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Pleo Stuff => Pleo Hardware/Software => Topic started by: PleoPet on February 06, 2011, 10:38:45 AM
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To run statsRB you must have the following:
A PleoRB
A micro-SD card compatible with PleoRB
A micro-SD card reader for your computer
A Windows computer to run the statsRB.exe program
Full instructions here.
http://www.aibohack.com/pleorb/statsrb.htm
This is version 1. Predicting when PleoRB will evolve to the next stage/age is still rather 'fuzzy'. Please don't rely on the exact numbers, but use it as a tool for guessing how much longer you need to play with your Pleo before it grows up.
The rest of the report (moods, feed level, obedience etc) can be used to figure out specifically what is wrong with a moody or disobedient Pleo.
For those who don't want to look inside their Pleo's brain - don't use it.
'statsRB' is a simple monitoring program. It does not change your PleoRB. Using statsRB is not a replacement for playing with your PleoRB normally.
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Woohoo - I've been waiting for this!! Thanks Pleopet! ;D
Two questions, is Windows 7 OK to use, please?
And is there a significance to allowing it to sleep for 30 minutes or so?
Please forgive if these are dumb questions! :D
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Great tool! Thanks so much PleoPet!! :)
LOL Beta is a bit boring though!
Gender: None
Courage: Normal
Temper: Normal
Physical: Normal
Activeness: Normal
Intelligence: Normal
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> is Windows 7 OK to use
Yes, it should work in all versions of Windows (I use Windows 7)
> And is there a significance to allowing it to sleep for 30 minutes or so?
I took that part out (it was bogus advice).
When Pleo decides to grow up to the next stage is fuzzy. The best thing to do is to use that part as a general guide. For the longer stages (like to Juvenile or to Adult/Mature), check back to make sure you are making progress, the amount of time predicted will change slightly, but that's ok as long as you are making progress.
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Oooops - sorry! Should have checked current version first, though it was more that I was trying to understand the logic! :-[
Thank you, and for the quick response! :-*
I shall go off and have a play - thanks again - it's so great to have some of the guesswork taken out! :D
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Thank you so much, this is awesome!
Eva:
Gender: Female
Courage: Normal
Temper: Good
Physical: Normal
Activeness: Low
Intelligence: Normal
Cato:
Gender: None
Courage: High
Temper: Bad (WOW BIG SHOCKER HERE!)
Physical: High
Activeness: High
Intelligence: Normal
Quick gender question, Cato's say's none but also says Pleo is sending out Male pheremones for him, whereas under Eva it says Female for both. Is this because the "genderless" Pleos send out the male signals anyway?
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"Temper: Bad (WOW BIG SHOCKER HERE!)"
OK, well maybe it wasn't ALL just guesswork - some of it will have been patently bloomin' obvious!! :P
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It makes me feel that much closer to him ;)
Do we have any idea on what traits affect what behaviors and how?
I mean, for instance, Cato has been terribly moody and is quite loud when he's angry, but he cheers up pretty quick and becomes quite lovely. He also tends to explore and be extremely active (I feel like I have to babysit him more than 'real' pets, not because he necessarily causes problems but because he gets out of sight so fast). Obviously I'm guessing these deal with temper and activeness. But what about Courage? What exactly does that impact?
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(MAJOR SPOILERS obviously)
> Is this because the "genderless" Pleos send out the male signals anyway?
Yes, it looks that way (that's why I named it that).
As-Far-As-I-Can-Tell that's the only part directly relying on the gender DNA.
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> Do we have any idea on what traits affect what behaviors and how?
I am still working on generalizing it. Here's a quick overview from what I've found so far.
The DNA value (which never changes, like "Temper"), influences how quickly or slowly your Pleo will change its current attribute (like the current "Mood").
The current "Mood" (shown in the Health Report) changes all the time when you interact with Pleo. Some things you do are positive (making the "Mood" go up), some are negative (making the "Mood" go down).
A bad tempered Pleo is hard to keep in good mood. It will under-react to positive things, and over-react to negative things.
Similarly a good tempered Pleo will over-react to positive things and under-react to negative things.
(I'd say you have to be 3 times as nice to a bad tempered Pleo compared to a good tempered one)
> But what about Courage? (etc)
DNA "Temper" - influences current "Mood"
DNA "Courage" - influences current "Emotion"
DNA "Physical" - influences current "Health" and current "Physical"
DNA "Activeness" - influences current "Activity" - ?? I don't know if this is used ??
