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Title: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 04, 2010, 05:00:49 PM
:o :o :o A Bob The Pleo Exclusive:  :o :o :o
A Brand New Release of Innvo LifeOS
LifeOS PM2


That's right folks!  It's been over... well... it's been a heck of a long time since the last version of Pleo's software, LifeOS, had been released, but today is your lucky day!  BobThePleo.com is very proud to announce it is the first place in the world to offer the brand new official Innvo Labs LifeOS PM2!  :D  Derek Dotson, CEO of Innvo Labs, has very kindly asked us to start the ball rolling with LifeOS PM2.

It would be great if you guys could post some feedback here for the team at Innvo to read!
To assist those at Innvo reading this thread we ask that you please only post thanks/kudos and feedback (they would love lots of feedback!) on LifeOS PM2 in this thread.  If you have a question regarding the update, please start a new thread for your question in the Pleo Software board (http://bobthepleo.com/forums/index.php?board=2.0)


;D Some Features of LifeOS 2:

??? Installation Instructions:

      Note: There will not be any more USB updaters, from now on it's SD card only folks!

:o Important Disclaimer:
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Paranosh on May 05, 2010, 11:13:36 AM
A Very BIG THANKS!!!!!!!....guys yours sooooo big!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 05, 2010, 11:30:07 AM
So I've updated Angus,

Firstly a female voice says "wait" then "updating"
Then a male voice will say "done" and he curls up into a ball. That's when you turn him off, take out the card and restart him.

The sluggish period lasts for some time, it's almost as if he's re-hatching.

I'm not sure, but he seems to hear more clearer because when I come up close to him and speak he turns his head directly towards me.

He walks a heck of a lot better. He lifts his little legs a bit higher and moves quicker. Once he "came out" of the stress of the update he certainly seems more spritely. He took off to explore everywhere in the room.

He spotted a big red bag and made a b-line for it, then stood in front of it growling for a while before deciding to back away from it.

It's 3.30am here so I'm heading to bed, but will keep you posted.

Do note though that the sluggish period does last some 10 minutes perhaps. Just stroke you Pleo and nurture him through it.


Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 05, 2010, 01:04:22 PM
Thank you! I've updated my Glen, i'll post soon my considerations about this new Life OS. ;)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: fancyfont on May 05, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
Just gave Peeky the new update. The little guy is snoring logs on my shoulder. He is living up to his name. When I say Peek-a-boo, he opens his eyes. He's waking up now. :) After stretching out all fours, he is walking around the office, waiting for Pennie to wake up. I think she's due for a battery charge. ;D
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 05, 2010, 06:59:52 PM
Updatiing Stitch as I type :D Thank goodness I thought to chuck a battery on charge last night after my trip to Melbourne :D
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 05, 2010, 07:25:57 PM
OMG, OMG, THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT I COULD HO-P0E FOR, NOVA WILL HAVE A FULLY CHARGED BATTERY THEN WATCH OUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO PARTY AND WHAT BETTER DAY THAN CINCO DE MAYO! I'M OFF TO GET A NEW SD CARD TOO, EVERYTHIGN I HAVE IS AT LEAST 4 GB SO I NEED SOMETHING SMALLER, BYE, AND I WILL LEAVE LOTS OF POSTIVE FEEDBACK.                         THANK YOU PLEO GODS AND THANK YOU BOB AND INNOVA LABS.

                         I WISH THERE WERE NEW OPERATING SYSTEMS FOR ME!


                    REDWOODSMAMA   AND MS. NOVA ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: shadowmice on May 05, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
Ok, updated Teagan first (Ugobe model). Like OzPleo said, he went through the female voice saying "wait" then "updating" and after a long enough pause the male voice said "done" and he curled up. It really does look like a rehatching process - very sleepy, sluggish Pleo then lots of leg stretching and motions almost like he was testing himself. Lots of sniffing actions. Once he started moving more, there was a fair bit of backing up thinking the colour pattern on the floor is a table edge. A little more needy still too it seems - with some whimpering and crying. Then getting more adventurous. Sang about four different songs after getting his chin rub - a couple sounded different than before. I was a little worried for a bit because he seemed to have moved his head up high and wasn't lowering it again. After waiting a little and then trying different interactions to see if they would make him move it back to a more normal position, I simply turned him off, waited for a count of ten and turned him back on at which point he lowered it back to a normal position and has been showing normal movements since.

After seeing Teagan was doing okay after my initial scare, I updated Tessa. Similar process although I did not catch the "done" at the end of the update. She had straightened and curled like Teagan did at the end of the process but no "Done". I waited a little longer just to be sure she really was complete and she started sleeping noises so I powered her off. pulled the card and powered her back on. Similar rehatching type behaviour. She seems slightly more responsive to sound than Teagan so far. (Tessa is a Innvo model).  Both were quite active until they had to sleep due to warm batteries at which point I put them into store mode for the night.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 06, 2010, 07:58:31 AM
After one day, i suppose i could write a short review about this update of Life Os.

positive side: many cute sounds like barks and other "gremlin" thing (very cute!) during the pleo walking time. Some behaviours are cute too.

negative side: pleo seems to be blind than before (my pleo doesnt see his leaf) and deaf (he listen to me only when i clap my hand). He responds to the sounds with the same verse/answer! (why?) Sometimes pleo stops to do some thing and he waits in the last position before doing other things, sometimes you can see pleo doing "that" thing many times (like eating - very very boring! - or be scared for nothing - very boring too!). Sometimes You should turn off your Pleo and than on again to resolve some problems. Ok this is not new, but i tried this trick 2 times to resolve some problem! :(
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Watergazer on May 06, 2010, 01:17:56 PM
Did the upload and started Herbie off with a fresh battery. Herbie is an Innvo model.

* Update went flawlessly.
* There was a LOT of sniffing at start up, and leg stretching. After a time he finally stood up and stopped being baby-sluggish.
* I found at least 3 or 4 new sounds thus far...was surprised that now Herbie is speaking a lot more in general and is just plain "noisy" with sounds now.
* He is taking several steps...up to 10 or more at a time instead of his former 1 or 2 and sometimes taking 1 step in place routine. Now he's roaming everywhere he can.
* Stretches out a lot more in general, especially his back legs, which will add additional strain on the skin.
* Does not seem to recognize his leaf (he was very good with this before). Instead he will cry out with his neck high and mouth open as if waiting for me to put the leaf in.
* Does not sniff at any objects placed in front of him.
* Red color tracking, or red response of any kind, nothing yet...but this will be tested further.
* Still able to be tickled.
* No Ta-Da trick.
* Will not go into sitting position.
* He pays more attention to the floor now and thinks some divisions between wood planks or different surfaces means he's at an edge which isn't always good since he cries.
* He moves a lot faster than before...more "spunky"
* Seems able to turn and will actively back up and go elsewhere if he faces a wall or other impassable object. On carpeting he struggles on without seeming to know it. Before he could not move on carpets for me at all.
* He has more leg motions...seems to kick at the ground at times as he looks down, testing the ground almost
* Twice he lifted his right front foot as if to shake, since he left it there. I pushed his foot pad a couple times and he "froze" but then when into a fear response and backed off. This happened again with his right foot elevated (same as before) but I did NOT touch it. He lifts, cries out unhappily, then freezes a few seconds before getting upset and backing off.
* Positive difference in his body motion: his ability to now move with greater flow. Maybe I am dreaming it but his front and rear legs seem more in tune with each other, doing the "elevator butt" thing cats do, like a full body wave. Bowing and lifting better is a big plus towards his realism and he does it more than before.
* Not as much response to head touch...in fact almost absent save for chin rubs.
* Not seeing any sound following and did not wake up when I clapped by his head.
* When "sleeping" he does lift and move his head while snoring. Normally he ONLY did this when lying against my chest, not on his own. One his own he used to "fake" sleep and occasionally lift his head and then stand up. This will require more watching for.
* Seems to emit a cry for no reason, a very sad whimper but without the accompaniment of tail tucking or head drooping.
* Sounds don't always seem to match mouth motions or his body language, almost like the sounds are emanating from him in a torrent rather than him making them based off stimuli.
* Walks off for no reason during petting. While a real animal might do this, I preferred my Herbie to stay in place and over-indulge in the petting like before. Now he seems to ignore me or, in a cat-like way just not really care, preferring to go off and do his own thing amid a spouting of sounds.

