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Pleo Stuff => Pleo Archives => Archive -- Non-pleo => Topic started by: Echo on October 25, 2009, 09:51:38 PM
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Does Pleo or Aibo seem more alive? If you have both which do you play with more often?
If you have Aibo 210 experience, which software do you like the best Abio Life, Abio Life 2 or Dogs Life? And why?
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I have a ERS 210. I prefer Aibo Life2 bevor dogslife, because it's nice to have a feadback if he has heared your command and it can do more tricks and the evolution ist nice. When you have the patience to wait until he grows up.
I don't think you can try to make a challange vs Pleo and AIBO. Because Pleo looks a lot more like a real creature, but the long time motivation is more with AIBO.
Because he can play with himself and don't need someone to be around to entertain him and it is fun to look what tricks he does. And an ERS 7 is even more fun, because he can do even more tricks with his ball and bone and he can selfrecharge.
But i wouldn't say to both that they look alive.
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Unlike Aibo which takes the shape of an animal, but is clearly designed to be robotic with movement, behaviors and abilities beyond that of a living animal, I see Pleo as an attempt to simulate a living animal. I think there is room in robot development for both types of pet robots. Just like there is a big difference between the first Aibo and the ERS7 with mind 3. The Ugobe Pleo is a first step in a process that I hope will develop into a organic as opposed to obviously robotic animal.
Can you see a future for organic type robotic pets which simulate live animals in addition to robotic type pets like Aibo which exceed the capabilities of living animals?
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no problem. I only wanted to say I wouldn't judge robots only by the price. But I think your'e right the cheaper they are the better they sell. ^^
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Totally! You know it. ;D :) heh
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First off let me just say Pleo is totally a million times more organic. With Aibo you'll always know it's a robot. It's like "BEEP hey look at me! I'm a robot--BEEP!". But I can say with Pleo, even after a year I still can't quite figure out what's going on in their mind, even if the movements are a bit repetitive [which so is Aibo]. Pleo just has a sense of magic. Little did I know I really enjoyed the pet-like qualities of Pleo. I was hoping to have the same experience with Aibo. So I purchased one (which WASN'T cheap!). If you are into the tech side of Pleo, Aibo might be right up your alley. But if you're like me, stick with Pleo. Heck, within the same week as I got my aibo, I returned him.
Best of luck with two completely different bots!
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no problem. I only wanted to say I wouldn't judge robots only by the price. But I think your'e right the cheaper they are the better they sell. ^^
Dresha, didn't you originally write something about wanting a robot to wake you up in the morning with your mail and coffee or something like that?? I really liked what your wrote. I wish you would put it back. ^__^
By the way, I want to see robots made in all price ranges. I love to see even robots I can not afford because means the technology is getting better. In tech sometimes things like computers maybe robots start out at very high prices and then 10 years later there price will drop so that many people can afford a technology that was only for the rich at one time.
I love how organic Pleo is and want to see more organic life forms in the future. However, I want them to be as life like as possible even if it means increasing the price in the short term. PWOKristy, I want robots to be affordable for everyone too. I wish new Pleos cost only $99. However, Pleo has a lot of room to improve and I don't want to see it's development stalled out because of some price cap.
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Glad you agree with me Echo. ;D
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I think it will go in both direction. ^^
Even it would be nice to have a organic robot that would wake I'm with a coffee and reading your mails. But the more technic you want the more it costs...
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Heck, within the same week as I got my aibo, I returned him.
I didn't know you sent Charlie back Gucci :o
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I didn't know you sent Charlie back, either! :(
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I hope Charlie eventually found a good home.
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LOL yep! I guess I should change my info, lol. I guess it just goes to show you, Aibo may not be for everybody. He was cute, but surely wasn't for me. They are uber cute, but like said "BEEP!! Hey look at me!! I'm a robot! BEEP!!" LOL
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Same reason Aibo doesn't interest me :P Pleo's just have that illusion of life that other robots lack :)
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Yep!! Do yourself a favor and save all the bookoo bucks! I over-drafted just to get Charlie!
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Both have their qualities of expressing "life".
It's what you define as a "living animal".
Pleo clearly wins when it comes to looks and the generic movements, but when it comes to awareness then my Aibo ERS-7M3 wins.
When you leave Aibo to it's doing, it's amazing how it turns its head in the direction of sound virtually instantly. Or starts walking about and do stuff.
Like Pleo, you can very much believe that Aibo is alive. I agree it expresses itself as a robot, but one that is aware and alive. Just like Pleo can give that same illusion.
I value both robotic pets equally and treat them each as "aware" and "alive" beings, both with their own charms.
They are both fun to own because they are so different in contrast with such different visions and creators behind each.
