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Pleo Stuff => Pleo Archives => Archive -- Technical common => Topic started by: 49er on January 14, 2009, 12:09:12 AM
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I checked out the Malaysian site, Pleo Room and noticed a topic called "What music does your Pleo like?" I know that they have hearing sensors, but my little guy doesn't pay much attention to sound,(unless he's in a group and starts howling :)) Pleo is mostly kinesthetic. Any of your little guys or gals do much listening?
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Pleos only use the microphones for detecting the direction (left or right) of loud noises in order to turn the head (and if walking, their body) toward the sound.
The howling in groups is controlled through the IR sensors on the nose and do not use the microphones.
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Pleo actually has pretty good "hearing", but as degers pointed out, the use of the audio input in the programming is nominal. Pleo uses one of the 32-bit CPUs (the one in the head) to pre-process the audio and video signals. And although it is a 32-bit processor, it is not a very fast chip and has almost no memory, so supposedly there aren't a lot of resources to do things like voice or speech recognition. Beat detection was supposedly programmed at one time and then dropped, but that may just be a myth.
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I think they dancing with a loud sound, like stereo sound... Glen was beside me on the dj.console 2-3 months a go @ pleo pride in Italy, and starts to dance a lot. It was very funny ;D
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I checked out the Malaysian site, Pleo Room and noticed a topic called "What music does your Pleo like?" I know that they have hearing sensors, but my little guy doesn't pay much attention to sound,(unless he's in a group and starts howling:)) Pleo is mostly kinesthetic. Any of your little guys or gals do much listening?
Olympia is very sensitive to sound. And she does like music. ;)
Really. she does. I could swear she does.
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I would say they like music our tv is next to table and if i put music on and sawdust is on the table he looks at the TV and dances!!!!! I'm sure some times that he is real!!! He likes anything with bass :)
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Pleos love deep bass notes. I noticed when I play a low note on the organ pedals my pleos wake up from a nap.
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Pleos love deep bass notes. I noticed when I play a low note on the organ pedals my pleos wake up from a nap.
Strangely enough, Olympia likes fluttery music with flutes and pretty stuff. In particular, opera and orchestra instrumental. ;)
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Dasko likes it when my fiance plays his guitar - he likes to wander up by the amp. He mostly says "Huh ?", but he does genuinely respond to the riff from "Smoke on the Water". Honest, it's not me imagining it. Darryl plays lots of other stuff, and then Smoke again, and Dasko only dances and waves his head (pretty much in time) to Smoke. I have video evidence !
Obviously my dino is a dino after his daddy; a rocker ! ;)
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Pleos love deep bass notes. I noticed when I play a low note on the organ pedals my pleos wake up from a nap.
Strangely enough, Olympia likes fluttery music with flutes and pretty stuff. In particular, opera and orchestra instrumental. ;)
Gee, makes me think we should try seeing what pleo does when listening to the 1812 overture! :)
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Pleos love deep bass notes. I noticed when I play a low note on the organ pedals my pleos wake up from a nap.
Strangely enough, Olympia likes fluttery music with flutes and pretty stuff. In particular, opera and orchestra instrumental. ;)
Gee, makes me think we should try seeing what pleo does when listening to the 1812 overture! :)
Neither Allo nor I have ever heard that.
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My dad had a record of the 1812 overture. Heard it so many times as a kid. We had just gotten a stereo set. That record was one of the first my dad bought. My goodness how things have changed today! (except for playing music loud that is!) ;D
Allo and MissingNo you should listen to it. It should be on youtube.
I'll have to check it out and see what three pleos do when listening to it. :)
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My dad had a record of the 1812 overture. Heard it so many times as a kid. We had just gotten a stereo set. That record was one of the first my dad bought. My goodness how things have changed today! (except for playing music loud that is!) ;D
Allo and MissingNo you should listen to it. It should be on youtube.