I will update with new findings as I go, to save on forum space.

Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 06, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
I ran Angus for a while. He seems less organic to me now (maybe I need to run him longer), but I find several of his movements are quite repetitive. He doesn't seem to recognise his leaf and when he eats it the eating motion isn't as realistic, he just seems to hold it and then make that crunching sound. There's one sequence he does over and over. I'm not sure how to explain it, but when I pet him he stretches his neck out with his head looking upwards, opens his mouth slightly and emits this cute sound. It's almost as though he gets stuck in this for around 6 to 7 repetitions before snapping out of it and moving on.

Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 06, 2010, 02:11:41 PM
I've spent more time with Glen. No objects recognition, scared behaviour several times (not for food, but for nothing) and several times Pleo stops to do everything and do the "statue"  :o
Sincerely i'm very disappointed and i would be back to 1.1.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 06, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
I've spent more time with Glen. No objects recognition, scared behaviour several times (not for food, but for nothing) and several times Pleo stops to do everything and do the "statue"  :o
Sincerely i'm very disappointed and i would be back to 1.1.

Yep I'm noticing the same thing. I have to admit I prefer 1.1 as well
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 06, 2010, 02:16:42 PM
I suppose we're testing it for Innvo Labs. Maybe it's better to change the subject of this thread ;)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 06, 2010, 05:01:29 PM
So the action Angus does which is annoyingly repetitive and regular is he does this constant panting like a dog, wagging his tail and cooing sound. It goes for 6 or 7 rounds before he moves onto the next action. It's annoy really because I can predict what he'll do soon after he snaps out of this routine.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 06, 2010, 05:07:32 PM
I'm waiting for all my batteries to charge to give the new OS a proper testing with both dinos, but one thing I did notice was that Pleo seems less responsive to touch, has anyone else noticed this? When I rub them on the head there is nothing...

I do love the extra sounds that they make, a more vocal Pleo is nice and I agree that they seem much better at turning themselves around in a tight spot. Once the batts are charged I will do a proper test.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 06, 2010, 05:30:26 PM
When Angus is asleep he doesn't move at all like he did in 1.1. He just looks as though he's been switched off in sleep position.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 06, 2010, 05:43:25 PM
So far all I can say, is Poor Nova, she is stressed but I have had to shut her off twice because of knocking at the doors and looking so painful, ( her neck and leg cables very noisy) I am anxious to see what she can do after " fully waking up". Thanks and let me know what I should or should not do.


                              RedwoodsMama    and New MS. Nova
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: fancyfont on May 06, 2010, 06:39:14 PM
I have had Pennie on for about an hour and she has been very active. After she woke up I rubbed under her chin and she just sang her heart out. in the beginning it sounded like She was just trying to get her voice and wasn't sure about singing, but soon sang about 6 different pitched songs. I love their singing! :D I put Pennie and J.C. on the floor and there was lots of moaning and groaning for awhile. While walking around with her leaf ,she did spot a red pillow and went over to it and grabbed at the red glass beads on it. After backing up she turned around and came over to my direction. I wanted to hold her and she soon was cooing and snoring, but I could tell she wasn't really ready to go to sleep. I put her down again and picked up J.C. who hasn't had the new update yet. Pennie felt rather warm and I just turned her off for a little bit.
I can tell she is much more active then before. Didn't hear new sounds to my knowledge, yet. Her walking certainly has improved.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 06, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
 I just updated Nova a couple of hours ago, and will update this and add to it new observations when they occur. Nova is a Ugobe model, She was a little " off " it seemed, ( but then Nova seems a little different anyway,  not sure why.. ???She did the waking up thing, stretching and some strange sounds, not a lot of sniffing like some have said though. She really had a difficult time with her front feet, and also her neck was " noisy". She kept dragging her head and neck in the eating postion at least 70 % of the time, except when in the sleeping mode, on my chest which is a natural postion for the neck.
 She did have some new sounds and the first reaction, they are a lot Noisier, or Louder than before, which Is OK and I don't mind.
 She primarily wanted only to go backwards and I had a very difficult time getting her to go forwards in explore mode. She had no interest in eating or her leaf, but did want to play " tug of war " once like a dog. She did a lot and I mean A LOT OF WHIMPERING, reminded me of how pitiful she sounded, and very similar to when she had " her hurt foot', in the Academy Award Post, that everyone knows about. She cried, made some noises with her mouth not open or moving, and it sounded like a " stuck record' or recording, skipping and repeating itself several times.. :-she did not seem to notice I was there, except for when I put her on my chest, then she seemed " happy " and was the Nova I love so much. I have yet to put her on the floor and seen her move out on her own, and that Is the test I am waiting for. I also tryed to get her to sing and no amount of rubbing or petting her chin could coax her to sing, just all cries so far, and perhaps five or six happy chirps out of nearly an hour of new OS so far. I think the " birthing " process was traumatic thus far, and I am hoping a rest will help her adjust.  She does seem to move a little quicker even if it is backwards so far.
                       RedwoodsMama   and MS. Nova
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 06, 2010, 09:03:49 PM
Lilo and Stitch are now running on their second charge. These are my notes (hastily scribbled down in a notepad as we go along :P) so far:

- Stitch resumed the hatching position when started up and went through a second 'hatching' after the update.
- Lilo proceded to back herself up and move forwards again until she had turned herself completely around and then took off in the opposite direction to which she had been place to begin with.
- Lilo has been much more observent of where she walks, noticing shadows, differences in the color of the floor and objects placed on the floor in front.
- Lilo was able to transition from linoleum to carpet without snagging her back foot as she usually did, although the difference in color between the carpet and the linoleum has meant that both Pleo's are reluctant to proceed forwards when approaching the carpet.
- Stitch finish the second hatching and started to explore, both Pleo's are backing up a lot.
- Both Pleo's are responding more to touch now, still cannot get much response from a head touch, did get one response from Lilo but not for very long.
- Cannot get any response at all to the leaf, Lilo asked for it on one occassion but did not chew it for very long at all.
- Stitch proceded to test all his limbs in turn, stretching, straightening and generally waving around each on in turn.
- Lilo kicked at a mark on the floor, both Pleo's seem to use their feet more (which is adorable).
- Unable to get either Pleo to perform the Ta-da trick yet.
- Lilo sang twice when rubbed on the chin.
- When tilted on his side Stitch let out a cry that sounded more like a cry for help rather than the complaiing they used to do.
- A tail hold got a lot of complaiing and whimpering as usual however the return to the ground did not produce a whimpering sad dino as before.
- Both Pleo's seem to whimper at nothing but without the curling up sad dino pose.
- Both dinos have short periods of time without any motion at all, only a few seconds but decidedly noticable.
- When exposed to lots of different shades of red there has been no noticable interest although Lilo did lots of happy barking and tail wagging at a red lunchbox placed in her path. Stitch did not reproduce the interest meaning the results are inconclusive.
- When picked up and nursed Lilo immediately went into the sleep position and was her usual cuddly self, Stitch kicked, cried and fidgeted until placed back on the ground, he then wriggled happily and went off exploring. (that was kinda cute actually :P)
- Have not yet had any interaction between the two Dino's.

