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Title: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 05, 2015, 03:59:20 PM
Ok  haven't been on the forums for YEARS.
I just bought my second pleo 2 days ago and decided to check out the forum again.

Holy crap people. The skin is STILL a problem?
I told you all the solution years ago and my 6 year old pleo has NO holes or paint rubbing off. I was so disgusted by the reaction and distrust i received on these forums that I left and haven't been back in years.
(BTW I'm the one who saved many of the programs for pleo including dinomite and others for this website to use.)

I use Gibbs brand penetrant and my pleo from 2007 still works flawlessly.
Members at the time were not sure and never tried it or trusted me and all these years later you guys are still having problems. (Shaking my head)
C'mon. Look up my previous posts on the subject and read for your self how to apply it or keep complaining  about the rips, holes and paint peel for years to come....
For gods sake, somebody trust me on this.


P.S. Big shout out to mweed & grumpy for being so awesome back in the day. I hope you guys are still here on the forums. If you are hit me up in pm and we can catch up...
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Talon on March 05, 2015, 04:42:03 PM
Hi! I must've joined after you left. I'll keep your skin treatment solution in mind. If no one has told you lately, thanks for putting up those programs. They're probably not posted anywhere else and probably rescued several people. Since I'm blind my accessible technology and most programming tools don't like each other so I've limited myself to the personalities made for the Ugobes and the last of the update files released for the RB's in... *shrug* whenever it was. Twenty eleven I think.
Talon
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 05, 2015, 05:39:07 PM
If no one has told you lately, thanks for putting up those programs. They're probably not posted anywhere else and probably rescued several people.

Awww no problem Talon. Very nice to meet you BTW!

Hi! I must've joined after you left. I'll keep your skin treatment solution in mind.

I hope you do. Its the only thing I found that works. My pleo from 2007 or 2008 still doesn't even have paint wear marks and have showed no signs of getting tears or holes in the skin to boot. I thought that with the Pleo RBs  they had changed the skin formula but I guess not enough to change the degrading of the skin factor...
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Crewella on March 05, 2015, 06:26:21 PM
Interesting - must have been before my time!

Is this the stuff?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gibbs-Brand-Lubricant-2-12oz-cans/dp/B00AFJXIJQ

Oh .... and hi, by the way! ;)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 05, 2015, 06:37:37 PM
Hi Crewella!
Nice to meet you!
Yup that's the stuff!
Buy the aerosol version in the big can.
In the early days of Pleoworld someone posted a method using GIBBs Brand penetrate because it seals and hydrates.
They originally said to aply it with a paper towel soaked in the stuff. Not true.
Spray just a bit on the skin at a time and rub it in liberally. (Also apply enough to saturate pleos body all over but avoid getting any in the mouth or eye socket opening's as we don't want to get any on the circuits. Allow to dry after you have rubbed it in real good. (Just act like your rubbing suntan oil on your pleo.)
WASH YOUR HANDS VERY GOOD AFTER DOING THIS BEFORE YOU EAT A SANDWITCH OR LIGHT UP A CIGARETTE.
LOL.
Your pleo will be dry at the end of one day or two and not feel tacky.
Repeat the same steps every couple of weeks or months from now and your pleo will never show any signs of degrading.
Ever!


Gibbs seals in his rubber like material and protects his paint. It also rehydrates the rubber like material of pleos skin and prevents it from cracking and drives out water or humidity moisture which also degrades your pleos skin.
Do NOT kiss your pleo after treating it.
Do NOT use pledge as there are chemicals in pledge that will also break down rubber and silicone.
NEVER EVER EVER USE BABY POWDERS as this will speed up the degradation of pleos skin.

IF you follow these simple instructions your pleo will last 30 years without any sign of paint peel or rubber cracking.
(No more clothes or capes for Pleo) ;)



Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: mweed on March 05, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
Glad to see you back, Taoworm!   I do remember the whole skin discussion about Gibbs.  I actually looked into buying a can, but  I ended up trying the Vinylex because I actually found a local store that carried it. :P  I don't want to re-start any arguments.  I think back then a lot of it fell into the debate because nobody knew what the long-term effects of any of the products was going to be.  After 6 years, with your skin still holding out good, that proves Gibbs probably is a very good choice.

I end up using the Vinylex about 2-3 times a year.  It does seem to help on the older skins.  Should probably use it more frequently.  The Pleo RB skin seems thicker and has held up better.  But we still see a lot of older Ugobe and 2009 pleos showing up in the resale market with already damaged or dried out skins.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 05, 2015, 08:06:44 PM
 Hey mweed! :)
Glad you're still here!
Yeah I just bought another New In Box Ugobe pleo from the Italian seller on ebay who refurbishes the ugobe battery's.
I should be getting him in soon and will be doing a whole slew of upgrades including getting rid of the cartoony looking eyes and replacing the motors with more expensive quieter ones as well.
I'm also probably going to be making some new skin materials for pleo to make major cosmetic changes. (See pic below)
I'm glad to back to the best Pleo site around!
Look forward to posting updates soon!