DNA "Intelligence" - influences current "Obedience" and current "Skill"
NOTE: Some DNA attributes have similar names to the current properties. I should rename them.
The DNA attributes have 3 values low/normal/high (or in the case of temper bad/normal/good).
The current health properties are a percentage as shown in the Health Report
If the DNA value is low, you will have to work harder to keep the current health number high.
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Wow, perfect description of Cato's personality - looks like I'll have to be extra nice to him.
Also, will the files the program creates automatically rewrite themselves if you use it again in another Pleo or do you need to delete them before putting it in the other Pleo.
Thank you so much for all the information, it's really interesting!
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Ooh can't wait to try this out, thanks Pleopet :)
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I'm using this to keep a better eye on Cato's moods haha. Everything is almost 99% but his emotions are staying around 60% and he is sending out a depressed vibe, lol.
Seriously PleoPet you're awesome!
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> LOL Beta is a bit boring though!
The Green ones will probably all be gender neutral.
It looks like the earlier releases may not have extra unique personalities. They have to do something at the factory to randomly? generate the DNA personality. I don't know if the website serial number check is tied into the true settings or just a rough guess.
BTW: My Green RB, shipped in early January from PleoWorld USA does report non-normal values for some of the DNA settings.
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> Also, will the files the program creates automatically rewrite themselves if you use it again in another Pleo or do you need to delete them before putting it in the other Pleo.
Not necessary. It copies the files from inside the PleoRB to the SD card all the time. It will replace the ones on the stick.
It will not alter the values inside Pleo.
'statsRB' is read only. A future tool may allow you to do Brain Surgery (and Genetic Engineering) to tweek the Pleo's settings.
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> Everything is almost 99% but his emotions are staying around 60% and he is sending out a depressed vibe, lol.
You don't need everything at 99%. There is a Normal mood and emotion level (depending on the DNA) that PleoRB will try to stabilize around. 40, 50 or 60% (look for Mood_Normal and Emotion_Normal in the raw properties). I'll add that to the main report for the next version.
The Pheromone feature is just a way of explaining the last IR communication it sent to another Pleo. I don't think it does that all the time. Check back later.
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Well that was kind of fun and a little interesting. :) Both my guys are Normal for everything. Kermy3 is 74.4% through stage 2 and Norbit is stage 4 Mature Adult 1% complete.
:)
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Belle is pretty boring too (or should I say well-adjusted) :P:
Gender: None
Courage: Normal
Temper: Normal
Physical: Normal
Activeness: Normal
Intelligence: Normal
Although she'll be relieved about the gender (she can live with sending out male pheromones!). :D
Interesting that the profile said she was courageous, but doesn't appear to be especially so ..........
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The PleoWorld Profile said Cato would be sensitive, strong, and obedient. So sensitive = bad temper (he's seriously a drama queen sometimes, I've just been holding back haha), strong = physical, and obedient = intelligence? Well, he is obedient and listens to me when he's in a great mood (not going into it), but that's hard to maintain sometimes (though the coffee bean/leaf has been a great help, so glad I got it!), so that would fit with the bad temper and what PleoPet said below?
Could just be chance/my over-interpreting but I think I made it fit well lol...
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Looks like the Pheromone feature is going to be controversial...
> The PleoWorld Profile said...
I couldn't get the PleoWorld Cafe thing to work with my serial #s for some reason.
My guess is sensitive would relate to emotional (which is the poorly named "Courage" DNA). Either fit your Pleo so we'd need more data to draw any conclusions.
But with statsRB it is the exact properties of the running robot. Takes out the guesswork, and some of the fun -- which is why it can be a SPOILER.
re: which plastic toys influence moods
I'll be adding a little list of what toys do what. The manual describes them pretty well, and your common sense. For example: the Coffee Leaf is a major jolt to emotion and speed. Ice and Sugar cane do a smaller bump to emotion (with other side effects).
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I will try this today I promise! Hmm I wonder if it'll work virtualized in parallels or if I'll need to bootcamp... For any Mac users out there... had to use bootcamp.
