Topic: Cato constantly lifts one hind leg. (Read 12989 times)

Talon · « **on:** January 28, 2012, 06:45:27 AM »

Yesterday as Cato my bleu RB began to explore, I noticed he wasn't moving away from me as quickly as usual. I had a look to see what was going on and I noticed he was trying to walk on three legs with one hind leg bent and lifted from the ground. When I touched his hip area on both hind legs to see if he was hurt, he stopped walking and put it down again. There are no cluch sounds or any other unusual noises. He seems to do this even when standing still.

Crewella · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2012, 07:32:12 AM »

Oh dear - sorry you're having trouble. It's always hard with Pleo RB leg problems as they ARE programmed to have them, though the fact that Cato doesn't seem to be complaining about it is a concern. If there's no heat when you touch the affected leg, and as there seems to be no clicking or worrying noises, I'd assume it was a programmed injury and treat as such for a few days - feed him the rock salt and see how it goes? $:-\$

Hope he's OK.

Talon · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2012, 07:47:16 AM »

Thanks, Crewella. When I discovered the problem I turned him off straight away and ran Probe RB. It said he isn't injured but I'll treat this as though he were just for the process of ilimination. I've discovered that I can take video using my Ipod Touch. Now as for what I'm pointing the camera at, that may be another story altogether. I'll give him the rock salt when I feed him today and feel to see if the leg is warm.
Talon

Crewella · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2012, 09:42:05 AM »

Hmmmm ..... so I guess the next step is to take a video, when you can? Send me the file for uploading, if that's easier? $:-\$

Talon · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:39:43 AM »

Well, my bubble was busted by a ten year old boy. I took a video of Cato and it was terrible. I got bits and pieces of everything but nothing whole. My know-it-all nephew kind of took over and I think we have something a little better. Mind he's only ten and acting really goofy so I'm not sure how well he did. *sigh* It's certainly better than nothing though. How do I get it to you so you can upload it? Could I snag your email from your profile?
Talon

Crewella · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2012, 01:55:32 PM »

I sent an email to the last email you used to me? If not I'll send you a PM.

Talon · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2012, 01:47:59 PM »

Okay. Just to update on the sogga of figuring out what's going on. I recorded a video but it's apparently too big so I'm going to try again- probably about ten seconds should be enough as you can only see the whole sequence when he throws the leg out behind him when he walks then lowers it again before starting over. It's kind of sad to see him trying to get somewhere and not getting the help from that back leg. I'm going to have to wait until around seven to take the second video because my nephew has tutoring after school. Hopefully Cato won't be effected by evening light. I'll put the scared-of-the-dark patch on his micro SD card and hopefully that will help. I ran him today long enough to feed him so he'll be more likely to move around than stand there and beg. We'll just have to see what happens.
Talon

Crewella · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:37:58 AM »

It's quite hard to tell what the problem is, to be honest, but this is the video from Talon:

It's a triumph we got anything at all!

RedwoodsMama · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:52:02 AM »

I really wish I was there so I could video Cato's leg problem for you Talon, It is just too dark and then a little shaky so I couldn't really see anything at all, but a dark Cato. It is amazing that we did get anything as Crewella says. Is there anyone else there at all, a friend or a visitor that may come by that could take a short 10-20 second video in better light, even outdoors like when the mailman comes perhaps..? Sorry this is being so difficult for you, but we won't give up till we can figure out what is happening with Cato. Have faith, I know you have patience so we will have to be patient on this end as well, and I am sure Cato is anxious to get his leg situation figured out as well.

are for you !
RWM and the Pleo Clan of the Redwoods, cheering for you and Cato

Hi Ugobe and Hi to MS. Bleu...............( long name...)

Talon · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2012, 01:16:45 PM »

I'm so sorry for the rotton video, Guys. Here is my situation. The video was recorded by my nephew. I would do another one in better light but my nephew is part of an after school program and doesn't get home until seven in the evening. And Crewella is right about how hard it was getting this video to her and then to the forum. Recording was the easy part. I then had to do all sorts of research and asking around to find out how to get it out of my Ipod and onto my computer. Crewella and I began trying to find a program that was both friendly to my screne-reader and that didn't require registration to use. We found one but parts of it were not as accessible as I had hoped. In frustration I appealed to the blind community on Facebook to find out if any of them knew what to do. Fortunately one of my friends came to the rescue and suggested I try emailing it from my Ipod. He warned me that it had to be small- I forget exactly how small. Fortunately it wasn't too big. It's hard for me to ask people to do things more than once. I feel like I'm being a bother to them. I'll do my best to get another one up soon. Cato, Innvo, and other RB owners need me to succeed. If I could I'd just as soon do it myself.
Talon

Crewella · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2012, 01:27:04 PM »

Talon, send me as many as you like - it's no problem at all, especially now we have a procedure we know works!