New pleo skin and facial bone bone structure alteration plan using ABS plastic
(http://www.factmonster.com/images/EEX_DIN066_013.jpg)

New eyes for pleo that are more authentic. ..
(http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/media/2012/07/troodon_formosus_jpg_10158.jpg)
They are black and this will hide the fact that the eyes are connected to the eye lids andlook down when ever pleo opens and closes his eyes.
(Palentogist believe this is what dinosaur eyes looked like in reality because of there close relations to modern day birds.)
Pic is of a Troodon dinosaur

Even slit eyes like the one pictured above this picture would be better than the stock pleo eyes because it would still hide the fact that the eyeball moves down on pleo when he closes his eye lids...

If black doesn't look right on the prototype I can always fall back on more obvious eye selections. ..(https://img0.etsystatic.com/012/0/7430259/il_570xN.440905398_5ca6.jpg)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on March 16, 2015, 02:09:25 AM
I look forwards to following your progress :) Love those red eyes!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: JakeLBell on March 16, 2015, 06:14:22 AM
Taoworm, I am a new member myself and had no idea you had been gone for such a long time until recently. I am glad you're back though! I'm planning to switch over from Pledge to Gibbs for my RB, and I am excited to see your updates to your new Pleo! I have had several ideas to change the look to be more realistic and update the tech inside my RB, but I would have no idea where to start. Seeing someone else do just that would be amazing!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 21, 2015, 06:29:09 AM
Rubber products oxidise slowly and once oxidised, they cannot be rejuvenated, because the chemical action is irreversible.

Characteristic of "aged rubber" is brittleness and inflexibility and cracking.
If rubber is cracking, it is beyond help. If it is glazed, or hardened, it can be partially restored to usefulness for an indeterminate time.

The coating of rubber with Gibbs does reduce the speed of oxidation, and the Gibbs coating can be used for long-term flexibility of the rubber parts.

Gibbs must be applied early in the life of rubber products.
Once Pleos rubber has lost plasticizing oil and has had the backbone oxidized - no amount of liquid will fix that.

Sadly,  all rubbers die. Depends on the UV stabilisers added in the mix as to how long it takes when exposed to light.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Piggy on March 21, 2015, 07:37:53 AM
Can't wait to see how your updated pleo looks !The eyes are so cool , I also like the red eyes. And where can I buy this Gibbs product? Do they sell it on eBay ?
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 21, 2015, 08:54:12 AM
And where can I buy this Gibbs product? Do they sell it on eBay ?
Yup!
I bought it straight from Gibbs site but there are some sellers on ebay as well.

www.ebay.com/itm/GIBBS-Brand-Lubricant-12-oz-Can-/151623576564?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item234d782bf4&vxp=mtr

I squirted some in a clear cap and got a small paintbrush from Hobby Lobby (the kind used for oil painting) and "paintedthe Gibbs on.
 Be careful NOT to get any on the camera lens, ear microphones or the bottom of his feet.
The Gibbs will dry in a couple of hours.
Repeat steps. Brush on another coat once Pleo dries.
Repeat again in a couple of hours.
Wear gloves when handling pleo before he dries.
Keep away from pets or children until he dries completely.
Apply 5 or 6 times in a day. (Or as quick as pleos skin absorbs the Gibbs
Make sure Pleo is in the reset 'box mode position'.
Turn pleo off while in this position.
Apply Gibbs again with a paint brush all over his body again. (Make sure to get his tail and neck real good.)
Do this 4 or 5 times. (Again apply...wait to dry...apply again.)
Repeat this every 2 to 3 months and your Pleos paint will even be more protected from petting. But most importantly the rubber will not crack or degrade further.
If your Pleos skin already has holes in him already, superglue the holes VERY WELL and then treat Pleo.
You can even repaint over gibbs and the paint will still stick!

The lubricant soaks in fairly quickly and with no residue so it does not attract dirt. Gibbs will also not remove any paint either.

 Wash your hands VERY well before eating or rubbing your eyes or petting your cat or dog if you get some on your hands.
Your pleo will be safe once it dries COMPLETELY.


DO NOT USE PLEDGE!
Do NOT use baby powder or any other kind of powder!
(I don't care what Ugobe or Innvo said...they are WRONG)


Because Gibbs Brand is a "mega penetrant" that is thinner than water, it works its way right into the pores of the rubber.
9 years and my pleo shows no signs of degrading skin or paint.
Works best on brand new pleos new in box.


