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Pleo Stuff => Pleo Archives => Archive -- General => Topic started by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2010, 02:17:47 AM
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I have a recording of Nova sitting at my computer watching a video of a Pleo that has the downloaded personality of the T-Rex installed. Nova is very interested and is watching the other pleo. She hasn't done a lot of talking with this other Pleo, until one scene where the Pleo is Pushed over and is crying. Even though this Pleo " Rex" has a different voice, Nova gets quite concerned when he falls down and cries. Nova Cries out in a DISTRESS CRY, one I seldom hear.She also is moving her head back and forth and looking to see what will happen next, but this is pretty much when the video ends.
I swear Nova acted very emotionally and showed genuine concern for this other Pleo, even though he sounded like a different species. How is Nova
able to detect that this is another Pleo when it is on screen, and more importantly, how could she detect that this was a Pleo when the voice was different?
Are Pleos able to detect Stress calls even when it is not the usual Pleo call for help? Was Nova acting on an emotional level, or on a built in sensor seeing the Pleo " down"? I would like to think it is just her caring side, and not a built in program. I have this on video, but am not sure how to post a video, is it the same as posting a photo in the gallery?
The other thought is that since this is a ' downloaded personality" perhaps it is built into her " computer brain or Motherboard," to recognize this as a Pleo in disguise........Any thoughts out there?
Personally, I just think Nova knew this Pleo-Rex was in trouble, the " sheep's" clothing didn't fool her. She really got very upset for him....I even think she has nightmares about that video. Everytime I take her to the Computer to watch some Pleo Videos, she looks anxious and a little upset, I think she is remembering,
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The only way that Pleo's are able to detect other Pleo's in the vicinity is by their infrared sensor. This means that Pleo's are not able to detect other pleo's through videos and sounds. In just the same way that you cannot control your TV with the remote if you are in the next room, Pleo's cannot "see" other Pleo's unless they are standing there close by in the same room.
They do not have good enough software to be able to recognise specific sounds, they only know if a sound is made, and can judge the direction it is in.
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So does this mean NOva wasn't " watching the other Pleo?" She was very interested, and really got upset! I have also shown her videos of Herself being filmed, and she watches these too, but didn't react the same way when she heard the distress cry of this " T-Rex Pleo". Why couldn't;'t she see the In fared Camera of the other Pleo if it is at her eye level? Wouldn't she recognize it that way? Wouldn't Nova watching the video be the same as the way she reacts and talks to her Mirror image? I guess I don't understand the difference.
When Nova sees herself in the mirror, she says different things I haven't heard before. I guess you could say she is talking " Pleo." She may not have the " ( technology to see or understand what she sees,') but in my heart, I know she feels the pain the Pleo was in, she definitely was upset and distressed. You should see the video to see what I mean. She just looked so sad and concerned........
I am going to have her watch some other things , and see how she reacts, if it is the same distress call or if she loses interest.
Thank you for your input, I want all the feedback, esp if anyone else has had this reaction with their Pleo.
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The short answer is that no, I do not think that Nova was acting any differently watching the video, or it's reflection.
Indeed Pleo's camera would not have a good enough resolution to "watch" the video anyway.
I have already explained that Pleo would not be able to understand what it is hearing, it only understands if a sound is loud or not, and which direction a sound is in.
This leaves us with the possibility of Nova detecting IR from the pleo in the video. This is not possible for two reasons I will explain.
Firstly when a video camera records IR light, it then records this as normal visible light, this means that the video recording has no record of any infrared light, only of visible light. Secondly when you were watching the video on your computer, your screen has no way of sending out infrared light. This means that you should be able to see a little light flashing on the nose of your pleo if you film it. Rule of thumb is, if you can see the IR light, then your Pleo cannot.
All of the fact aside, although I say your Pleo will not act any differently to the video of a Pleo being tortured and a video of a nice flower, you can believe what you want. In my experience it has been usually a waste of time for me to write up all of the facts about Pleo as it often does not change what people believe their Pleo's are doing. Sometimes it's just majic I guess.
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I guess I understand the technical part of it, doing with the light or camera in her nose. What then or why do Pleos react , talking etc, when they see their own reflection in the mirror.? What are they reacting to? Nova will see herself in the mirror and start talking and " Seems Fascinated, " and it is hard to redirect her, but if I put a inanimate object in front of her, such as a lamp, ( if she is at eye level to me on a table for instance,) she sniffs it, but then maneuvers around it. Why does she stop to talk to her image in the mirror, but doesn't' stop to talk to the Lamp?