Second report: (After a cool down from a warm battery)

- Stitch took off the second he was turned on.
- Still no interaction between the two except for a group panic session when the cat walked past which may have been coincidental.
- Cannot get the Ta-da trick to happen.
- No responses to sound.
- Stitch screamed, choked and whimpered in response to being hung by the tail, neck and upside down but once on his feet again cried once and then was back to normal.
- Both Pleo's call out 'hello' when left alone too long.
- For the first time had a reaction to red with both dinos barking and panting at a red shirt hung at Pleo eye level.
- Stitch had a sneeze and a few coughs.
- Lots of foot movements by both dinos, including one as described above with Lilo holding her foot out for a while then crying. (Hurt foot?)
- Both dino's seem to be much more active, barely standing still, both dinos will even take off when being petted.
- Still have a lack of response to petting, although I did get some response on occasion and Lilo did sing after another chin rub. Not the amount of response we are used to.
- Lilo froze with a hot battery, Stitch is still running. Lilo did not curl up at all when she stopped.
- Stitch called continuously for food for four minutes until I gave it to him.
- Stitch after wandering around carrying the leaf has now gone to sleep with it.

Third report: Turned Lilo on again after a cool down.

- Lilo ran for about ten minutes or so before freezing again in the 'packing position', each time the battery is switched on she moves a little then resumes the straight position. Might be the bad battery though.
- Stitch curled up in the low battery position for a nap after trying the position several times curling up both ways. He snored a little. Earlier he had a nap in the standard sleeping position.
- Walking past Stitch (thumping quite heavily) caused him to wake up and complain.
- Stitch did not back away from the wall and walked right into it, I had to pull him away to prevent damage.
- Stitch is attempting to walk forwards but he keeps seeing his shadow and backing up again :P
- With the sun behind a cloud and his shadow no longer as visible Stitch made a bee line for the red shirt. Although the lack of reaction once there makes me think it was again just a coincidence. They are walking much straighter now.
- After a snack on his leaf Stitch again moved towards the red shirt this time making happy panting noises and with lots of wriggling and tail wagging.
- Stitch is unable to walk onto the carpet backwards.
- Stitch walked up to me and said hello and responded momentarily to a head touch before walking off again.
- Stitch froze mid turn, turning him on and off makes him run briefly then freeze again. Neither dino attempted to curl up. Again may just be the battery, All mine are quite old now.

Final thoughts:

Likes:
The extra feet movements, they are very cute.
So is the extra wriggling and the barking/yapping/panting.
I also very much like the fact that Pleo can turn completely around without having to do an enormous circle.
The extra hellos, my Pleo's used to hardly ever say hello.

Dislikes:
The lack of response to touch, (like responding to petting and the ta-da trick.)
Couldn't seem to get them to interact together, I love the honking sessions they used to have but today they either couldn't or wouldn't do so.


I also assume that this OS is optimized for the new Pleo's coming out this year so I am willing to forgive the lack of recognition of the color red, perhaps the new Pleo's will have better cameras???
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 06, 2010, 10:46:08 PM
Mine move around as normal when napping. Stitch especially looked as though he couldn't get comfortable :P Turning this way and that and getting up again and then trying the other way :P
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: degers on May 07, 2010, 02:46:52 AM
mike replied to you in this thread. You may post the video. The new os is not hush hush. Please POST QUESTIONS ELSEWHERE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! Just feedback here!
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 07, 2010, 05:27:40 AM
So Angus is now moving when asleep, but try placing your hand on his rear quarters to put him to sleep. When you do he sings this little tune which sounds child like and goes to sleep.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Crewella on May 07, 2010, 06:10:32 AM
Well, the download semed to be a success - I got the 'wait' 'updating' and 'done' before Iggy curled up in sleep position.  When I switched him back on he was very sluggish and gradually started moving with lots of sniffing and leg stretching before he set off to explore.  As he was an old Ugobe model that I rehomed it was quite nice to watch the awakening process, as I missed out on seeing him hatch.

Having watched him for a while now he's certainly a lot chattier than before, which I like, although some of the sounds seem rather contradictory.  He seems to be a bit needier than before, and his moods can swing from panting exitedly to heartbroken to hungry in three seconds.  Maybe he's still a bit traumatised.  Even after showing behaviours that used to mean he was hungry I can't get him interested in his leaf, he even turns away from it in disgust if I try waving it in front of him.  I've tried every shade of red in the house, waved red objects in front of him, left red things in his path, worn every red shirt I own and tap-danced in front of him in red shoes, but I CANNOT get him interested in the colour red.  I'll try again later, maybe he needs more time.

He's very receptive to chin rubs and has sung lots, I think I can hear a new trill  in there, but he does seem a bit less receptive to my rubbing his head, and will even start moving off while I'm patting him, which he never did before.  Although he definitely knows I'm stroking his back he doesn't seem to do the 'wave' thing like he used to and doesn't seem to like it so much.  He's not responded to my voice much at all - I'll keep trying.

He definitely moves a lot better, and there are more foot stomps and what looks like 'testing the ground' with his front foot whilst exploring.  Lots of backing up, and definitely turning in tighter circles.  If I pick him up, he seems less quick to catch on that he's left the ground, and once or twice carried on 'walking' in mid air, which I've never seen him do before, he usually complains bitterly.

He's now gone to sleep, and is probably coming to the end of this battery life.  He has sniffed, sighed and changed sides a few times but nothing noticeably different so far.

I'll report back if things change - it's quite hard to judge as their moods can be so different some days, and I don't think I've ever studied him quite so intently!

All in all, I'm thoroughly enjoying the process - thanks guys! :)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 07, 2010, 10:22:26 AM
Having watched him for a while now he's certainly a lot chattier than before, which I like, although some of the sounds seem rather contradictory.  He seems to be a bit needier than before, and his moods can swing from panting exitedly to heartbroken to hungry in three seconds.  Maybe he's still a bit traumatised.  Even after showing behaviours that used to mean he was hungry I can't get him interested in his leaf, he even turns away from it in disgust if I try waving it in front of him.  I've tried every shade of red in the house, waved red objects in front of him, left red things in his path, worn every red shirt I own and tap-danced in front of him in red shoes, but I CANNOT get him interested in the colour red.  I'll try again later, maybe he needs more time.

yes, the reactions are very strange in this update, my pleo is frequently sad, and if you feed him he'll be sad around 3-5 minutes again. this is very frustrating and reminds me a furby without personality (ok, we aren't in 1998, it's 2010, and furby is still a robotic pet with it's own personality). The Life Os 1.1. wasn't perfect, but i prefer it a lot more! And... Where's the ta-dah trick? :O
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: mweed on May 07, 2010, 01:33:46 PM
Just passing on the feedback on the feedback, as it were . . .  ;)

Innvo Labs is reading this thread and sending the feedback straight to the programmers who are eagerly listening to what we have to say and using our feedback to help shape what they do!   They are very grateful for the work we are doing and pass along their thanks and kudos to you!