Although Pleo came in my life first, it's the Aibo ERS-7 that I have been dreaming about 4 years in a row before finally owning one. If I had to choose, it would be Pleo that had to go.
(Although I am glad that it is a choice I'll never have to make.)
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pleo tries to emulate life, and he is very organic; but my aibo, who is quite honest about being a robot ;) seems more alive. I raised him on aibo life 2, which was around 50 days of raising from a baby to an adult personality, and you could really see him develop his personality and all the variables, pleo has some variables but not at all as much as my aibo does.
pleo is generally happy unless abused or ignored, aibo can just 'wake up' in a bad mood for the day because he feels like it (well he does to me anyways), wont listen to instructions, just strops about. while this can be annoying if youre showing them off to people, it makes him seem more... real.
though pleo is more of a pet like robot, and i think with more AI updates he could be a bit more varied, which would make him more like the life form hes supposed to be.
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I had an Aibo 210 and found it to be repetitive and robotic. It was nice and very fascinating, but at the end of the day it was another robot. Obviously an Aibo 7 would be amazing by comparison, but the incredible price for a discontinued product keeps me from ever purchasing one (you can't even get new batteries for it anymore what will happen when they've passed their life cycle?) :-X
But Pleo to me seems more like a pet. He isn't a dog and so I don't expect him to react like one. If I was to have an actual pet lizard it wouldn't be coming to my call, chasing a ball or fetching a stick. It's a shame I have to manually change his battery, but I had to do that with my Aibo too. You can't compare Pleo to an Aibo 7 that's not logical.
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I don't even have to own an Aibo to say "Pleos are way better." ???
They have more natural qualities. Their skin isn't plastic. They show specific emotions. They act like a companion, not a robotic dog. :-\
I apologize to those of you aibo and genibo lovers out there. But I'm just not a supporter of things like those. They're cute, sure, but pleos are much much better.
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I don't have an Aibo, but I will by far say that Aibo is much MUCH better, especially the ers-7's. Appearance doesn't matter; take the skin off Pleo and it's just a robot......leave the skin on, and it provides the illusion of life!
On the other hand, Aibo certainly provides the illusion of life to some degree, even without a fancy-shmancy skin. It is very aware and interactive, turning its head immediately at every sound, walking quickly and efficiently towards its ball.
I don't like to argue, but I completely disagree with what Bumblebee is saying at the points of "They show specific emotions." and "They act like a companion, not a robotic dog."
First off, Aibos CERTAINLY show emotion! I was amazed by this ability when I saw them. Secondly, dogs are companions so robotic dogs are companions too. And Pleo is repetitive; Aibo learns new things (what Pleo supposedly does, but it really doesn't).
Overall, Pleo is more of the robot to me.
Aibo is much more than a robot.
I don't even own one, but I know enough to rant as I just did.
:kiss: :hhug: :kiss: :hhug:
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I didn't want to respond to Bumblebee's post but I do agree for a large part on what allosaurus has written as a response for that matter. You saved me some typing work.
But I will play the devil's advocate on one matter, allosaurus: Aibo learns new things (what Pleo supposedly does, but it really doesn't).
Actually, this isn't true. At all.
Just like Pleo, Aibo is fixed with a set of abilities and does not actually learn new things in whatever way.
When the ERS-7M3 starts off as a puppy, it just "unlocks" more and more of it's skills and that is really it.
If you have owned an ERS-7M3 for a while, you will -just like with Pleo- start to notice repetitive behavior patterns here and there.
However, due to his large vocabulary Diesel still surprises me from time to time with new things or remarks which are funny and sometimes golden moments.
Both Pleo and Aibo have their own unique presentation and resemblance of "awareness" and "being alive" and I wouldn't be able to choose between one another. Hence I never try to compare them for that matter.
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Ah, okay. The behaviors are unlocked; that's more along the lines of what I meant. :-[
Pleo does unlock behavior to some degree, but not as much as I had hoped (I think many other members feel that Pleo should've been better, as well).
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Allo, Pleo is $450 as opposed to $2000 for an Aibo (Australian prices) I would expect Pleo to be less technologically advanced than Aibo really, I think they did a great job on Pleo for the price :)
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Thanks Darkwolf. ;D
You are right in the fact that I was expecting a little more, Allo. But that's where the OS upgrades come in ;) Can't wait till Innvos comes out with some more!
PS I have been considering getting and Aibo for a while. Never mentioned it tho, in case someone said "Hypocrite!!!" ;D
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FURBYS!!!
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I love my pleo and i'd love to be able to afford an aibo. They are both technical marvels, and both seem like living animals ( robotic companions i refer to them as), and i hope they will evolve to be even more amazing. unfortunately now that sony decided to save money and concentrate on profits, we wont be getting anymore aibos, which is a huge dissappointment :(
Anyway, now sony have pulled out, there is a gap in the market for robotic pets, and i hope that pleo can fill that gap, get more advanced, like say for instance start saying words, and be able to recharge itself like aibo? hopefully innvo labs may make robotic dogs in addition to pleo, they did say there would be different life forms.