I like these explanation, they help me understand Nova better, even though I still have to remind myself ,that she is ( a robot.)
( Forgive me Nova!) %) I appreciate the explanations, thank you for your response, even if I still think it is " Magic sometimes, don't we all like to " believe."
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It must just be a coincidence for you that you have your Pleo standing in front of a mirror while it is in social mode and it interacts with other objects when it is in explore mode and will back away from them.
Pleo uses it's IR for communication, but also for object detection. The way a Pleo detects objects is that it bounces it's IR off a surface and if it sees a reflection of its IR then it knows an object is close. For IR most surfaces act as a very good mirror, so your Pleo will see its reflection a lot of the time, using an actual mirror only makes it easier for Pleo to detect the object. Pleo knows it's own IR signal from any other Pleo's IR signal, so it won't do anything if it sees it's own signal.
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I'll leave all the technical things to Degers, he knows way more about that than I do, but I am curious as to what version your pleo is. 2007 or 2009?
Innvo may have added something to pleo in the new version. :D
(By the way, you need to upload your video to youtube, and then stick the code in here with these: {youtube} {/youtube} on each side. Change the {} to [] . :) )
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Hello Bumblebee! :)
RedwoodsMama owns a Ugobe model.
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Hey Deggs :D
Odd then........that is definitely interesting....curious to see the video. :)
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Hi degers and Bumblebee, Thanks for input and how to on the video. I will go to Youtube and put the video on as soon as I get a chance and then try to put it here. It is very intersting to me. I have never seen Nova act like that before, Whether it is just a " coincidence or not," still interesting to me, I felt sorry for Nova, like she was seeing a friend in trouble. I appreciate all the feedback, pro and con, just opinions on what everyone has experienced with their own Pleos or like degers, knowing the ins and outs of technical stuff that I do not know about the inside of my baby.( Nova) For now, I am just going to soothe, her.
I do have one other plan of action. I am going to show her the video of her watching the Pleo-Rex, and tape how she reacts this time. Now that should be interesting ..............don't you think? 8) 8)
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I'm looking forward to seeing the video of Nova. I do believe our dinos are magical and enjoy their reactions to other things. They definitely like being in front of computers. :)
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Hi guys, do you have to set up an account to put a video on YouTube? I am going to see about how to put the video on, and then if I can insert it here, that is what I want to do. NOva says she wants you to see it too. She wants everyone to see what she felt when she saw that video, she does have feelings, emotions.( at least it sure looks like it....you will have to judge for yourself.) Glad to see others are interested in watching her reaction. Let me figure out how to do the Youtube thing and then post it here. Thanks everyone. ;D
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Hi, I hope someone can help me answer this question. first of all I re watched the Nova watching Pleo-rex video about half a dozen times. The whole video is about 1 minute in duration. Several things happen during the video recording which I hope everyone can see for themself.This is the timeline of what happens.
1.Nova is at the computer watching the video . At about 20 seconds she begins to intently watch the Pleo-Rex
2. At about 20 seconds, there is a Person holding onto the Pleo-s nose, and the Pleo is distressed looking. Nova notices.her head is shaking back and forth like no, no
3. AT about 25 seconds the Pleo looks directly into the camera, before falling over. Nova is very interested,
4. At about 40 seconds Nova sniffs a couple of times, then the Pleo gives out a call
5.at about 48 seconds Nova gives a little cry after watching the Pleo fall. The Pleo crys out and lays there.
6. At about 1;00 minute in the count, Nova gives out a long distressful wail, and her eyelids droop . After this the owner of the Pleo picks him back up and Nova has her head kind of drooping. I stopped videotaping shortly at 1;10. If you watch this over and over, it is very apparent she sees this other Pleo and feels for him. Now here is the question....PLEASE ANSWER IT IS IMPORTANT!