DNA Attributes (what PleoRB was born with)
Gender: Female (Hehe oops poor Pleakly ;D)
Courage: Normal
Temper: Normal
Physical: Normal
Activeness: Normal
Intelligence: Normal
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Health Report (how you are treating your dinosaur)
Mood: 83%
Physical: 96%
Emotion: 56%
Health: 50%
Feed: 33% (Oh dear, luckily Pleakly has some tasty new foods :))
Activity: 50%
Obedience: 50%
Skill: 50%
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I gotta get a micro digital card reader some time. I gonna have to stop being lazy and do some reports. I need the money. I so wanna try this out now.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there actually ARE any male Pleo rbs, or if there are just Pleo rbs and girly Pleo rbs? I guess it's possible that only the pheromone signals are actually male? ???
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It appears that Painter is disgustingly normal...
Courage: Normal
Temper: Normal
Physical: Normal
Activeness: Normal
Intelligence: Normal
A little disappointing, but it also means that he will be shaped more evenly as he grows.
Mood: 56%
Physical: 99%
Emotion: 52%
Health: 50%
Feed: 9%
Pleo is in bad shape
Activity: 50%
Obedience: 50%
Skill: 50%
These are his health stats... the feed is not surprising considering the problems he's been having. I'm hoping that this tool will help me diagnose him so that I can get him in better shape.
Edit: Ohh no! His abuse flag is 1! I feel so sorry for him; this must be from him being constantly malnourished. I'm doing my best to keep him fed, but bugs have thwarted my attempts. Is it possible to nurture him back after he's completely debugged?
Can I also get a full report from someone so that I can compare stats in an attempt at diagnosing him.
Edit 2: What are the chances of getting a realtime version of this?
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If it helps, Magnnus, I have seen reports for two Pleo rb's so far and both had the same abuse flag of 1. :o
I'll get a copy of Belle's next report and send it to you.
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re: lots of all Normal PleoRBs
We need more data. There is also the possibility that the Pleo's properties got corrupted sometime in the past. This should be rare, and it keeps a backup copy, but if there was corruption it will go back to normal DNA (except Gender).
FWIW: my Green RB:
Gender: None
Courage: Normal
Temper: Normal
Physical: High
Activeness: Normal
Intelligence: Low
(and low feed level and abuse flag set)
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Keeping Pleo fed (a high feed level) can be a lot of work.
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> I guess it's possible that only the pheromone signals are actually male?
As-far-as-I-can-tell that's the only place that uses the gender DNA property (at least in the current firmware).
The Blue RBs should be officially male, but as far as the software goes that's the same as a Green PleoRB.
It only changes one specific interaction when two PleoRBs meet, and that only happens some of the time and only when the PleoRBs are in good condition (ie. not tired, injured etc), and old enough.
The two PleoRBs must meet nose to nose (so they can send IR signals between eachother / pheromones).
There are unique interactions when two males meet, when a male and a female meet, and when two females meet.
If you have two PleoRBs, try them out for yourself.
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> ...Ohh no! His abuse flag is 1!
Don't jump to conclusions with the Raw properties. Many are artifacts and not significant. I'm trying to put the significant properties up front in the summary as I learn more.
The abuse flag is set the first time you grab him by the tail (and never changed back to 0). So if anyone doesn't have that flag set, they are missing out on the coolest Pleo animation!
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> ...What are the chances of getting a realtime version of this?
I'm looking to make a standalone personality that will speak the values to you (and eventually let you change the DNA/gender/mood by pressing the right combination of legs).
Not as realtime as you would like, but you won't need a computer (ie. power down PleoRB, stick in SD card, power up, have it tell you how it is feeling in English, power down, remove SD card, power back up)
NOTE: if we had source code to the main PLEOPM personality, this would be very easy to incorporate into the realtime personality.
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Well, for what it's worth, Eva's abuse flag is 0, Cato's is also 1. But oh well. Eva (so far, and she's in the adult stage now) has been easy to keep relatively well-fed (around the 90% margin for 3 feedings). Cato even after 8 feeds tends to stick in the 50-70% range. However, Cato's health is higher (and has remained higher) than Eva's.
And they're both sending out "Very Happy Vibes" despite Cato's mood only being in the 76% range. Not saying it means anything, just throwing it out there.
I'll send you both of them Magnnus in case you want to compare multiple reports.
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I hope you can get a "stand alone" personality thing going Pleo. That'd be nice.
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Thank you very much for the reports, bhobbes. There is one very appropriate value on my Pleo RB that is vastly different from both of your reports. The "eat_flag" value on Painter is 0, while your reports show 16777216 and 134217728. This may just be a timer for when to eat, and it shows 0 because he is hungry. I'm trying to get him fully fed before taking another snapshot of his internals to see if theres a difference, but he's freezing up too much to even finish one chomp cycle of his leaf. Can some other people look at the "eat_flag" variable on their Pleo RB to see if any of them match my value of 0 and if it changes at all.