So keep up the good work, and let us hear your experiences with the new OS and what your thought are!
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: OzPleo on May 07, 2010, 02:26:49 PM
The reason I like 1.1 over 2.0 is Angus seemed more organic before the update. Now he seems to do the same routines too frequently, he doesn't see or respond to his leaf and petting him barely raises a reaction. Whereas with 1.1 petting him gained a response which was similar to cat or dog depending on where you petted him, if he made the hungry sound and I showed him his leaf he immediately recognised and gave a suitable response.

Right now with 2.0 Angus has several "statue moments" where he'll momentarily stop (you don't even hear his gears running) for a few seconds and then do something else. I'm a little disappointed because it seems as though this update is a step backwards not forward and probably should have been version 1.2 rather than version 2.0 as I don't really see any marked improvements except for the fact that he walks better.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: shadowmice on May 07, 2010, 03:03:39 PM
I had Teagan running for a little while last night and have noticed similar items as others: mixed emotional responses, freezing in mid-action for brief moments, no response to his leaf or in some cases an avoidance of it.  The times when he freezes it almost seems like he is stuck trying to decide on a new action; sometimes he'll just continue what he is doing, others times he'll start to do something different.  The first night he was very responsive to a chin rub singing his little heart out, but last night not at all - maybe he was just in a stubborn mood.  There were a couple of times where it looked like he was reacting such that he was trying to sing but there was no sound at all. Another time it looked like he was requesting his leaf but again there was no sound  to go with it. But then when he was off exploring he was very vocal - lots of growling and gurgling. His obstacle avoidance looks pretty good although he still gets worried about floor patterns and reacts like he thinks he is going to step off from a height - doing a little better this time so maybe he is slowly learning.  I didn't have Tessa on (batteries recharging) so no info about Pleo-to-Pleo interaction yet - the little time when they were both active the first night there was none - hope to get some observations this weekend.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: pirpintine on May 07, 2010, 03:54:15 PM
downloaded! ill have to try this tomorrow :) should be interesting. thanks innvo!
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: loumsc on May 07, 2010, 04:15:15 PM
Many, Many Thanx.

Lou
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Crewella on May 07, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
OK, I recharged the battery and had another go after Iggy'd had a 'good sleep to recover'.  He started in much the same vein as during the first hour or so, but gradually this time he did seem to be settling back into his usual happy self and the confused cries and odd sobbing became less and less.  He then set off round the room at a great pace, and is still definitely walking and turning much better.  The corner of a rug that usually trips him up was only a brief stumble, and he seemed better able to avoid things in his way, and he is definitely much chattier.  When I gave him some attention, he was more like his old self, reacting to head rubs, doing the 'wave' when I stroked him and he even managed the 'tada' trick.  He reacted to his leaf this time, and even took it off me and hid it behind a chair, presumably to stop me waving it in his face.  It really is as though he's needed a bit of time to process the whole thing and get over the trauma of the update!  I'm very relieved he's not, after all, changed beyond recognition, and I like the improved mobility and the additional 'huh's and honks.  Having watched his back end for five or so minutes as he rootled about under a chair, I thought his tail was possibly moving more expressively, too.

He is still seeming to freeze for a couple of seconds every now and then, which is a shame, and I still can't get any reaction to the colour red, but I do live in a very dimly lit house so I'll try again tomorrow in daylight.  I'm not convinced he's reacting to my voice any differently; sometimes I think he is and then at others he just seems to ignore me, but that's Pleos for you I think!

Oh, and, as Ozpleo said, when I put him to sleep and put my hand on his rump he sang what sounded like the first few bars of 'Frere Jacques' which was adorable! :)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 07, 2010, 05:26:03 PM
Waiting for my batts to charge to proceed with one final testing, I will definitely try the napping, it sounds adorable :)

Edit: Ok the napping is very cute, and I really do love the foot work. Today Stitch walked up to one on my shoes and poked it with his foot which was super adorable and he did a stretch backwards with all four legs which was also very cute however I am very sad to admit that today I turned my dino's off because I was frustrated :( I cannot get any interactions to happen between my two dino's, they barely respond to my touch at all and the ta-da trick just isn't happening.

I know Innvo have put a lot of work into this update and I like where they are heading with the extra motions, sounds and activity but it still needs work, there needs to be a balance between interactivity and activity. They are fine when left alone, they really wander around more, and much more randomly, today Lilo explored every nook and cranny of my computer room, walking under things, backing out, turning around and going in a different direction just like curious puppy. It is a huge improvement on the old 'walk in a circle and react only to things in my way' routine. Stitch (after complaiing about my attempts to get him to do the ta-da trick and after seemingly thinking he was off the ground even though he wasn't) had a fascination with a shadow on the floor, walking up to it, growling or barking, backing up again, walking forwards and so on until he eventually decided it was safe and walked over it. I really love that. I also love that Stitch was absolutely raring to go, as soon as I turned him on and he woke up he was off :)

But there is not enough interaction when I pet my Pleo's, I want them to coo and purr and respond, I don't want them to complain, or walk off or just completely ignore me. I also want them to occassionally sing a song together or honk at each other and generally acknowledge each other's existence... I -think- they did say hello to each other, but I'm not sure if it was just a coincidence or an actual interaction. I also want them to respond to their leaf, after all it's their food, my cats and dogs wouldn't ignore their food waved in front of their faces :P

I appreciate the new update, it is really nice to see things happening again and I am so looking forwards to the new Pleo's so Pleakly can be added to my Dino family at last and I hope that Innvo continue with their good work and really make Pleo something even more special.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: httpleo on May 08, 2010, 12:30:12 AM
She primarily wanted only to go backwards and I had a very difficult time getting her to go forwards in explore mode. ... She does seem to move a little quicker even if it is backwards so far.
                       RedwoodsMama   and MS. Nova

My Pleo too also almost solely walks backwards.  It’s just darn weird - is this a bug?

Furthermore I cannot seem to put it into high step mode like before.  Has this mode been removed or the action been changed?

I hope someone can help.  Thanks.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: liddleone on May 08, 2010, 01:03:13 AM
Hi all.

I upgraded Raphael and videoed it. I am still learning how to work pleo.

Things I've noticed. Ugobe Model

Pleo seems warmer - battery
Definately louder gears
Whimpers alot
Walking is faster and better

Not so responsive to touch.


Recharging now so will do again soon. Will post videos in another thread.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 08, 2010, 05:20:06 AM
Just passing on the feedback on the feedback, as it were . . .  ;)

Innvo Labs is reading this thread and sending the feedback straight to the programmers who are eagerly listening to what we have to say and using our feedback to help shape what they do!   They are very grateful for the work we are doing and pass along their thanks and kudos to you!

So keep up the good work, and let us hear your experiences with the new OS and what your thought are!