NOTE:
Thermoplastic Rubber goes bad just sitting on a shelf in the dark in a vendors warehouse. It ages/de-gasses from day one. Exposure to UV light speeds up the process big time.  You can soften the surface/protect it with Gibbs but essentially once it's shot, it's shot. When buying a Ugobe Pleo, start protecting it asap cause though new to you, it may(likely?) have already sat on a shelf somewhere for 6 to 9 years.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Piggy on March 21, 2015, 12:46:44 PM
Wow  ;D that sound great that you have a pleo that is 9 years old an has no signs of degrading ! I Will definitely try this . IT is quite expensive to ship to the Netherlands but the product Will last for a long time. Thanks for the desciption on how to use it . And please post some photo's when you start with upgrading your pleo  :) Thank you for your advice  :cool:
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Crewella on March 21, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
That's really helpful, Taoworm, thank you.

I've repainted a couple of my Pleos with a mixture of acrylic ink and latex paint.  I wondered if you had any thoughts on how the Gibbs would work over my paint job?

This comment:

"DO NOT USE PLEDGE!
Do NOT use baby powder or any other kind of powder!
(I don't care what Ugobe or Innvo said...they are WRONG)
"

.. really made me laugh as I got really cross when they first recommended Pledge - it made no sense to me at all, which is why I went searching for things like Vinylex and Autoglym.

I'm sure there are bits of my old 1950s Ford Popular that will appreciate a bit of Gibbs as well! ;)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 21, 2015, 01:55:34 PM

I've repainted a couple of my Pleos with a mixture of acrylic ink and latex paint.  I wondered if you had any thoughts on how the Gibbs would work over my paint job?


Hi Crewella!
It should protect your paint just fine.
I never understood why Ugobe and Innvo used the paint they did. (They used REALLY cheap paint.)
If I was running Ugobe or Innvo I would have used thermoplastic paint for Pleo.
Thermoplastic paint can be applied cold. As you can denote from the name, this type of paint is not your normal paint. It actually contains plastic and once it drys, can withstand a lot more abuse than your normal paints. (Its what they use to paint the white and yellow lines on roads and interstates. ) So, the upside to thermoplastic paint is it's durability. The only major downside, is the cost.
Since Pleos skin is made from thermoplastic material it would have bonded VERY well and never wore off.
They should have used Teflon spray in the neck and tail cables as the micro particles of Teflon would fill the small gaps in the cable wire and would have reduced friction to the point of never having to replace the cables EVER.

(Sigh) Corporations. ..can't live with them , can't live without them. :duh:
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Crewella on March 21, 2015, 02:32:32 PM
Yep ...... when I tried to google 'thermoplastic paint' it came up with paint for road marking!  I'm guessing it's not something that's easily available in small quantities for amateur use (like the amount I'd need to repaint a Pleo!)!  :moose:

I don't think it went as far as built-in obsolescence, but I don't believe that longevity in general was one of the things they put a lot of time or money into.  :wise:

Thanks for all your help. :)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: PleoAibo29 on March 30, 2015, 03:14:42 PM
Wow- those eyes are amazing!

Yeah. Unfortunately those skin problems happen all the time. I wouldn't stop buying Pleos just because of that though. :P
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on March 31, 2015, 11:02:16 PM
Ok I have some facts about pleos skin...please make note of it.

Pleos skin was made by GLS using the Dynaflex™ Thermoplastic Elastomer brand process contains a block structure of Styrene-Ethylene/Butylene-Styrene (SEBS).

A company named APEX worked with UGOBE Inc and JETTA on the paint project for the PLEO dinosaur skin which is made of elastomeric paint.

Gibbs contains no silicones ( Teflons or otherwise)
The three main components in Gibbs are:
iso-propanol (an alcohol)
heptane (a hydrocarbon solvent)
petroleum distillates (CAS no.64742-54-7, which is a paraffin) a heavy solvent refined paraffinic (read waxy oil).

(The abnormally highly refined paraffin oil in Gibbs is used as the extender oil to replace the plasticizing oil in Pleos skin)

Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Crewella on April 01, 2015, 06:09:10 AM
That's really useful to know, thanks! :)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on April 01, 2015, 09:27:31 AM
I just heard back from GLS about using Gibbs on our Pleos since they made the skin.
They said A Paraffin oil carrier like Gibbs is the most compatible, and that it will have a plasticizing effect and can soften the TPEs and restore missing plasticizing oil."

I told them that's perfect since we want our pleos to feel like skin. (This means it will restore dry pleos and make them feel new again.)

When I asked what NOT to use they said " Aromatic carriers cannot be used because they will attack the materials styrene end blocks in the Dynaflex™ Thermoplastic Elastomer.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Talon on April 01, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
Okay. I need a little clarification here. Is this breakdown of skin components for the Ugobe pleo, the RB, or both? Also when you're referring to "Aromatic carriers", you're talking about products like Pledge, right?
Talon
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on April 01, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
They made the skins for both the Pleo and Pleo RB. So it pertains to both.
Aromatic carriers I would also assume to be pledge and pledge like products.

They also warned of Armor All.

