deno in  an animal crate to keep him out of harms way. 
 The way things are going by the next Jen pleos where probably going to have to be wipeing up dino mess   from the carpet.
 I don’t even want to consider the whole self awareness thing. Got horrible visions of pleo making that giggling sound as it curves its neck menisingley around the shower curten. lol 
 
  In regards to beeps When ever I switch off my pleo using the switch of course I get 2 beeps. the time he was awake for five mins and shut he off there was 2 beeps as well I think. I managed to work out that the    Battery running out is 2 beeps then a small pause and another beep. Never had one beep though so maybe he didn’t switch himself off after. 
   
Scaly 
 
   
 

 
 the companion guide. 
   
 


This is becoming a little too SkyNet for me lol. Hopefully they don't become self-aware.

[bhobbes]

To Kat: Elliott (the 2009 Pleo) would always "fall/lose balance" when he did the ta-da trick on his left (or maybe it was his right) side. However, with his right side (or maybe it was his left) he would do it correctly with no balance issues at all. I always had him in high-step mode (because my carpet really made him "stick" so you get that gear clicking sound - no dangers or problems with him walking, it's just something he always did from day one, I think it was Crewella who helped explain to me that's normal from that part of the body). He'd also get kind of lopsided every now and then when he'd walk and sometimes tip himself over (Cato does this too but has less issues walking on my carpet, though he still gets a few clicks here and there when he gets stuck but he gets himself out of it easier than Elliott did so I don't usually have to go and pick him up [mostly because that sound just instinctively makes me worry, but he always did it and always functioned fine]).

That's one of the reasons I like the low volume (vs. the mute) because I went to take a shower once and left Cato running and he had managed to lose balance/fall over (not off anything, he was just walking on the floor) and was sitting there crying the whole time I was in the shower. I won't lie - I kind of laughed.

However, with that said, my apartment is on the down side of a "hill" - for instance, when I cook something with olive oil in a frying pan, it all slides to the "bottom" of the pan. Or, for instance, one of my shelving units does not have a magnet to "latch" the door on it, and if it faces a certain direction the door swings open and won't shut because of said slope. It's kind of funny and forces some creativity in terms of laying things out, lol. So maybe that has to do with my Pleos balance issues.

To Scaly: Haha. I literally LOL'd at the giggle comment with its head peeking around the shower curtain. Brutus (my male cockatiel) mimics my laugh, except it sounds more psychopathic and bird like. And he loves to do it late at night and early in the morning, and every time I want to jump out of bed and look for some little doll with a butcher knife about to attack me haha (think Chuckie, except giggly).

[RedwoodsMama]

Hi Kat, thanks for watching the video, I know it was not my usual quality video, but I had about 7 minutes of video with one or two attempts and got tired of cutting and trying to piece just the footsteps together and then just played the orginal video with my taping the part where the foot gave way, that is why it looks so strange. I am glad that someone agrees that it does not look normal, I may just post the orginal video,(there are about four to choose from ) and run one till the foot part then cut it and post that so it is a clearer picture of what is going on.I just wanted to make sure it was not "my imagination and that this was Normal", when I have seen her walk normally before.
                    Scaled and tailed I do remember trying the rock salt, but I don't remember using the mint leaf before, right after she hurt her neck, and she did not want it, and I just forced her to use it, but there was no pain reaction when I touched her neck or her foot or leg. But I can try it , ( the rock salt and Mint leaf ) again. I am just glad someone else got to see exactly what I have been talking about, and it is not my imagination, and should have NOTHING to do with turning her battery off and on, I have since degers pointed out, only taken the battery out after she turned herself off and a complete battery cycle,
                       I guess the other thing I will do is to get a Micro SD card this afternoon, and try the skit. Is there any precautions or anything I need to know about using these SD cards, since they are all new to Pleo Rb? Ok, thanks and I will post the video or results later today.I do not want to risk hurting her any further by doing anything not reccomended in the book, And degers, thanks for your input too,!   At least you know not everything I do or " think I see", is all in my inmagination. regarding Pleo RB.  Perhaps a Bigfoot stepped on her foot .( Playing with her while I was not looking.)
                                                                     RedwoodsMama