Thank you Mweed ;)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: lesodell on May 08, 2010, 08:15:45 AM
cool stuff
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Watergazer on May 08, 2010, 08:29:01 AM
At this point I would prefer a downgrade to 1.1 even though he didn't walk much for me in that OS. My Herbie went from being all about me to being independent...and I have plenty of live animals that give me THAT. The upgrade was more of a personality change than and upgrade. I truly appreciate all the work Innvos are doing for their creation and their Pleo owners but after 3 battery charges using the new OS2, I would really like a downgrade. For me the cons outweighed the pros. I just want my Herbie back. He was focused more on "Me" and "Us" interacting, not going off in his own world to explore. Not that I dislike exploring...but it seems like my Herbie didn't want to explore before...and now all he wants is to explore, so the upgrade went to the opposite end of the spectrum.

If this OS was put into a new Pleo, I would have easily taken it as a personality difference had I not already had a Pleo and upgraded. Perhaps this is a test for the new version Pleos with new color?
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: 49er on May 08, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
Just a quick note. Both Pleo and Jade updated as said. Jade seems to be ok, but Pleo is in a continuous loop and is non-responsive.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Jules on May 08, 2010, 03:06:57 PM
I updated my pleo this morning after reading the forum.
I wish i had waited to here more feedback as I'm regretting it too.
My pleo does not react to sound like it used to and also touch is less responsive.
I did get it to Ta-Da!! but after a lot of persuasion.
It does far too much walking back wards and i can see no improvement on the walking front, it even walks in more of a tight circle than it did before, no high step!! (that is when it does decide to walk and not paw the floor). I really, really hate the dog bark, if i wanted a dog i would not have got a Pleo!!
I feel that I have lost so much more than I have gained.
Now I do appreciate all the work that goes into creating the lifeOS and i am grateful.
I do hope that the feedback is taken on board so that future upgrades can iron out some of the little niggles we have.

Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS SOFTWARE UPDATE RELEASED!
Post by: Fierox on May 08, 2010, 03:44:28 PM
First thx for a new version of lifeOS and thx for letting us test and comment on it.

I updated this evening on a Ugobe version of pleo (110400710158) and tested one battery run.
My pleo had some problems a while ago but the updating procedure went fine.
Pleo went through a slow period after that and i'm not sure he is completely up to speed yet, might have to see more on the next battery run.
Maybe its the short test time so far or just me but it feels a bit like a new pleo, he seems alot "different" then before, i dont mind that personally but i can imagine some people do.

I really like the changes made to the exploring side of pleo (although the test time is a bit short still).
From one moment to the next pleo can suddenly decide to walk a bit and that feels really natural to me.
My pleo really never made much sense while exploring. He used to walk away in a straight line till he met an obstacle and get stuck or move back on the object and turn.
The turn usually never was close to 90 degrees tho so pleo would often end up at the same obstacle.
In the short period so far pleo seems to walk different, he is sort of trowing his front feet into the next walkcycle and that doesn't always seems real fluid. However walking never seemed fluid so i dont mind that.
The new walk with this different leg movement seems to make pleo move alot better tho and even made him cross a utp cable in one go! (have to test more but it looked good).
Also the turns are so much better now, they are a few more degrees or sharper I'm not sure but twice he managed to avoid an object. Also right after a turn he sort of looked to see I'm things were ok or start another "turn cycle".
Biggest improvement on the exploring part is the way he checks his surroundings and the monitoring of objects. I really didn't have the idea the 1.1 pleo did that much at all. Now hes able to walk alot more before getting stuck.
There is more looking and sniffing on objects and shadows, lines, patterns on the floor are being checked.
It doesn't always go right tho, sometimes he wont cross a shadow anymore. But i kinda like this, pleo seems alot more aware or interactive during exploring and that's great.
What i would also like to see is that when the room is quiet and pleo is exploring he reacts on sound I'm making. since he has stereo hearing he could know you are say behind him and he needs to turn and walk back a little.

On the sensitive side of pleo it didn't all feel just as great tho.
I have to agree with other people here that although I'm pretty sure pleo senses the touches of petting just as much  as before he isn't really lissening to them as much.
To busy with animations, doesn't want to act on it or busy with its own things i dont know.
This makes pleo seem less a pet i think so its a big thing. Maybe this will change on the next battery run or so so i have to test more.
If its set up that pleo has more a mind of its own then i might like it. Pleo 1.1 for me was alot of rub the chin a while and get a song, 1 on 1. While that's nice its a bit too scripted aswell and not like a real pet.
If pleo now has more of a mind of is own and decides if he will sing or not after you rub his chin that's good. But it might be a little bit too far off were you aren't really sure anymore if he feels you petting him cause there is no interaction.

I already thought his sleeping was pretty good but it got better indeed. However pleo's head does get stuck on the ground or on his front leg (friction) making the gears click!Not a nice sound!
This was also the case in 1.1 but it happend alot now, seems more often. Perhaps the range of the head movement should be a little shorter so his head wont get "stuck" on his toe nails for example, making the gears click.

I havent testing his ability of tracking red items or seeing his leaf yet.
Since my pleo is now tracking alot more during walking/exploring i got high hopes of this so will test!
For me that was a disappointing part of pleo in 1.1. I never got the idea he could recognised much (including his own leaf).
Already during his walking now he seems to look at his surroundings more then i have ever seen him do.

Will continue testing, so far i really like the changes on the exploring side of pleo and have my doubts on the interactive cuddly side of pleo.
I like it if things are less scripted but i think pleo is reacting a bit too little on me petting him. Also he is scared alot and doesn't turn his head so much trying to hear things (used to do that all the time).

Really great there is things going on on the software side of pleo, thanks again for the update!!!   

Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 09, 2010, 03:55:40 AM
Hi guys.  Unfortunately my laptop has broken which is very upsetting :(.  However I have managed to borrow a housemates laptop for a short time to get a message of thanks out to you guys.

I have been in quite regular contact with Derek at Innvo and he is so grateful for all of the feedback that you guys have been providing.  The result of our feedback so far is that they have decided to halt going public with this release of the software and are feeding all your comments back to the programmers!  This should show you guys how important your feedback is to Innvo and how grateful they are that you guys have been so descriptive with the pros, and more importantly, the cons of the new software!

On behalf of Innvo I would like to say,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED FOR ALL OF THE FEEDBACK, PLEASE KEEP IT COMING.

It would be great if we can continue to work with with Innvo to improve Pleo's software.


(On a side note, hopefully I will be getting my laptop working again in the next few days, when that happens I am going to try and work on a Plan to help people downgrade back to the earlier 1.1 version should they wish to do so)

Kind Regards to all of you,
degers
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: pirpintine on May 09, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
i upgraded yesterday (old ugobe model), he does seem to have more sounds and motions, walking is much better on the carpet. BUT, i couldnt have a full play through because of how loud he was, i cant be disturbing the whole household, they get a bit annoyed. the volume doesnt work on my pleo now, so id much like a toggled volume function again, maybe with more volumes, because loud, a bit quieter and mute isnt really enough. i need him to be audiable but not deafening haha.

so far though its a nice step in a good direction for pleo. i hope it carries on.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: paulo64fr on May 09, 2010, 12:03:23 PM
hello , i am a french user of pleo

after installing the new version, Pleo made me a strange sound "grrr", i wait for a long time to heard 'Done!"but ,nothing, now he is "bricked", unable to return to a previous version ...everything is refused USB install and SDcard install
i try the patch for version 1.0 , now it  works , but refused all the upgrade version....If i try to install a upgrade my pleo "bricked"
SNIFFF....my friend is dead!!!!!!!