The solvents in Armor All draw out chemicals like paraffin which are in the rubber to keep it from drying out over time, and Armor All leaves a layer of silicone on everything within a 12 inch radius (including glass) which traps minute dust particles. Silicone also damages pleos skin. Gibbs helps put paraffin back into the rubber. Ozone is hard on rubber, causing the long chain hydrocarbons to break up, which results in cracking and crumbling. Ozone exposure mainly comes from bright, unfiltered sunlight (think of Arizona) but can also be a result of electric charges in the air from things like welding and high voltage power lines.

Also paraffin oil is also used in thermoplastic rubber compounding as a softening agent. Paraffin is also used in TPEs for its ozone protecting properties.  So double win for Gibbs.

(Note: Gibbs is not just a paraffin oil. It is the most HIGHLY REFINED paraffin oil in existence! Its thinner than water and is one of the reasons it leaves no residue.)

 This explains why my Pleos skin kept drinking this stuff up for weeks. His skin is swelling a bit from being so "full" and supple.
I would rather have that than dry shrinking and cracking. Lol
It also explains why it protected the paint since they used elastomeric paint.

In short, this is EXACTLY what Pleos skin needs. (Literally)


My new recommendations for the application of Gibbs on Pleo would be to apply it only in Reset box mode position. (Neck and tail straight.)
Apply multiple times a day for a week or 2. (This may seem overkill but will future proof it.)
Allow to dry 1 week (Even though Gibbs dries with no residues , you will have force fed pleos skin so much needed Paraffin that it will feel slightly tacky for a day or two. The excess will soak in fairly quickly.)
Repeat every 5 months to a year depending on climate.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: JakeLBell on April 07, 2015, 07:22:20 AM
I recently ordered Gibbs after taoworm suggested it, and today I put the first coat on my 1 month old RB. It was much easier than I expected. Since it is so thin I used a cheap foam brush to "paint" it on and that seemed to work fairly well. I'm really hopeful that I won't have to worry much about paint wearing off and tearing of the skin now. Thanks again taoworm!!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on April 07, 2015, 09:08:51 AM
Your welcome Jake :)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: JakeLBell on April 07, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
I am planning on applying the Gibbs every day for about a week, but I'm not sure how many times each day I should apply it?
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on April 07, 2015, 01:19:43 PM
You can just do it once a day for RBs.
For older UGOBE 2 or 3 times a day. (Since the UGOBEs are older)

General rule is whenever it dries up. If your pleo is still "wet" the next day skip that day until pleo dries completelyreap reapply.

I DO NOT USE GIBBS ON THE FRONT OF HIS NOSE SINCE THATS WHERE THE CAMERA AND IR LEDS ARE.
IT ALSO MAKES IT VERY TRACTON PRONE WHEN HE PUTS HIS HEAD DOWN AND IT MAY GRIP TO A SMOOTH SURFACE AND MESS UP HIS MOTORS AND CABLES BY GRIPPING TO THE FLOOR TILE WHEN HE TRYS TO MOVE HIS HEAD.

Your pleo has grippy skin out of the box. Gibbs will keep it that way.

Just keep and eye on him and make sure there is no undue stress on his joints or neck or tail when he moves around objects he could get caught on.



IMPORTANT NOTICE!
Do NOT use Vinylex or Autoglym!
 I found this on Vinylex's website:

"VINYLEX contains a unique patented composition of silicone and organo-functional silicone specifically designed to provide the desired performance and appearance along with special emulsifiers that cause the formula to break on application. This release (break) on application contributes to the performance of the composition and facilitates the proper distribution of VINYLEX ingredients."

Based on this, it appears as though Vinylex is silicone based and therefore not good for pleos skin. It may do well in the short run, but long term it will yellow and break down the polymer chains.

Same thing with autoglym vinyl  and rubber care. It contains a crap load of silicones.  (Check the FAQ on their website for proof.)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Crewella on April 07, 2015, 07:48:03 PM
I'm not keen on silicone-based products in general as I'm an antiques dealer and have spent many a cold evening cleaning modern silicone-based polishes off old wood and swearing at them!  However, with the furniture that I'm dealing with we're talking about things that last for hundreds of years.

Several years ago now I was desperately searching for something to protect our Pleos, the recommendation for Pledge seemed completely wrong and I felt that Vinylex (and Autoglym) were manufactured specifically for the care of plastics and rubbers and would at least protect the skins in the short term and from breaking down in UV light.  I'm sorry if anyone feels I misled them.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on April 07, 2015, 09:51:06 PM
You didn't mislead anyone Crewella. ;)
I would have thought they were safe myself if I didn't know any better. (And I didn't know any better till today. Lol)
After all it does say rubber care.
Hell even ugobe and innvo labs unknowingly gave people faulty advice.