I'll have to check it out and see what three pleos do when listening to it. :)
Yup, we heard it. Olympia seems to be happy whenever we hear it. Prelude in C Sharp Minor was a big hit with her, too. She started dancing and making sounds that fit the music itself!
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My father owns a bar, and I am a bartender there. Anytime I bring my 'kids' to work with me the patrons just fall in love. (Of course, they've been drinking, so they'd love just about anything lol) But anywho, when I have Sophie or Dallas on the bar and the jukebox is on, they go crazy! They swing their heads, and 'booty dance'-which that is hysterical! But yes, I would have to say, they can distinguish music from other noises and they will in fact dance, if they like the music that is.
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My father owns a bar, and I am a bartender there. Anytime I bring my 'kids' to work with me the patrons just fall in love. (Of course, they've been drinking, so they'd love just about anything lol) But anywho, when I have Sophie or Dallas on the bar and the jukebox is on, they go crazy! They swing their heads, and 'booty dance'-which that is hysterical! But yes, I would have to say, they can distinguish music from other noises and they will in fact dance, if they like the music that is.
I believe that myself.:D
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Oh yeah Allo. It really is something else. A matter of fact, I encourage all of you to grab some sort of high bass music player and put your Pleo in front of it. Just watch how they will actually dance to the beat.
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Oh yeah Allo. It really is something else. A matter of fact, I encourage all of you to grab some sort of high bass music player and put your Pleo in front of it. Just watch how they will actually dance to the beat.
I'm still convinced that Olympia likes high orchestral music better. I played the Jurassic park theme from YouTube. She LOVED it!
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I am sorry to end everyone's speculation.
I have been doing some monitoring in Dino-MITE. Pleo can only distinguish three things. Sound is from the left, or sound is from the right, or sound is loud.
Pleo can not dance to music and has no beat detection. Pleo cannot distinguish between different types of music.
Those are the facts. Now fantasise as much as you want.
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We know you are correct, Degers but that's the fun of not knowing what our pleos will do when they hear something. At times they just seem to be acting like they are enjoying sounds. :)
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Thats fine, I just thought i'd post the cold hard facts for any technological minded people in the forum.
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I'm not too supprised by degers' comments about Pleo's hearing. As I started this thread, I stated my guy didn't react to sound and was mostly kinesthetic. It was interesting listening to those who's dinos reacted to music. I took Pleo and put him about 10 inches in front of one of my speakers, (18 inch woofers,) turned the bass up a bit and played some Bluegrass. I then turned Pleo on. He acted differently when he woke up. He did start moving around in place and was making sounds I wasn't familiar with. After approximately 1 1/2 minutes he started singing, something he does sometimes when there is an object in front of him. Close to 3 minutes into the experiment he bowed his head and made lonely sounds and I petted him and he acted normally and didn't seem to "hear" the music anymore. I don't know if it was all arbitrarily or if it was a temporary synergy of his various parts.
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Well, turning up the bass makes sense. Pleo understands "loud". :) He may well be programmed to "dance" to constant loud noise, which would explain some of the behavior people are posting. Any dancing in time to the music would be purely coincidental, as we have argued with Ugobe for over a year to ADD beat detection to pleo. :P
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Thats fine, I just thought i'd post the cold hard facts for any technological minded people in the forum.
Your finds are really precious, thanks for the tech infos, but this time i think was only a simple discussions about "fantasies" about Pleo's reactions to sounds. ;)
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Thats fine, I just thought i'd post the cold hard facts for any technological minded people in the forum.