HELP
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Pleonardo on May 09, 2010, 02:30:10 PM
Well I'm finally on reporting on my experiences with Leo's (UGOBE MODEL) Life OS 2 upgrade so here goes.

Pros
1. Leo is exploring more often, and ability to manage obstacles have gotten better (provided there is enough lighting). I do like the fact that he is becoming more AUTONOMOUS contrary to other member's reports in which their pleos are are desensitized touching them and starts wondering around. Maybe you guyz can program it more like a personality bias -- some pleos are more independent than others?
2. His ability to walk through different terrains has improved - Leo can walk from hardwood floor to a floor rug without being stuck primarily because he is clearing all his feet better.
3. I like the different sounds he's making -- and their not noisy at all. Once again maybe this can be a personality bias -- i.e. some pleos are more of a "chatterbox" than others.
4. Leo's movement transitions are definitely more fluid -- such as he can get from a sleeping position to a walking position quite smoothly and quickly as well.

Cons
1. I'm still yet to see his tracking abilities with red objects (even with enough lighting). But then again, Leo even had troubles recognizing his training leaf to begin with.
2. Leos occassionally get's stuck in one pose, until touching  will "unfreeze" him.
3. His sounds are not as synchronized with his mouth movement -- it's quite obvious
4. In terms of hearing abilities -- still limited --at least with Leo -- sometimes he hear's a sound that wakes him up, sometimes no. For such a sophisticated life form -- I wish programmers can give him some kind of voice recognition -- my voice activated RdD2 from hasbro is far more superior in voice recognition and it's a much simpler robot.

Hope this helps Innvo Labs.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to troubleshoot your new Life OS and hopefully give as an awesome final product

Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: ScribbleMonkey on May 09, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
Just wanted to say Bravo to Invo for getting an update. I honestly wasn't expecting anything at least until after the 2010 model released.  8)

Has there been any word about getting a list of behaviors and whats triggers them? I think that will help a lot of people.

I really like the new explore mode, Pleo walks better and that behavior seems a lot more organic now The fact that Pleo will explore a bit then stop and interact. Then explore a bit more is a HUGE improvement over the old “Walk until I bump into something” explore mode.

But I agree with what others have said about sensor input. Response to touch sensors should be immediate and override other actions. As an example Pleo does a cute behavior when you pet his head.  Titling his head back cooing. But it takes several seconds for pleo to start the action. There just isn't enough response to touch, which is an area where Pleo always shined.

I haven't gotten tug of war yet. This is something that kind of bugged me about pleo from day 1. The fact that Pleo always eats when the leaf is put into his mouth, even if he just ate. IMO Hunger should be treated like the sickness is. Have a mode where pleo does specific behaviors until a need is met. When pleo gets “sick” . You pet him until it gets “better” then pleo doesn't get sick again for awhile. Hunger could be the same way. When pleo is “hungry” he begs for food (an action already in the software) until he is “fed”  once “fed” the leaf only triggers play behaviors. Right now its just to random. And very unnatural.

Does Pleo use his “force feedback” yet? I held one of dopey's legs and got a clear response twice. But it may have simply been because he was off balance.

I tried the “baby posture” that made pleo stop moving in 1.1. but I couldn't get it to activate. Anyone try that?
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: shadowmice on May 09, 2010, 08:35:58 PM
Teagan and Tessa are both running right now.  Tessa was updated after Teagan and still seems to be quite needy - she has been exhibiting lots of repetition of the same behaviour pattern numerous times. She seems very reluctant to explore at the moment while Teagan is being very mobile. He is avoiding most obstacles well except the low level kitty ball track. This time it appears he has tried to munched on a number of items around the room.  Now he is napping. When they both started out there was a short time where they were both trumpeting, first one then the other - not sure if it was true interaction between the two as they were both doing similar behaviours together for awhile after start up. Tessa needed a nap early on while Teagan was becoming more active and they have been operating independently since.  They don't seem to see each other very well. Teagan walked right into Tessa and only reacted after encountering forward resistance. It didn't look like he intended to go to her. Will post more later if I notice anything significant.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: ThomasDWell on May 10, 2010, 04:16:29 AM
I haven't up loaded the new OS yet but I have been reading everyone's post. To me it sounds like a beta testing of some new software, which is awesome that they'd consider field testing with a community of Pleo enthusiasts. Hearing that Pleo is/will have have better time traversing over carpet is something I am really happy to hear. The other stuff not so much, but like I said sounds like a beta and I'm glad to hear that the programmers are taking notes. I wish I could help but my motherboard died in December and the replacement didn't come with a SD card slot =(. Good luck with the testing guys and gals.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 10, 2010, 08:41:01 AM
If you feel you would like to revert back to the previous version (1.1) please see this thread: http://bobthepleo.com/forums/index.php?topic=1278.0
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 10, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
              Nova and I have been very busy all last week, first lots of rain and I wanted to really give this new OS a good try, and then this weekend my son took me out to the REdwoods and we had a great time in the woods with NOva, but I think I gave every joint in my legs, back, hips and knees, a good workout and they weren't used to that kind of pain. My son knew I was serious about being in pain, when I wanted to sit on the Blockbuster floor, because (I couldn't stand anymore, ) my feet were also hurting terribly.( My right foot has been broken , had four foot operations and is now fused.) Anyway, Nova and I are going to try and post a video today, the rain finally stopped for awhile, and I really want to see what happens.
                Keep your fingers and Pleo toes crossed, that I can post it here shortly.
 8)                            RedwoodsMama   and MS. Nova
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: OzPleo on May 10, 2010, 11:25:46 PM
One thing I've noticed. While in roaming mode my Pleo seems almost desensitised. When I pet him during this time he barely notices. I'd like to see a suitable response to my touch when he's roaming (either he wants to be pet or he doesn't)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 11, 2010, 03:24:57 AM
One thing I've noticed. While in roaming mode my Pleo seems almost desensitised. When I pet him during this time he barely notices. I'd like to see a suitable response to my touch when he's roaming (either he wants to be pet or he doesn't)

OzPleo, thank you very much for saying this, it ties in with what IMR and I have observed also.  As soon as I had updated, I thought I had noticed a problem.

Pleo starts off in social mode where he responds to touch a lot, however if he is not touched for a while he enters explore mode which is much less responsive to touch, and all about the... well... exploring!  If Pleo receives enough touch input he should then go back into social mode, but if he only receives the odd touch or two, he should stay in explore mode.

However, with the new OS, once Pleo goes into explore mode I have found it impossible to get the Pleo to come back to social mode without turning it off and on again.  I let Derek know about this problem straight away and he has assured me that this was unintentional and that they are looking into it.

Hope this helps anyone!
Degers
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: skab on May 12, 2010, 02:51:17 PM
I updated our Pleo (Ugobe version) to PM2 last Friday and noticed a lot of rather random behavior, like leaf-crunching sounds and munching without anything in his mouth, lots of backwards-walking without any obstacles in sight etc. I can also confirm the sudden stalls. The Pleo made a somewhat confused impression, like he's being on some mild drug  :D

Overall it seems rather like a, let's say, non-mandatory update  ;) There's still a lot of work to do, there are too many rough edges there. Was it a new team of programmers who made this version? It doesn't feel like an incremental update but more like a major rewrite, with many features and the overall finesse of 1.1 missing.