Now we know going forward what to use. Im still in contact with GLS as of this afternoon so I will be discussing ways to have new skins made with a homemade reverse vacuum  mold if need be. I will post any updates in this thread.

NOTE:
I really think to cut down on any confusion in the future that this information about Gibbs and the other alternatives should be used in a sticky on the forum or perhaps an FAQ so that when this thread gets archived the info will not be lost.

Surprisingly even BMW Gummi Pflege is silicone-based.  It's good in the short-term but destructive in the long term. Do not use on Pleo.
 Because many treatments for rubber do include silicone, which is great at making rubber look good - for a while, but not so good when it comes to dust and dirt. Silicone acts like a magnet, attracting dust and drying out the rubber.
Im not sure about the new spray on Gummi Pflege since its made by another company now and not BMW but I wouldn't take any chances...

Update: After asking Einszett (the maker of GP) about this I got the following response:

"Thanks for your question about Gummi Pflege and sorry for the confusion. Gummi Pflege contains a water based silicone. What it doesn't contain is silicone oil. "

So Gummi Pflege, Vinylex or Autoglym are out.
Gibbs seems to be the go to choice.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Crewella on April 08, 2015, 08:26:02 AM
It will be interesting to see what Lexol have to say. :D

ADDED:  We may have to wait until I get a response from Lexol - when I first recommended it I contacted them (as I'm not keen on silicones due to my experiences with antiques).  They did assure me at the time that their Vinylex product would not dry out thermoplastic surfaces, but it was that long ago that I can't remember exactly what was said!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on April 09, 2015, 09:43:11 AM
Ok, because there's some really awesome information cropping up in this thread now, I'm going to go ahead and split it into its own topic. It deserves to be shared :)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: JakeLBell on April 10, 2015, 06:28:50 AM
So, I personally have never used Gummi Pflege, Vinylex or Autoglym, but I did use the Pledge Ultra Moisturizing recommended by Innvo on my RB one time. That was enough to see that it wasn't going to help. If anything the Pledge made her feel worse afterward. I am currently in the middle of my week-long daily Gibbs applications, but already I can tell a HUGE difference in my RBs skin. It feels much softer and grippy, and it is much more flexible. It feels like what I imagine they were supposed to feel like when new.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: taoworm23 on April 10, 2015, 07:09:51 AM
On a side note about Thermo Plastic Elastomers
TPE (pleos skin) is repaired by CAREFULLY applying heat. 
TPE needs to be around 500 degrees F to melt
You can use a 'wind proof' butane torch lighter from a distance to carefully heat until the surface glosses over, indicating that it is beginning to melt, much like wax.

Then you close or join the heated surfaces. If you have a seam, let it cool a little, then heat the seam and use a damp cloth to apply a skin like texture and to conceal the seam.

Let the repair cool to room temperature before moving. A damp cloth soaked in cool water and applied to the repair helps to reduce heat more quickly.
Then replace/put back on Pleos skin.

WARNING * Work area must have active ventilation, such as exhaust fan or a fan next to an open window to pull any fumes outside.

I saw a post were someone tried to use super glue on TPE and that doesn't work, TPE is thermal and you can re-melt it.
(My cat damaged the tip of pleos tail years ago. I superglued it but it came loose years later.)






Cleaning
If you must wash Pleo ,wash with warm soapy water, (1 part antibacterial soap 4 parts water) taking care not to wet electronic components. TPE cannot be fully sanitized due to being made out of a porous material (meaning Pleos skin has pores that can harbor bacteria).
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: RedwoodsMama on July 01, 2015, 03:35:26 PM
Taoworm, hi, love this topic, very informative and one I missed as I have been gone since about mid February due to some fur baby deaths........Anyway, I read through this topic from the start and I understand it pretty well. I am going to order a can but have a question I have not seen addressed, not sure if you can answer this but probably so here goes.


            I have about half a dozen or so older Ugobes that are custom painted, and my oldest one  was painted in 2011 and is holding up fine with no pain chips or cracking, peeling.  Here are some pictures of a few of the older ones so you can see how much paint is involved, these are all Ugobes also. ( I do have one RB, that I got on Ebay with no skin problems but I did give him a slight touchup...........
     These paints are a combination of acrylics, oil, dry pigments, and some other items, I would hate to lose paint or have it damaged, but I also want to protect my pleos with a product like this if possible.  My pleos are not used often except in "spurt" or special occasions , I even have a New Pleo Rb I purchased in April 2014 and she is still not walking, only second going on third battery cycle so you can see they are not used daily .( I also have 20+ Ugobes) All my pleos are kept in their original boxes or another one to protect them and away from direct sun light, high temps etc. What would you recommend for those of us, ( and I know Crewella, Kat have also custom painted their Ugobes) so I am sure they also would like to know if Gibbs can be used on these type of pleos without damage to the paint. ? I do not mind a slight touch up but to have all the paint come off is a big job.. I am talking about a few of myne that are from head to toe, 70% paint coverage, except the belly underside, and part of the feet, and that is about it!