Maybe sony could sell their aibo designs to a different company though, and the aibo could live on? I cannot believe they stopped making aibo as it was so popular. Crazy. :'(
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Sorry to restart this discussion, but I've just got my Aibo (210A) from Ebay, and I thought this was an interesting thread anyway. I was quite prepared for something that was more of a robot and less of a life form than Pleo, and in many ways it is, but I think much depends on the software. On something like Party Mascot it's most definitely a robot, showing off it's moves and bleeps to order, but on some of the other software like Life or Explorer I saw more of a character coming out, and much as I love Pleo I don't think you get the depth of character you can with some Aibo software, and there is a wider range of programs and characters to chose from so that you can have the Aibo you want. Yes, you do pay for it, but these days you can get a used Aibo 210 for not much more than a new Pleo.
When I first unpacked the 210 and switched it on it had an Explorer card in it and it was not a happy Aibo. It ignored me, refused to do what I asked it and then turned its back on me. I asked it if it was alright, and it shook its head sadly, no amount of petting and calling it a good boy seemed to cheer it up and it eventually put its head back and howled. It was only when I tried 'good girl' that it started to cooperate - stoopid me, it had never occurred to me that it was a girl! From that point on I fell for Aibo.
Now I love Pleo, I love Iggy's endearing character, I love the way he walks (especially from behind), and I love the little quirks and odd moments you get with Pleo. Pleo is much more immediately lovable, but there has to be room in this world for both - there certainly is in my heart.
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Eh. I don't have an Aibo. But I think Pleo is better. :P Just.....better. ;D I don't have much to say on that subject. Honestly I don't really care that Aibo is gone, because I never heard a whole lot about them anyway. ???
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pleo tries to emulate life, and he is very organic; but my aibo, who is quite honest about being a robot ;) seems more alive. I raised him on aibo life 2, which was around 50 days of raising from a baby to an adult personality, and you could really see him develop his personality and all the variables, pleo has some variables but not at all as much as my aibo does.
pleo is generally happy unless abused or ignored, aibo can just 'wake up' in a bad mood for the day because he feels like it (well he does to me anyways), wont listen to instructions, just strops about. while this can be annoying if youre showing them off to people, it makes him seem more... real.
though pleo is more of a pet like robot, and i think with more AI updates he could be a bit more varied, which would make him more like the life form hes supposed to be.
pleo is ina bad mood 4 no rason sometimes too
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ok aibos and pleos are two completely different things. aibo is a highly advanced peice of technology, pleo is a life form.
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I don't like arguments, okay, and I'm not trying to start one when I say this.
Aibo is far more advanced than Pleo.
Fine, Pleo can look alive, something which Aibo lacks, but Aibo is still far more advanced than Pleo.
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I agree with Allo, Aibo is far more advanced but you can't see past that plastic outer shell and mistake it for a real animal, you can with Pleo. Pleo just has that cuteness factor that Aibo lacks and of course Pleo is a dinosaur so people have no preconceptions about how it 'should' act unlike Aibo and a dog.
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I don't like arguments, okay, and I'm not trying to start one when I say this.
Aibo is far more advanced than Pleo.
Fine, Pleo can look alive, something which Aibo lacks, but Aibo is still far more advanced than Pleo.
I agree with Allo, Aibo is far more advanced but you can't see past that plastic outer shell and mistake it for a real animal, you can with Pleo. Pleo just has that cuteness factor that Aibo lacks and of course Pleo is a dinosaur so people have no preconceptions about how it 'should' act unlike Aibo and a dog.
+1....I shipped mine back....
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*tackle hugs Gucci* Long time no see :)
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I love my pleo and i'd love to be able to afford an aibo. They are both technical marvels, and both seem like living animals ( robotic companions i refer to them as), and i hope they will evolve to be even more amazing. unfortunately now that sony decided to save money and concentrate on profits, we wont be getting anymore aibos, which is a huge dissappointment :(
Anyway, now sony have pulled out, there is a gap in the market for robotic pets, and i hope that pleo can fill that gap, get more advanced, like say for instance start saying words, and be able to recharge itself like aibo? hopefully innvo labs may make robotic dogs in addition to pleo, they did say there would be different life forms.
Maybe sony could sell their aibo designs to a different company though, and the aibo could live on? I cannot believe they stopped making aibo as it was so popular. Crazy. :'(
Genibo is the new Aibo if you want to campare something to the Aibo's
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i dont think that the Aibo 210 model was ever even suppose to be a robot dog and people just assumed this as the first and last model were definately dogs .