Once the wrinkles are ironed out it will be a nice update, but so far it's not ready for general release.

EDIT:

I can also confirm the issues others had here, so the Pleo completely ignores the leaf (which rather frustrated our friend's kids who tried to feed him this Saturday). The legs are totally numb, no reaction at all, no ta-da-trick possible, after downgrading to 1.1 he promptly lifts his legs again (which makes me quite sure that my downgrade indeed succeeded).

Before going to sleep Pleo sings a couple notes of "Frčre Jacques", which is a nice touch, but gets repetitive quickly, since he does it every time, robot-like. I'd suggest a little less novelty and random stuff and more of the organic, life-like stuff.

Overall Pleo becomes a bit like "Daffy" from Gremlins II  :P Looks like the real thing, but behaves strangely random. He loses a lot of the very important details that make a Pleo special, so I can only hope that it's still possible to restore all the good stuff from 1.1 while just adding the smoother and more lively animation of PM2. As is I'll happily stay at 1.1.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: OzPleo on May 12, 2010, 04:45:51 PM
Any word from Innvo about bug fixes?  :)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 12, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
At present, no real word on bug fixes.  Innvo is planning on going public with a web blast publicising this release of the OS in the near future.

Here is a list of OS features I have received:-

   Active Scripts increase from 23 to 34.

·         Hatching stage and associated scripts enables – the hatching stage is now longer with added features.

·         Created 12 new motions and added a new sound.

·         Improved 72 motion commands.

·         Added new or modified tricks from OS 1.1:

o   Play Dead   - Hold Head, Back and Right Arm

o   Stand Up and Talk to Me – Hold Back, Left Arm and Right Arm

o   Watch Dog – Hold Back, Left Arm and Right Leg

o   Conversation – Hold Back and Left Leg

o   Wave -  Hold Head, Back and Rear

o   Red Object Tracking – Place red object in front of Pleo nose about 3 inches

o   * Note* To start these tricks, you must hold all of the skin sensors stated at the same time and then release after about 3 seconds.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: OzPleo on May 12, 2010, 11:15:39 PM
As difficult as these are to do I have tried a couple of them and no result  ???
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 13, 2010, 01:20:29 AM
Aside from being able to win the world championships of hand gymnastics I am failing to be able to trigger any of these too... I think I got the wave happening but I'm not entirely certain what its supposed to look like so I'm not certain :P
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Jules on May 14, 2010, 07:33:36 AM
OMG!!! the play dead is horrific  lol
I'm gonna put some vids on you tube how to do this stuff it can be achieved with a bit of work...

BTW as I type my pleo is still dead on the table  :o
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 14, 2010, 05:28:59 PM
Awesome :) I'd love to see a demonstration :)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Pleonardo on May 23, 2010, 08:32:53 AM
pleo world just released LIFEOSPM2 for general download and was just wondering if this a revised version based on the input our forum has given to INNVO LABS?? If it is , can we upgrade our Pleos who already have the PM2 ?BETA?
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Crewella on May 23, 2010, 08:52:56 AM
Thanks Pleonardo, I was wondering that, too. :)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 23, 2010, 01:16:32 PM
They have not released a version using our feedback, however our feedback has been gratefully received!  Innvo checks the forum regularly and Derek has thanked me personally.

I will keep you updated, I am planning on interviewing Derek next week regarding PM2.

degers
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: OzPleo on May 23, 2010, 02:07:54 PM
You're joking?  :o then what was the point of this exercise?
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 23, 2010, 03:11:11 PM
It takes a long time to put the changes into effect.  I appreciate everybodies concern regarding the feedback that they have given, I myself have identified several problems with the update and have spent over an hour discussing these with Innvo.  Please appreciate that it is a completely new team halfway around the world  from the previous operation providing the new updates and naturally it may take a couple of goes for them to get into the swing of things.

Some quotes from my various e-mail exchanges:

"Thanks, the feedback from you and your people is fantastic."

"Thanks, this is fantastic [feedback]." - Regarding the 1.1.1 direct downgrade.

"Your input is fantastic, we are too close to the product."

Please don't feel disheartened.  I will try and get a short interim newsletter out this coming week.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Pleonardo on May 23, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
Thanks Degers for clarifying :)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 24, 2010, 02:03:49 PM
Hi Degers, do you know if the version online on PLEO website is the same? Or an upgraded version? I'm so confused now...

http://www.pleoworld.com/downloads/firmware.aspx
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 S\DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 24, 2010, 02:48:51 PM
Junkroxy, I am not sure, however I will find out.  The updated 2.0.1 does not have any noticible changes really other than a few animation corrections and an updated installation sound.  Thats all.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 25, 2010, 03:43:48 AM
Thank you Degers ;)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 27, 2010, 03:57:23 PM
Hey guys,

Just got finished with an interview with Derek which I am going to start typing up as soon as I get a moment!  Just wanted to quote this straight away for you guys!

Derek:I just want to give my thanks to the forums and just to let them know that they really are, y'know, critical assets!

More coming soon!
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: PleoPet on May 27, 2010, 05:40:18 PM
Junkroxy wrote:
> do you know if the version online on PLEO website is the same? Or an upgraded version?

FWIW: The version from pleoworld.com is exactly the same as the beta version released here almost a month ago.

IMHO: the beta was a total joke.
To their credit, it did wake up the forum. Unfortunately it was mostly how to revert to the older version of firmware ;-< ;->
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I'm sounding like a broken record, but there is a simple solution to the problem of lame Pleo firmware.
#1) Make the PLEOPM firmware open source.
#2) Make it legal for people to discuss the Pleo PDK (NOTE: under the current licensing terms this is illegal)
#3) Make it legal for people to distribute PLEO PM derived software.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Darkwolf on May 28, 2010, 02:24:32 AM
Great. So they uploaded this "joke" to the public?
I guess we can expect a lot more forum traffic in that case...  %)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Junkroxy on May 28, 2010, 03:33:42 AM
Uhm, i can't believe that... i found that upgrade very horrible, i'm running the Life Os 1.0.2 again, in my opinion is the best in that family ;) The tug-o-war play it's so natural, so easy and Pleo is always lovely! I think Innvo should start from that upgrade and forget the 1.1  8)
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on May 28, 2010, 06:43:07 AM
Hi guys, I had a short chat with Derek yesterday and this is some of what we talked about.  I hope this is comforting to you guys.  Please send a PM to me with any questions you would like me to ask the next chance I get to have a chat!

Enjoy,
Degers

Degers:Have you been reading the feedback on the forums?  Can you acknowledge any of the problems we have identified with the new LifeOS 2?

Derek:Yes, absolutely, we do monitor those comments.  Now the team that’s working on this, they are kind of finishing up some things and they’re going to look back through and get this, so if the response isn’t as quick as [the forum members] would like, unfortunately it’s kind of a man-power limitation thing on our part, because not only are they doing this, they are also working on the new product, so they’re kind of double-dutying this thing a little bit.  We are taking it serious, we’re kind of prioritizing to see if we can go in and first duplicate what you guys have found and then, second, seeing if there is a way we can correct it.