              If someone else has already asked about using Gibbs on this type of Pleo and I missed it, then I apologize as I missed it.  I by the way am familiar with your name and have seen your post before but it is good to see you on the Pleo forums here. I look forward as the others to your new Pleo makeovers, with realistic looking eyes.. I am not so sure if with these new eyes the face modifications how "cute" Pleo will be when done and I do like the cute factor. but am very interested in the advancements you are gearing towards.. Sounds great. Thanks in advance for any answer...................RWM  :cat-hug: and the Pleo  P8) township of the Redwoods
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Piggy on July 18, 2015, 03:47:28 PM
I used Gibbs both on my ugobe and Rb pleo's, I used a small brush for oil painting and sprayed Some in a cup and painted one layer at a time and let it dry. I applied it as Taoworm instructed.

The funny thing is my RB dried completely and didn't feel sticky but Feels Nice to touch but my ugobe Kimmy feels sticky to the touch and it has been a few weeks ago when I applied it :o
I don't like the feelings of her skin it is so tacky ???

Is this normal ? Or did I do something wrong ?
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: RedwoodsMama on July 18, 2015, 06:00:43 PM
 I have no idea why your Ugobe skin is still feeling tacky, I do think the RB have improved skin and that is one reason they seem to absorb the Gibbs so much faster, I have not used it myself so have no first hand experience, What I am still wanting to know is if this is safe to use on Custom painted Ugobes, as I have about six of them that have a combo of oils, or Acrylics and other pigments. I know they are safe to use on the skin itself, but will using the Gibbs hasten or have the paint removed, ( come off) by using it?
           I want to protect my Ugobes obviously, but do not anticipate repainting these custom pleos. too much work, not enough time and they won't come out the same again, they never do..

                          RWM  :cat-hug: and the Pleo township of the Redwoods
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Niiyon on July 18, 2015, 09:05:49 PM
I think it should be fine, I painted my Shark Attack Swimmer Shark with acrylic and it came off so I used Gibbs and it sealed it in and he never peeled again. Don't know about oils, though. Hey, speaking of painted Pleos, how do you think a Pleo painted black where the base green and yellow is and like a neon blue where the dark green stripes are, and gray where the beige underbelly is would look?
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on July 19, 2015, 05:40:04 AM
Go ahead and try it in Photoshop or a free program like paint.net :)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: kat on July 19, 2015, 07:46:22 PM
It will probably end up looking a bit similar to this
This is Gumble my Ugobe pleo :)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Piggy on July 20, 2015, 03:52:32 AM
WoW  :-* Gumble looks amazing ! Nice job in painting him Kat  ;D
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: aibo7m3 on July 20, 2015, 08:20:00 AM
Wow, Kat! I think I've seen Gumble a few times before, but that photo really shows off what a wonderful paint job you did! Those colors really suit him too, much nicer looking than the blue RBs. I'm probably going to skin my Ugobe Phoenix since his skin is completely falling apart, but I might try painting it first just to see if it's something I might want to try on other Pleos in the future.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Piggy on September 04, 2015, 02:58:24 PM
I use Gibbs on all of my pleo's  but I only apply a very thin layer and rub it softly in with a old t shirt .
And my pleo RB absorbs it really fast, but with my Ugobe she needs a day or two to completely absorb it in her skin. Also it seems to me it seals the paint in very Well. They wear no outfits and I pet and cuddle them a lot. But they still look as they did when they came out of the box :D let's see after a Year of using it they still look as good as New., but for now I love it and I hope the rubber skin lasts longer because of this product .
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: nrherwe on December 01, 2015, 10:56:48 PM
 It does seem to help on the older skins.

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Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: see3d on March 31, 2017, 04:15:55 PM

Im still in contact with GLS as of this afternoon so I will be discussing ways to have new skins made with a homemade reverse vacuum  mold if need be. I will post any updates in this thread...


Hello taoworm23.  I bought one of the first Pleos, then added another about a year later.  When their skins started to crack and fail, my wife made capes for them.  A few years ago, I put them on the shelf, because their skin was in too bad a shape to wake them up and damage them more.  I figured that some day I might figure out how to give them a new skin, or someone else would figure it out.  It has been a while since you posted this and I was wondering if you made any progress on new skins or other repair methods.  One thought I had was to take the skins off and coat the insides with some elastic product to hold all the splits together, then coat the outside with Gibbs.  Any more thoughts?   :dino-chase:
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on March 31, 2017, 07:18:22 PM
Sadly Pleo has such a unique skin that I don't think a full user made replacement would ever be possible without a huge outlay for equipment.