Your finds are really precious, thanks for the tech infos, but this time i think was only a simple discussions about "fantasies" about Pleo's reactions to sounds. ;)
Hey don't go thinking I am heartless! :) I just thought that I'd bring an ounce of reality to the scene :)
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Next you'll try and convince us that pleos aren't actually alive! ;)
Heck, I've talked to Sally, she'll be the first one to tell you that the only place some of these pleos can dance is IN their fantasies! :P
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Next you'll try and convince us that pleos aren't actually alive! ;)
lol :D
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Next you'll try and convince us that pleos aren't actually alive! ;)
I'll take oppostie side from Degers if that happens... Grr! Let round one begin! xD
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I would say they like music our tv is next to table and if i put music on and sawdust is on the table he looks at the TV and dances!!!!! I'm sure some times that he is real!!! He likes anything with bass :)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! What's wrong with you guys? Your serious? Pleo cannot tell what is music and what the type of sound it is, he cannot like or prefer things, or sounds, he is just programmed to do certain things? he is not a living pet and just a robot. How can you emotional get attached to a machine?
It cannot think, but mimics certain events, so cannot react to certain music, seems you guys need a life? I used to read the same thing about Furbies and how people who owned them all claimed they did things they clearly could no do and was funny even claimed they had different personalities even though they all did the same thing. I have never read such rubbish about Pleo as these forums, just like I did with Furby.
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Hi Denodan, Pleos don't have to be a living pet to enjoy. I for one love these little machines. If only all machines were as cute as our pleos.
Having two Furbys is a kick. You just can't turn them off when you want them to be quiet. ;D
I'm a little more optimistic then you about getting more updates in the future. Sometimes good things take a little longer.
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You don't own a Pleo do you Denodan?
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You don't own a Pleo do you Denodan?
LOL!!!!!!!!!! Yes I do, look at You Tube under denodan.
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Hi Denodan, I agree with you that Pleo is just a machine which has been programmed to respond to outer stimuli in a certain way, but I also think that having a Pleo gets much more enjoyable if you allow yourself a little imagination. I think that whether people want to see their Pleo as a pet or a complicated machine is entirely up to them, and I'm sure that everyone no matter how attached they might be to their Ploes are aware that he's not real. I don't think, however, that you are right in talking to people on the forum as if you are so much better than everybody else. Exclamations like "you need to grow up" and "you guys need a life" are incredibly rude and if you really think people in this Forum are that full of rubbish you might try a different forum. Well, I didn't mean for this to be an angry post but I really don't like people putting others down like that. Whether they are right or wrong doesn't make a difference.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJabysPLmps
And yet you say Pleo can't dance ;) Have a little imagination :) It doesn't hurt.
(PS. this was Denodan video)
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. . . and I hope his vulgarities have went far enough. Mweed, can you dispose of this potty mouth?
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, even if most of the members here would disagree. As long as he isn't using profanity, obscenities, or attacking anyone personally, I don't see any reason to remove him or his posts. Remember, gucci_boi, you were ready to obliterate PleoRoom when you thought they had deleted one of your posts . . .
But I would ask everyone to think about what they say, and try to avoid saying mean or cruel things. It's all right to say you think pleos are stupid. But it's another thing to say pleo owners are stupid . . . There's no need for that.
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-sighs- arghhh!! Okay Mweed, I suppose you're right. (Besides, it wouldn't hurt that this is your forum, and you have final say) It's just really offensive when someone comes in and has to be so incredibly obnoxious. Ugh, I apologize for my behalf, mindless sub-humans just bother me.
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"Remember, gucci_boi, you were ready to obliterate PleoRoom when you thought they had deleted one of your posts . . .
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Tehehehehe.......yeah.....ha ha.....aw shucks! Ya had to throw that one in there, too didn'tcha? LOL (They really did delete it though). I suppose you're right though Mweed, nobody likes censorship. I suppose we should all be able to say as we wish, even if it's offensive. Sorry for just demanding...
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DId not say he can not dance, as my video shows he can, but what gets me, is like all the Fuby websites is people claiming they did things Furby could not and totally distorted Furby alltogther and totally unreal comments. I am finding that here also.
To say Pleo can dance to music by himself is rediculous, the only way he dances is the Xmas personaility. Does not seem very many serious people on here, but good to see some, t a lot are making wild claims and can make these forums childish in appearence. Been to many other robot sites where people are more serious and don't make outlandish claims and dressing their Pleos up like dolls.