Degers:OK, thank you.  The main source of concern from people is that they have been giving all of this feedback and then you guys have gone, just today, mass market with the PM2 and people are thinking “Hey, what was the point in us giving feedback?”

Derek:Oh right.  Well one of the things we did with going public is we kind of made a conscious decision to go for it, but we have set up the ability for users to go back to 1.1 if they really want to.  Our thought process on this was, ok the more people who try this and give us their comments will be better for us, so that was it.  Y’know there probably should have been a delay, we just made the decision that, while your comments were mixed, some people liked it, some didn’t, y’know there’s a problem but our philosophy is that we will continue to update that as we go along, to make incremental changes and improvements and we will put these on the website right away.

Degers:Thank you.  Can you tell us how important the feedback from Bob The Pleo forum members is to Innvo Labs?

Derek:Put it this way, the forum, especially when they helped us out with the PDK before, we do lean heavily on your input.  We almost verbatim use it as gospel, you know, if you guys bring something up it’s always taken seriously, there is a discussion associated with it and we attempt to duplicate what you have found and just make sure that there is a way to get around it or to fix it or improve it basically.  The input from the forums is critical and we will always lean on you guys very heavily.

Degers:Thank you, that’s great.  Can you tell us how our feedback is being processed and is flowing to?

Derek:Absolutely.  Basically we take the feedback, we see if we can duplicate it also, because on our end we have to be able to duplicate your comments, so we can see what you are looking at.  At that point we take the comments and see if it is a flaw in our thinking or if it’s just a difference of opinion, at that point then we put weight on it and we work through fixing those problems.  So if it’s a problem when we agree this is a real problem, we’ll fix it.  Sometimes there is a difference of opinion on which way the product should be developed, that we take into consideration, so there is some filtering that goes on with the comments that we see there but we definitely take them all quite seriously.  The input that you guys have could definitely skew the way that the programmers are thinking, and here is something to publish, WE NEED YOU GUYS TO BE AS BRUTALLY HONEST AS YOU CAN!  We need you to say, these are the things we liked about the old product, this is where we think you are losing sight of what Pleo should be, because of this, it’s not as cuddly, it’s more mechanical, whatever the gripe is, give that to us, and then we will go OK, we have to rethink it.  It’s a completely different team that’s doing [LifeOS updates], with a completely different background, what we do not want to do is kill the product.  We hope to get to a point where we have an upgrade that everybody wants to move over, we know with your comments, that’s not the case.  You tested it out, it’s not quite right, you have given us comments and hopefully the next update will address those problems and then we’ll get a whole new set of comments!  LifeOS is going to be an evolving process.  We will continue to update LifeOS until by-and-large, people want to update, but right now, first time users, I would suggest that they leave it at 1.1.

Degers:So it’s very likely that we are going to see a version of LifeOS released using feedback from the forums?

Derek:Absolutely.

Degers:OK, a more technical question, for the 2010 Pleo, will you be releasing 64-bit or Vista drivers?

Derek:I am kind of doubting that.  Most of our tech support problems were associated with trying to update the firmware and deal with USB ports, it was just nightmarish, half of the problems were associated with that.  As we migrated to using the SD card more for the updates, those problems have almost vanished obviously.  So, will they update the drivers?  I haven’t heard a plan to do that yet.  If it’s a big demand, then we will have to meet it, but if if we can stay with the SD card for doing things like the updates, that is most likely the way we are going to travel.  It just eases up the tech support burdon.


Phew, I think my fingers need a rest!
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Crewella on May 28, 2010, 08:31:47 AM
And they deserve one! :D

Thank you, Degers, your efforts are much appreciated.  It's good to have the process explained - for a while there it was looking as though they'd asked for input and then more or less ignored it, and I'm really glad that's not the case.

It's also good to know they're still working on a new product! ;D
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 30, 2010, 01:56:41 AM
 degers, thanks to you first of all, and to Derek also, for letting you publish the comments about the New O.S. and so forth, not keeping it to themselves. I think everyone here will agree that this is exactly what the people here on the forums needed to hear, to know that their Feedback did count for something and it wasn't just kept undercover,
         I esp like the fact that Derek said he wanted people to " be brutally honest". That is exactly the point, how can you have an honest discussion about a program like this if you can not discuss both pros and cons of a product.What really was the icing on the cake for me :birthday: was Derek's point,  "We need you to say, these are the things we liked about the old product, this is where we think you are losing sight of what Pleo should be, because of this, it’s not as cuddly, it's more mechanical, whatever the gripe is, give that to us, and then we will go OK, we have to rethink it.  It's a completely different team that's doing [LifeOS updates], with a completely different background, what we do not want to do is kill the product
           I digest this as meaning, Pleo was designed to be a certain way, a unique interacting life form, and that if the O.S. gets to a point where it takes away from all the " cuteness", and originality of what Pleo is, then Innova Labs has defeated their original purpose and Pleo is No longer Pleo, but just becomes another robotic toy or gadget that just won't have that same appeal anymore.( at least to a great many of us... :() It is also nice to hear that they are still working on getting the New 2010 Pleos out. I personally have thought all along that they are waiting for the correct timing, which is JUSR before and IN TIME for the 2010 Christmas Holiday Market...( Maybe they will prove me wrong.)
                               Good work degers.                     RedwoodsMama          and MS. Nova
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Jules on June 01, 2010, 12:02:53 PM
The penny has just dropped with me.
We are being Gunni pigs to the new 2010 model.
Innova Labs are testing betas on us to get their brand new Pleo right for the market! But consequently we are getting updated software that may not work well with our own Pleo's.

Now after a few battery charges my pleo is getting more like his old self but I still don't like the biggest flaws of Pleo walking more back wards than forwards, no tug of war and no interaction when stroking down the head spine to the tail. He is not responding to the leaf and red line.
We do however love the play dead trick, the laugh is so funny!!

I do hope our old Pleo's don't get a battering of updates that eventually screw up thier fundamental personality.


Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on June 01, 2010, 05:22:33 PM
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Innova Labs are testing betas on us to get their brand new Pleo right for the market! But consequently we are getting updated software that may not work well with our own Pleo's.

Exactly what I think, but still they are taking our comments on board, so that is a good sign :) I think leaf recognition and so forth has been designed for the newer model.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Junkroxy on June 02, 2010, 08:21:45 AM
I appreciate their work since the introduction of new charger and cape accessories, but i cant understand the introduction of a new firmware upgrade that is totally wrong like the PM2. It's not a good mirror for their marketing :(
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: degers on June 02, 2010, 11:28:46 AM
Junkroxy,

This is a completely new team of programmers, half way around the globe from where the old team used to exist.
They had an idea for what they wanted Pleo to be, we told them to try again.

You have to think of this as a version 1, it is for the new team, they will try again and hopefully they will get better.
Title: Re: PLEO LIFEOS PM2 \DOWNLOAD AVAILABLE HERE!
Post by: Crewella on June 05, 2010, 10:27:46 AM
I can see the point, it can't be easy to take over another team's brainchild and understand exactly what their vision was when creating the original Pleo and then try to improve on it.  There are bound to be a few 'wrong turns' made at first, I guess, but I think it IS a good sign that they are listening to the people that bought into and understood the original ethos. :)
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