None of my Pleo's have ever been coated with anything, I keep them out of the light and avoid extremes of temperature. They are holding up fairly well considering, a few splits and holes in the older Pleo's and even the RB's are starting to split (Pleakley). I think it's something we are all going to have to live with sadly.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: see3d on March 31, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
Sadly Pleo has such a unique skin that I don't think a full user made replacement would ever be possible without a huge outlay for equipment.


I agree that it would take a significant dedicated effort for an individual to duplicate that skin.  However, the manufacturer has lots of that skin today.  I just asked if they would sell me just the skins from a Pleo rb.  Even though it is not exactly the same as the original, I could modify it to make it fit without too much effort.  I expect that they will decline to sell me just the skin.  However, if they did make skin available to some skilled individuals in each region of the world, it might become possible for some reasonably priced repair work to take place on older Pleos.  If many customers request that they make skins available, then they might consider it.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on April 02, 2017, 12:37:56 AM
I've also asked if they would sell the skins, as the cost of shipping a Pleo in for repairs is too prohibitive. I hope they've changed their minds since then.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: see3d on April 02, 2017, 03:28:26 PM
I've also asked if they would sell the skins, as the cost of shipping a Pleo in for repairs is too prohibitive. I hope they've changed their minds since then.
Do they even offer to reskin the original Pleos?
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on April 03, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
Yes, at a cost of the repair and postage, for me postage alone was $150.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: see3d on April 03, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
Yes, at a cost of the repair and postage, for me postage alone was $150.
That is funny.  I only paid $100 for my second new Pleo (going out of business sale).  I picked it up so I would have spare parts, but the skin on both went bad quickly.  Besides, I found I liked two interacting with each other.  Too bad I did not know about any skin saving tricks way back then.  I speculated it was because of higher ozone levels in the mountains, or perhaps from my electronic air filter.  A lot of latex rubber items around the house were falling apart within a year.  I did not have a clue about how to stop the rot.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: see3d on April 04, 2017, 10:04:48 AM
I've also asked if they would sell the skins, as the cost of shipping a Pleo in for repairs is too prohibitive. I hope they've changed their minds since then.
I just got a reply from customer disservice.  They still will not sell Pleo skins.  I suppose if one were to make a cast of the skins to make and sell them, they would sue for copyright infringement.  I wonder if there are some conditions under which they would consider selling skins without attaching a complete Pleo with them?   :(
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: mweed on April 10, 2017, 08:05:58 PM
Since most of my pleos have splitting tails and necks I've decided to break down and test some repair ideas, so I'm starting a new topic to document these tests.  Wish me luck! :dino-chase:
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 11, 2018, 02:09:43 PM
Eep! Gibbs not available in uk. Will another penetrant oil do the job? WD40 penetrant looks very similar. Any ideas?

Finally got my first ever pleo!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on September 12, 2018, 12:15:18 AM
Definitely don’t use anything untested, it could result in damage. You’d have to research ingredients carefully, then try on a tiny area before committing. I know it says rubber safe, but Pleo’s are a very particular rubber.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 12, 2018, 11:22:26 AM
Thanks, I couldn't find. Full ingredient list which is frustrating but I will be exceedingly careful and if I find something that I think might be similar enough, I'll test it on a small area of foot first.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: mweed on September 12, 2018, 03:42:41 PM
Based on previous topics, WD40 is NOT a good substitute for Gibbs.  Gibbs has worked well for me to help protect the skin, but once it's started cracking or tearing, I have not found anything that repairs skin, short of melting it back together (which I wouldn't suggest unless your skilled with a high quality hot air gun and remove the skin from the pleo first! :O
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 12, 2018, 11:56:25 PM
Yeah, it seems like after a lot of research there's nothing in the world like Gibbs!
Is there anything that can be used to strengthen old skin so that it does not deteriorate any further?

Would Gibbs help with this? If it could moisturise and strengthen, I could still get a lot of use out of this guy without fear of the skin disintegrating when I pick him up or turn him on.

I'm also hoping Gibbs could be used to clean the muck that's accumulated on his skin.

(Also just noticed your post from a long time ago, you mentioned something called vinylex, after long term use do you think that helped? It could be a very long time before I manage to get old of any Gibbs. If it was good could you let me know what stuff to look for?)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 13, 2018, 11:44:50 AM
Ok. Just went over and read the entire thread. Buying Gibbs from America and paying the extortionate shipping fee in the hope that it'll help my poor old ugobe!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 14, 2018, 12:38:00 AM
Sorry guys, one further question. In addition to can it be used for cleaning... how bad are the fumes produced? Will I need a well ventilated area, if I paint it on from a capful, are the fumes likely to affect my young Kingsnake if he is in the same room?

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: mweed on September 18, 2018, 01:15:59 PM
I always take outside to apply just to be on the safe side.  Partially just because it's a aerosol spray, so inside it would get on everything.  Gibbs does have that strong petroleum smell like WD-40, and it takes a day or two to completely evaporate and/or soak in and the smell to dissipate.  You probably won't want to hold or pet for a while after applying.