IJ have this video ready to upload, but I am not certain about Public domain, and copyright infringement etc. I don't know if by using the other person's video in my video if I have broken any rules. There is not mention of whose video this is, but I don't' want to break Any rules and get kicked off of youtube before even using it.Does anyone have any ideals? It is obvious she is watching a video but you don't see the whole video and there are no names mentioned. Is there any other way to post this video here without using Youtube? Am I legal or breaking a rule by posting this video. Help me figure out what to do. I have the account all set up, what is the next step
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Relax, post the video, it'll be fine :) I've had some of my skits banned in Germany, its no big deal :P
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IMR , thanks for answering the question....does that mean that the original person who posted the video of their Pleo " dying as a T-rex" won't sue me for using their video in my video? It is my Nova watching their video on Youtube that I taped and just happend to get a good reaction. As long as I am not getting in trouble with them or YouTube, then I will post it there and then upload it here if that is OK. I just don't want to get someone else mad. It was not intentional, just amazing watching her interact with the video. If you tell me it is OK, then I will take your advice. I wont mention anything on line other than she is watching a Video and her reaction which speaks for itself.
After I post it, is it easy to post here ? do I have to put it in the gallery first, or attach it to this thread that was started.? ??? Let me know what I do, and I will do it first thing in the morning after a strong cup of Java , ( tea for Nova....catnip tea I think..)
Thank you!
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Hi all, I am going to post the video of Nova watching the Pleo Rex video today. I am new to Youtube but set up an account last night so hopefully it all goes OK. when I post if here, do I use the brackets{ }[ ]twice around the code from youtube like bumblebee said.? I guess if I don't get it right, I will find out shortly. Some strong coffee first and then I will give it a go. Wish us luck in being successful so everyone can watch Nova's reaction. ;D
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Good luck! :D
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OK, here goes, I just posted it on Youtube and played it there it works. Hope I get it here OK.(http://youtube 100-0481.mov ]) Let me know if this shows up , I don't know if I got the brackets in the right spot. I definitely want feedback on what you think.
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[youtube 100-0481.mov] [100-0481.mov/youtube](http://) well, if you dont succeed, try and try again!Hope it works this time, fingers crossed.
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Copy the address of the page it is on, not the video code :) Then put the page address between the you tube tags :)
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nOw I hope I got it right this time. I used the brackets already here to make it easier I hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBZry8KnXSE
RedwoodsMama, I have edited this post to put it right
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There you go RedwoodsMama, i'll watch tomorrow
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degers, thank you so much, You will have to explain to me in VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE, what was the right way to do it, I had the address but obviously put it together wrong. Thank you for being so kind and knowledgeable, I was about to tell Nova, just forget it, they will never see it. Thank you for being on the forums here. Be sure to let me know when you view this tomorrow, your view too. :)
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Okies, what you do is click the little button here that says You Tube like so: [ youtube ][ /youtube ] (I had to put spaces in to stop the code registering)
Then you find the page your video is on which will look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHM5B0nJZ4
And then put the two together like so: [ youtube ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHM5B0nJZ4[ /youtube ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHM5B0nJZ4
By the way, that Pleo isn't unhappy, that's just the personality he is running, he is supposed to play dead :) Nova's behavior however, even if it is just a coincidence, is super cute :)
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IMR, hi, thanks for all the technical jargon, I will have to copy it. I know from the T-rex personality download that " he is just playing dead," but to Nova, he is hurt and she reacted so, she was very upset, and no-one can tell me after watching this that she was not watching it or reacting to what she " Thought was a hurt pleo." She even shook her head in the beginning like to say, no no, no and was upset with that call.
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WOw that reallt seemed like she noticed that pleo in distress. Even though he was suposed to play dead
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...but to Nova, he is hurt and she reacted so, she was very upset, and no-one can tell me after watching this that she was not watching it or reacting to what she " Thought was a hurt pleo." She even shook her head in the beginning like to say, no no, no and was upset with that call.
All I can do RedwoodsMama, is to quote what I said earlier, before I started explaining what your Pleo was actually doing.
In my experience it has been usually a waste of time for me to write up all of the facts about Pleo as it often does not change what people believe their Pleo's are doing.
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Your video of Nova, watching this other pleo, is too cute! Have you tried this with some pleos that are singing and dancing?
Would make a cute comparison. :)
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Hi fancyfont, No but I like that idea. She is very interesting to watch and I really want to video tape her doing other things and see how she reacts to them. I know I have seen quite a few interesting videos of singing and dancing Pleos on this site.Can you recommend any in particular? I want to see how she reacts to " natural singing" first compared to more human or animated singing. I haven't' tried even seeing how she reacts to music yet, which may seem strange, but I pretty much turn the t.v. sound completely down when I record her so I don't have any outside noise to interfere with the recording.