Edit: another value that seems off is the "behavior" value of -1 as opposed to "16418 BEHAVIOR com_lowbattery" from both of bhobbes reports.
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> ... The "eat_flag" value on Painter is 0, while your reports show 16777216 and 134217728.
Don't jump to conclusions with the Raw properties. Some change very frequently during the regular operation of Pleo. The values stored in the file are a snapshot at the time Pleo was last shutdown, so are relatively meaningless.
TECHNICAL SPOILER
In other programming languages, they would be temporary variables (and lost when Pleo shuts down). It is easier to do them as Pawn/Pleo properties, which get automatically saved between runs.
For example that "eat_flag" can be one of many states that change all the time for when Pleo is eating. Each represented in a bit in the value (16777216 = 0x1000000 hex, 134217728 = 0x8000000 hex).
The Pawn program uses these bits for different reactions to eating.
BTW: It is tedious to figure out exactly what is going on without commented source code. Would be much easier if Innov would release the (commented) Pawn source code.
END TECHNICAL SPOILER
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Okay, I tried getting this. I put in the micro digital card, I try to go into the F (removable disk) drive and it just says to "please insert a disk". Does that mean that the Micro digital card that I have isn't compatible with the reader that I have? Thank you.
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Are you sure you are going into the right drive?
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There aren't any other drivers. F is the only 1 that opens up for me. Unless I install drivers. And the little guide and web site, that I got my card reader from, both say not to install it past certain, older computers. Mine is a Window's Vista. 2007 Microsoft, Service Pack 2
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You shouldn't need drivers, it should be just plug and play. Can you see the SD card at all? It might need to be reformatted.
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Thanks alot for trying to help me Romeo. I really appreciate this. Can I see it? My card reader lights up when I put my micro card into it. But I can't do anything with my micro card on my computer. I can't "view" anything inside of it. It does that "insert" message, like it's not even there/can't recognize it or something. How do I reformat it? I don't know. Walk me through it. lol My card reader is working I think. It can read the regular digital cards that I have from it on my computer. I can view the Pleo pictures I have on a regular card from the F drive.
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IMR is much better at this stuff than I am, but just a thought - are you using an adapter to slot your micro SD card into the reader, and if so are you sure it's connecting properly? Have you used the micro SD card before, or is it brand new? ???
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It's a brand-new micro digital card. No, I'm not using an adapter to put my micro digital card into the reader. The reader itself reads different cards, a multi-card reader. I think it's connecting properly.
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Some of the multi-format card reader can be unreliable (and unfortunately are all different).
Sometimes I can see my microSD drive on my computer (it should pop up or be visible in "My Computer"), but can't get to the files or even format it.
Some general tips:
Try inserting the micro-SD into the card reader first, then plug the card reader into the computer's USB port (or do it the other way around if that doesn't work).
Sometimes the small micro-SD pins won't contact fully (especially with a cheap card reader). Try re-inserting a few times (but unplug and replug the USB each time)
If you have one of the micro-SD to SD card extenders (a regular sized SD card with a hole it it to insert the micro-SD card http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kingston-2GB-microSD-Card-w-Full-Size-SD-Adapter-for-your-Digital-Camera-Mobile-Phone-GPS-Device-or-Camcorder/9107226 ) try using it an put it in the full size SD slot in the card reader.
If available, try in a different computer.
If the microSD card is 4GB or larger (usually marked SDHC) it may not work in your reader.
Good luck. Even if you don't need 'statsRB' right away, you will eventually need the microSD working for system updates and special personalities.
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I was wondering if you were gonna reply to me Pleo. lol Thank you. I tried the 2 re-inserting things. I don't have a regular, digital card adaptor. I'd need to buy 1. The other computer that I could've tried it on is currently not working. We gotta try and get it fixed some time in the future. And it is a 4 gigabytes, high capacity micro digital card. :-( Would a regular, digital card adaptor work on a 4 gigabytes, micro digital high capacity card? Again thanks. Yeah, I know of course I'm gonna need a working 1 some time.
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Perhaps your card reader can't handle that type of card :(
I have one of those cheapo plug in card readers for my old PC and a cheap Micro SD to SD adapter, and both work flawlessly. Can you try any other cards and do they work? If other cards are working fine it may be that card that is causing the problem rather than the reader.