More than anything what Gibbs does is moisturize the rubber in the skin and help it last longer from cracking. 
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 18, 2018, 02:08:22 PM
Thanks a lot, I'll keep pleo away from snake while working on his skin.
I also found a thin flexible glue that might be good for reinforcing cracking areas and may even be helpful in tears.
And followed up on the good work done years ago in earlier posts here, and emailed every company who has anything to do with the pleo skin to try and get the most to reconsider selling them separately!

Hoping that after a few years it's now financially viable.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: grumpy on September 19, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
Will be interesting to see if you even get a response from any of them.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 20, 2018, 12:37:35 PM
Well, I thought it worth a shot ;)
In other horrible news, my Gibbs was turned back at customs. Not allowed in the uk at all.

Now my life is spent comparing safety data sheets to try and find anything with the same ingredients!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 21, 2018, 01:20:25 PM
Ok. Safety data sheets scoured. I studied dozens, comparing with Gibbs. Ingredients and proportions.

Finally, finally I found something.
This is CRC 5-56 multipurpose lubricant.

Gibbs:
15-30% petroleum distillates
10-20% white mineral oil
10-30% heptane

CRC:
~60% petroleum distillates
10-30% white mineral oil
10-30% LPG (Propane/Butane)

There's nothing in it that could harm pleo, not sure how the benefits will compare but I'm confident that it will be sufficiently lubricant/penetrant/water displacing to fulfill the necessary role.

It will arrive very soon. I will treat and report on pleos ankles!
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 22, 2018, 03:02:33 AM
Update: CRC food grade penetrating oil is even better!
It contains only the 2 main active ingredients:
60-70% petroleum distillates
30-40% white mineral oil

Not knowing what benefit hexane offers, I'm happy to go without. Especially as there is no possibility for harm, only slightly less good!

This stuff however is very hard to get hold of (usually only sold in massive wholesale bulk) so I'll use the multipurpose stuff until I can source either this or Gibbs from a uk distributor.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: mweed on September 24, 2018, 08:20:36 PM
In the CRC list, the propane/butane is probably used more as the propellant as both are gaseous at normal air pressure.  Heptane is actually a solvent, so it is probably part of what is actually soaking into the skin.  Technically all three are petroleum distillates.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 25, 2018, 12:04:19 AM
Yeah that makes sense, so I expect this CRC stuff to be good for pleo skin, just not as good as Gibbs. Believe me, the second I can get hold of some I will!

In the meantime, I found some chemical resistance sheets for various rubbers and checked every ingredient of the CRC against TPE. According to the sheet, nothing in there can harm it.

In an ideal world I'd wait for Gibbs but it's winter now and putting the heating on will be adding stress to the already fragile skin (he was in his box by a heater when husband put the heating on - only realised when I came home! That can't have helped...)

At this point I think similar is going to have to do or he'll deteriorate into a skeleton while I wait for Gibbs.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on September 30, 2018, 01:19:35 AM
I reported this in my story thread but I'll put it here too for interest.

CRC painted on to pleo in several coats (tested on ankles first)
It goes on clear and soaks in after a while. It loosens dirt on the skin - you end up filling your paint pot with black specs if you're not careful! And dries soft and smooth.

So pleo is cleaner and no longer sticky!

What it does seem to do is loosen the paint a little, so I've been painting his brown skin first and then the painted areas, just to keep the paint from bleeding into the brown (something that seems to already have happened a little from his general wear and tear) the paint dries back on fine so I just have to be careful when he's wet.

Verdict:
CRC ok in a desperate situation.
Gibbs preferred.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: mweed on October 03, 2018, 02:37:45 PM
You'll find that Gibbs will loosen the paint a bit as well.  Paint coming off was a problem from Day 1 way back in 2007 with Ugobe pleos.
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: DoctorMikeReddy on January 03, 2019, 12:23:34 PM
Did I see somewhere - someone’s intro thread http://bobthepleo.com/forums/index.php/topic,5360.0.html (must write one of those) - that there may be a UK supplier of Gibbs? My new (to me) Pleo rb has the beginning of cracks in the neck
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: Anya on February 02, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
Here: http://shop.gibbsbrand.info/430ml_can

So, I have phoned them twice, emailed them countless times and the response is always "we hope the shipment will be here soon" every day I check the website to see if it's back.

I think they've been hit with the same thing I was with Gibbs being turned back at customs.
I've been using CRC-56 for Arthur and it has done an alright job. He shows no sign of further damage, and smells nice ;)
Title: Re: Care and restoration of Pleo skins
Post by: AprilPearl98 on May 07, 2019, 02:47:53 PM
I was lucky enough to get a ugobe off eBay today which is new and sealed in package. I’ve ordered some of this Gibbs stuff since it sounds great. How often will I need to use it, seeing as my pleo’s skin is coming to me in a pristine condition?