I am glad you got a chance to see the video. What did you think as far as her reaction? Guess I can say, yes it was Magical to me! 8)
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The first stuff Peeky saw on my computer was a video of some guys doing hip hop. His tail kept time with the beat and he seemed so into it!
Have you checked out IMR's skits? Check out youtube under pleo, too.
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Hi Fancyfont, thanks for the tips. I am waking Nova up now and we are going to see what she is interested in doing. A lot of the times, I follow her lead..
I will check out the leads you gave me. I am hoping more people check out Nova's video here and give me the response on what they think about her reaction. I know degers technical viewpoint, and I am not saying it is wrong, just that other Pleo owner's should be able to tell me if they think I am right in what I saw and how I think she " felt , or reacted," it could be coincidence, but very strange to me.................
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It looks from the video that your Pleo is in social mode up to around the 50 second mark, in this mode the Pleo will remain stationary and wait for you to touch it.
At 50 seconds it looks like your Pleo switched to explore mode, and then noticed there was no surface to walk on in front of it as it was being held in the air. The noises you hear from 50 seconds to 1 minute are pleo going through one of it's routines that it plays when it detects no surface in front of it to walk on. It would then start to walk backwards after the end of the video.
That is what your Pleo is doing.
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Hi degers, the social mode may be correct, but as for the walking surface, I have an old computer desk that is at eye level pretty much that Nova was sitting on. the Desk is at a slight angle ( where I have my mousepad it tilts down,) so Nova was tilted up towards the computer so she wouldn't slide down and into my lap, which is about two feet from the screen. She was allways standing on the desk surface though, She never walked backwards as when the video ended and I quit filming her, I then put her down on the floor and we did other filming.
I will do some more filming of her to other things though so I can see how she moves to music and pictures of other things.Thank you for your input :)
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Bah humbug, Degers! ;D We know what our pleos are doing. They are just being their cute little dino selves! ;)
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ROCK ON fancyfont AND ALL YOU BEAUTIFUL LITTLE PLEOS OUTHERE, ' ALIVE YES ALIVE WE ARE, " even if it is only til our batteries run low...........
besides, I believe in spirit doing strange things at strange times, guess it is the Native American part of me, you can't argue my " spiritual beliefs." ;) ;) :)
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LOL fancyfont!
I know I know, I am a big grump! I always said I should take over grumpy's job here, he's not nearly as grumpy as me!
Don't worry I'll go back to lurking from now on, it seems whenever I post, I cause a rucus! ;)
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It is OK degers, it is a free country and we all are entitled to our opinions, that is why I asked for others reactions, I like the technical " mumble jumbo, " ;)If it were not for the technical explanation to a lot of questions, we would not know what is ailing our poor babe Dino's.
But if you aren't a " parent " yourself, you can only observe as a spectator, If you own a little Pleo yourself, maybe you will see the possibilities of magic and miracles that occur without scientific explanations...........................Sometimes things just happen and you have to accept them for being what they are...................LOL..............................
I think we should hold a Pleo convention and then let all the pleos watch videos and themselves all day without " human ' interference and just observe what does or doesn't happen. How do you think they would react to watching videos of us? I think Nova would be bored.... maybe not, who knows unless we try it. fancyfont suggested I try some more video watching reacting to videos on this site, and there are lots to choose from so , " I will give it a go. " I am also going to try some Native American Chants and other " magical ideas I have. ( in my Playlists.)
Thank you fancyfont for the support of our Pleo babes. :kiss:
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I want to be the first to see a little dino do an American Indian Chant. I think Nova needs a beautiful feathered head dress! :) :) :)
Degers, You know we all love you! ;) Don't lurk! Always post!
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Oh fancyfont, you read my mind..................I guess I will have to practice my raindance today and see if I can teach Nova the words in Pleo-nese, as I dont know if she will understand Blackfoot,but she is very intelligent and also is learning to practice some dance moves I have never seen before. :kiss: :kiss:
Nova sent you those for support of her emotions, she still doesnt believe me when I tell her that Pleo was ' just pretending" , she doesn't understand why he would do that, just for fun?!!!