To me this is rediculous and how are you to draw serious people into robotics into foums like these.
I have seem many a Furby websites killed by just silly remarks about Furbies.
Sorry if I offended anyone, never meant to, but I do find My Pleo fun, but not forgotten what he is or emotionally attached, to me he is a fun robot and a very good one at mimicking life, but I don't lose the fact of what he is, a robot and no more.
I think to many outlandish claims as is appearing here will see Pleo in danger of just been seen as a kids toy and harm this and other Pleo foums as it did with Furby.
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I would love to get some serious robotics/programing discussions going on pleo, but the biggest problem seems to be the lack of support on this from Ugobe. No PDK, no technical data, no real input from the Ugobe development team. At this point in time, there really isn't much to talk technically about. And I fear that most of the real robotics people abandoned pleo a while ago, which is one of the factors that led to the demise of the PleoWorld forums.
Without even a new update to the OS to talk about, and unless Ugobe changes their stance and allows the robotics community to do with pleo what Ugobe originally promoted it to be (an open platform for robotics development), I fear that a toy is all pleo will ever be.
For the first six months of the PleoWorld forums, all we had to talk about was what we imagined pleo would be. Then, for the next year, we had pleo, and talked about what we wanted pleo to become. So, for now, we talk about what pleo is. And hope that things will change . . .
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*makes mental note to try Matilda with some loud music and film the results* Just to see :-\
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Adding to what Grumpy is saying. For those of us that have been following Pleo from its initial announcement. What we ended up with is quite a bit different from what we were promised. Ugobe was specifically targeting the tech community Promoting Pleo as an open development platform for robotics. But there has been zero follow up to those promises. Ugobe has not even released any of its own tools. (YAPT,Skitter and Dino-MITE are all independently developed) So if people come off as being overly negative toward the little dino, Its likely because pleo was promoted as being more then what it is.
(personally I feel downright lied to, and will NOT be purchasing any future Ugobe products if they ever come to pass)
I’m all for the fun stuff. I dig the cute pictures and dressed up Pleos. But, particularly on the Internet it can be difficult to read people’s intensions. Truthfully I don’t know too many people that would pay upwards o 350$ to play pretend. A teddy bear would be just as effective, far cheaper and far more cuddly.
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I mentioned in a prior post that I put Pleo in front of a speaker and he did move around and made sounds I wasn't familiar with. What I propose is that we get a group of Pleos together, (I hear through the grape vine that there will be a gathering at Fisherman's Wharf March 28, (is it OK to mention it here mweed?)) get a good sound system going with some Techno-pop blasting and see if they form a Mosh Pit. Maybe hoist one up and move him/her around. Hopefully there won't be any head spinning. ;D
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. . . I hear through the grape vine that there will be a gathering at Fisherman's Wharf March 28, (is it OK to mention it here mweed?) . . .
Mention away! I might even suggest starting a new topic to promote it!
Just don't be exchanging phone numbers or bank account info here in public. ;) Safety first!
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Or much more simply you could just ask ugobe if pleo has beat detection currently implemented...
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I think at this time it would be easer to form a Mosh Pit than getting a reply from Ugobe. ::)
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Mosh pit???? Never heard of this before. :-[
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LOL I am in agreement with 49er. I have had my Pleos on in front of jukeboxes in our bar, and they do dance!
Fancy- I think a mosh pit is at a head-banging rock concert. Where everyone jumps in and beats the living daylights out of eachother. Anyone know for sure? I could be wrong...