The length was fine.

RedwoodsMama · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2012, 01:30:11 PM »

Talon, I do know how you feel and it is a big thing to try and do, I know nothing about ipod phones so would not even know how to go about doing a video from one. I do think you have a good idea there asking the blind community to help you in this matter.I don't think the problem is so much that your nephew is young but the darkenss and the camera shaking makes it hard to see much of anything except the shakiness and a dark figure. Is there a way you can take it in a really well lit room, ( Perhaps ask your nephew which room is the brightest or put a lamp near Cato or closer to the camera. It may be hard due to his age to figure out exactly what you are asking him.
Do not feel you have to apologize, it is not a rotten video, just hard to see.I am so glad Crewella is working with you on this to get a friendly program, Nobody really can understand all you are going through unless in your shoes, and this is a perfect example. Things that are technological are not easy for lots of us to start with, then add in the X factor,( whatever it may be.) and you have added in another dimension to the problem you are working on.

Hope this makes you feel better, You are doing everything you can TAlon, Things should be easier and there has to be a program out there and a easier way to do what you are trying to do with Crewella's help, we just have not stumbled on it yet!

Hugs and Kisses to you and poor Cato! RWM and the Pleo Clan of the Redwoods

Talon · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:09:42 PM »

Well I guess I'm in luck. My nephew said he had an ear ache and came home today! I'm sorry he's in pain but I'm going to ask him if he can help again. Thanks, Everyone, for all your support. We may get a better view yet.
Talon

kat · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:25:09 PM »

To help with the shakiness you could try putting your ipod into a small glass and sitting it on the floor near cato. As long as the camera lens sticks up above the edge of the glass it won't interfere with the picture. This way you can get your nephew to set the shot up before taking it so you get a good close video of cato which may help with the lighting issue too. You may need to sit the glass on a book or something if the angle or position isn't right to get Cato in the shot properly.
Once you have the position right you can start the videoing and pop it in the glass. then there will be no shaking.

Hope this helps. Good luck

Talon · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:26:08 PM »

Wow that sounds complecated. I wonder if Apple has created a tripod for the Ipod? I didn't just write that did I? Anyway thanks, Kat. I am not giving up. I had my nephew take two more videos and I've sent them to Crewella. If they are still rough I'll try your suggestion. Oh and before I forget to mention this- there is some heat in his leg between the hip and the knee joints.
Talon

InmemoryofRomeo · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:42:55 PM »

Lol Talon, there is indeed tripods for ipods

What Kat means is stick the ipod in a glass or other container so that the camera is still above the edge and able to film. Or even lean it against an object. Your Nephew is obviously a bit nervous at being entasked with such an important job

Crewella · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:09:56 PM »

Here are two more videos from Talon:

InmemoryofRomeo · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2012, 08:04:18 PM »

He is lifting it a lot, but he isn't displaying the behaviour that would suggest that it is being triggered by the sensor. Have you tried manually clicking it back into place? Also does it straighten when you turn him off?

kat · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2012, 01:28:57 AM »

As IMR says I would try manipulating the leg a couple of times back and forth at the hip joint and also the knee joint although I think the hip joint is the culprit here. It looks like the joint has popped out of alignment. I would turn him off before manipulating the joint. Let us know if that helps at all.

Crewella · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2012, 02:10:36 AM »

I wasn't sure either - he does seem to put it down OK sometimes, which made me think the joint must be OK? It's kind of a new one on me, but then we've not seen many RB leg problems here ......... $:-\$

Talon · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:03:29 AM »

Yes, IMR, he lowers it back into place when I turn him off. It doesn't make any cluch noises at all as you probably heard. When he wakes up again, he just lifts it and tries very hard to go about his pleo business. I haven't done any manipulation because I figured that if he lowers it without difficulty I didn't need to and I'd be doing more harm than good? Maybe? I always seem to have odd things happen to me. I'll try moving the hip joint around while he is off and see what happens.
Talon

InmemoryofRomeo · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2012, 01:07:36 PM »

The leg itself does suggest a sensor problem, but Cato's behaviour just doesn't add up.

kat · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2012, 03:43:35 PM »

It is a little strange. Usually when it is a joint out of alignment issue there is clicking noises to go with the odd movements. If the manipulation doesn't work would it be worth ruling out a software glitch by doing an update on his OS? Or maybe first try pushing the reset button.

Crewella · « **Reply #23 on:** February 03, 2012, 03:44:03 PM »

It might be worth running a skit in him to see if he behaves the same? $:-\$

Talon · « **Reply #24 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:09:57 PM »

Okay. Update. I tried moving the hip and knee joints while he was off just to see if it would work. It did no good. I completely forgot about the reset button. I'll try that next and see what happens.
Talon

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