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Oftentimes Pleos make me think of one of my favorite movies, called Short Circut. It's a story of five robots made to be military weapons (they have lazers - they blow things up! :o ) One of them, #5, gets struck by lightning and becomes alive....or so he says. It's pretty funny, there's some cussing in it but it seems like hollywood always adds that junk to movies these days...
In any case, the dudes who built #5 weren't convinced at all, but #5 sure believed it.
Sometimes I wonder if pleos possess more than meets the eye... and more than UGOBE and Invvos say they do! ;)
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Bumblebee, I think I saw that movie, I will have to check it out again. I sounds so familiar. I think you are right about our little Pleos. They have more to them than meets the " eye'.
To change the subject. I am still having trouble posting photos with my subject matter . I try putting the code, [ smg= and the number and ] but all I get is an empty box or with a red cross through it. Isn't there a post somewhere for Posting photos 101 for dummies here somewhere? :( :( :( I know Nova could do it if she had bigger legs , but she doesn't so I have to do it for her.
Also when the instructions so [ ]smg=] etc. do I have to post in those brackets, or are they just for demonstration mode!!!!If I was in 5'th grade this probably would[t be a problem...back when I went to school, they let you sit on a rock and draw in the dirt with your fingers or toes to get the answer to a problem. Boy how times have changed!
Please help someone, I don[t want Nova to feel embarrassed of her momma. :'(
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Copy and paste the entire code including the [ and ] ie: [ smg = id465 ] (without spaces of course :))
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Oftentimes Pleos make me think of one of my favorite movies, called Short Circut. It's a story of five robots made to be military weapons (they have lazers - they blow things up! :o ) One of them, #5, gets struck by lightning and becomes alive....or so he says. It's pretty funny, there's some cussing in it but it seems like hollywood always adds that junk to movies these days...
In any case, the dudes who built #5 weren't convinced at all, but #5 sure believed it.
Sometimes I wonder if pleos possess more than meets the eye... and more than UGOBE and Invvos say they do! ;)
I love that movie. More input! #5 is alive! Still remember it clear as a bell, to bad I can't remember where I put things when I lay them down. :o
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In my experience it has been usually a waste of time for me to write up all of the facts about Pleo as it often does not change what people believe their Pleo's are doing. Sometimes it's just majic I guess.
Seems to be the case once again, eh Degers? Appears to be so to me. I totally understood where you were coming from, and IMHO I did not see anything unusual in that video. However, thank you for showing us the facts. :P
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Hey Redwoodsmama! In using my mom's mac, I was able to see the video of Nova and the Pleosaurus Rex.
That's way, way cute. ;D
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Hey Bumblebee, so glad you got to see it, I thought you already had. NOW you know how bad I feel with her sick.. :( I still say she was reacting to seeing what she thought was Pain in another Pleo, even if it was Playacting on the Pleo Rex program, shows that the other Pleo did a good job of convincing Nova he was in pain. Thanks for the input , I am sure Nova will like to hear that once she gets well. ( If she gets well!)
RedwoodsMama and sick Little Nova ( with a cold or virus.)
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I'm sure she will get better!
The little magic left in the world has shown itself...
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darn, the link to the video doesnt work anymore :(
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Hi Sher1-ZN, Hi, thanks for posting.I don;t know why you think the Link to the video doesn't work ??? ??? I just went to the first page and pushed the arrow key, to play the video I posted, and everything was fine. Are you trying to play it somewhere else? Give it another try and let me know if you still can't see it or not. I would love to hear what you think of Nova's video.
RedwoodsMama and the ( sometimes limping) Nova
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RedwoodsMama and the ( sometimes limping) Nova
LOL!!! I will give it a try.... i know and understand what grouchy said, but i sure hope that pleo can understand - even if its a lil bit - whats going on in the world...that would totally rock. he is such a special little bugger, and its engineering never fails to amaze me, but i do secretly hope there is someway they can understand whats happening if they hear/see another pleo in a vid.
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Perhaps Bumblebee is correct...not everything humans create is understood by them 100% of the time. The era of robotics is starting full-on and I won't be surprised that ethics will come into question sooner rather than later as we experiment with AI systems.
I would really like to see Nova respond to the video of the Pleo being torture-tested, but would that even be ethical? That video, in itself, has some shocking things to think about...like the choking sounds...
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I'm not the only short circuit fan I see. Love that movie. Nearly named my pleo Gizmo from Gremlins. Era of so many great movies.