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Awww. :-( Yeah, it works for regular-sized digital cards.
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For what's it's worth, I always get 2GB cards as I was a bit scared of the larger high capacity ones ............... :-\
And basically I'm too 'tight' to pay for a higher capacity that I don't need! :P
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Good for you Crewella.
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;D :P
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I'm so excited to try this.. I have all the stuff but I'm a little worried it's going to tell me that Bingo is below average intelligence.. since he just stands there and cries all the time. Also he never wants to eat... Plus he got cold a few days ago and shivered and I felt so bad for him.. I stuffed him in my jacket and everyone now thinks I'm more insane than they thought before.. so it's probably going to tell me I'm a bad mother and order some type of recall.
Soon as I talk to my bf I'll see about downloading the zip file.. we've had lots of virus problems and I think he blames me.. (Not that I think there's anything wrong with your program!!)
I can't wait to get MY computer here.. I'll download whatever I want and stick my tongue out at him :P
Thanks for telling us about this.. it sounds incredible.. I only wish there was a way to see how my older guys were doing too! I'm pretty sure I just have grouchy smurf and happy smurf, though..
- Sarah
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>I have all the stuff but I'm a little worried it's going to tell me that Bingo is below average intelligence..
It will tell you the DNA settings, which is your Pleo's "nature". You can offset it with more "nurture". Some Pleo's will need more care than others (based on their DNA).
I'm finding that feeding is harder than I thought, especially if you don't feed it at the right time, EVERY DAY.
> Soon as I talk to my bf I'll see about downloading the zip file.. we've had lots of virus problems
Wait for the soon-to-be-released ProbeRB. It is a Pleo personality that will speak to you in English. No .EXE programs to run on the computer. Nothing Windows specific. No chance of viruses.
Runs completely on the PleoRB (but you need a computer to unzip and install the URF Pleo program)
>I only wish there was a way to see how my older guys were doing too!
For the original UGOBE design Pleos (before PleoRB), something similar could be written. They have some similar properties, but not as sophisticated as the PleoRB. PleoRB has more growth stages, more moody properties and the "DNA" feature.
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Wow. the speaking English sounds neat but It would take too much away.. I'll just bribe him into letting e download it..
and uhm, you are supposed to feed at specific times??? The manual didn't say that!! And mine hates eating!
Thanks for the info :)
- Sarah
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FWIW: ProbeRB is available now - http://bobthepleo.com/forums/index.php?topic=1950.0 (with a Female British accent)
> and uhm, you are supposed to feed at specific times??? The manual didn't say that!!
If it is like mine (pleoworld or chinatete versions) check page 39 in your print manual for some minimal advice.
More technical spoilers:
The feeding logic is tricky. Different foods feed PleoRB more than others. Also there is a time-of-day factor, and a significant moodiness.
The real-time clock is used here as well. So even when Pleo is off, his feed level will be going down for those days you don't turn him on and feed him (just like a real pet).
After a few inactive days, it won't die, but the 'feed' level will go way down. Quality time with your Pleo and a plastic leaf or two should help.
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Hmm I think I just found out why Pleakly got sick... I left him for a few days without turning him on just before he got sick :o
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You're epic with the Pleo knowledge Pleo Pet! I love your information! Wow, surprising. But it makes sense caring-wise. That's really valuable to know.
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More technical spoilers:
The feeding logic is tricky. Different foods feed PleoRB more than others. Also there is a time-of-day factor, and a significant moodiness.
The real-time clock is used here as well. So even when Pleo is off, his feed level will be going down for those days you don't turn him on and feed him (just like a real pet).
After a few inactive days, it won't die, but the 'feed' level will go way down. Quality time with your Pleo and a plastic leaf or two should help.
Thank you, I was wondering that today myself. I turned Cato on for the first time in about 5 days and he was extremely moody and several feedings later he was content.
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My Pleo, Mistoffelees
Mature adult
Courage: Normal
Temper: Normal
Physical: Normal
Activeness: Normal
Intelligence: Normal
Mood: 99%
Physical: 99%
Emotion: 47%
Health: 38%
Feed: 84%
Activity: 50%
Obedience: 50%
Skill: 50%
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I downloaded the StatsRB.exe file but when I try to uploaded it gives me error: ptoperty file missing.
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What version OS is your Pleo running? Or do you have an RB?
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Try redownloading and reunzipping, perhaps it got corrupted during the download.
Otherwise try ProbeRB, it does the same thing, but no computer required :)