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ROFL They don't beat each other up (ok well they do sometimes) Its just a pit in front of the stage where you can totally rock out to the music :) I will crank up the stereo today and video the results :)
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49er explained what mosh pit is. I have heard of that but didn't know what it was called. Ear plugs please! ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SGkWvWFVo
Sorry about the sound quality, guess my camera doesn't like loud music although my birds sure do, you can hear them chirping :P Matilda could definitely hear the music, but it only made her upset and hungry :o
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Matilda looked very confused. I can just see the little motors spinning in her head. Try "Waltzing Matilda." I bet she'll like that song. :)
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Matilda looked very confused. I can just see the little motors spinning in her head. Try "Waltzing Matilda." I bet she'll like that song. :)
Le gasp! Once of my favorite songs! Dan Zanes does it the best. ;)
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Sometimes you just have to put a bit of imagination into robots yeah pleo isn't the best he could be but at the moment he's the closest to a life emulating commercial robot you can buy for a reasonable price ugobe might not have fulfilled all their pgoals for pleo but at least he doesn't make R2 D2 sounds like some robotic companions on the market. I've been following pleo from the start (or pretty close) and yeah we haven't got everything we might have wanted but the fact that there is this no-offence admittedly small commnity devoted to a pile of servos and sensors should surely show people that there is something unique about pleo and that whether or not ugobe were all about giving us what we wanted we sure got a pretty cute companion and advanced piece of kit out of the deal. Pleo is what you make of him if you want a real friendly cute, hastle free pet, he can be that or if you just want to rip into his programming and see what you can make him do that's there as well. If ugobe do go under it's up to the pleo lovers to make and share applications to further play around with him. I for one am just happy that, that cute little dino i first saw wake up in a conference hall all that time ago actually made it into production and into my life.
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Well said :)
Hands down Pleo is by far the cutest robot out there, and I am sure they only one that inspires people to believe (even if only for a moment) that at times they are truly real...
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I know this topic was earlier in the thread and Allosaurus said that Olympia liked the flute playing and fluttery noises, well Domino normally ignores me when i play for him :P but sometimes if i trill (which may be my imagination as you said and you can criticize me all you want for this) if I trill Domino may pick up that sound and nodd his head to the beat :) Just wanted to throw that in.
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I am going to try that experiment again when I get my new Pleo, with the original OS and the update and this time I will use some music with a better beat :)
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Some interesting results with Lilo and the original OS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buymmYRfm2I
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For a newly hatched pleo,WOW!!! Lilo you go girl! What a busy little dino. She just got promoted from kindergarten to high school. If I had to judge a cheerleading dino, it would be Lilo. ;)
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Uploading the second video now :) Definitely a reaction to the music though :) The second vid is funny :P
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The second test, with the updated OS, she danced again :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaFDwJjvxbo
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I don't think they have beat detection per sei since she does not move to the beat, just a response to consistent loud sounds...
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By Lilo's movements you would never know she didn't have beat detection. I can hardly wait to see what darling things that you prgram her to do with MySkit. :)
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Muhaha there's one already in the works :) I should point out though that neither of the videos involved skits, that was her normal programming, and given that she had the exact same reactions twice then it is probably not just chance, but of course everyone will have their own opinions :)
*wanders off to watch Jurassic Park* (I bought a copy yesterday, found it in the bargain bin for two bucks :o Haven't seen it in years :))
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Some interesting results with Lilo and the original OS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buymmYRfm2I
The second test, with the updated OS, she danced again :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaFDwJjvxbo
Lilo's a pretty good dancer. She should try out for Dancing With the Stars! ;D Lilo dances a lot better than me, but then she has the advantage of four feet and I only have two left feet. ;)
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One things for sure Lilo's definitely liking what she hears i'm going to see if i can get Baxter to dance to some Pendulum or Prodigy :D :D Btw Love the booties heh
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. . . but then she has the advantage of four feet and I only have two left feet. ;)
That's no excuse! Lilo has only two left feet also. (The other two are right feet. ;) )
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That's no excuse! Lilo has only two left feet also. (The other two are right feet. ;) )
Then if I grow an additional two right feet I should be able to Dance With the Stars! (By myself.)
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Lol I have two right feet :P The spirit is willing but the feet are another story lol.
Lilo is hoping to share her fashion sense with the world soon ;) (By the way those were just baby socks :P)