Post by: Crewella on August 25, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
This, apparently, is a green Lithium battery that can be used in both the old Classic Pleo and the Pleo RB, though the equally green charger needs different cords and cannot be used for the old NiMH green batteries ............ :o :-\ ???
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-lithium-battery-pleo-and-pleo-rb-made-2011-/160636433520?pt=Baby_Toys&hash=item2566ad7470
Post by: RedwoodsMama on August 25, 2011, 12:21:27 PM
I am not saying this is not a good deal as it could be very interesting and be a good deal for those of us who have regular Pleos and the rb, but untill I see feedback from someone who buys one of these who is not a seller themselves in China of also Pleo items, then I am saving my money. Too many variables, Also if this comes from the factory where I get my case montly of the white Li -Polymer batteries, then at some point these would be available for me to sell also, Right now I would like to see if someone buys these and yes, Pleo can go for 3-4 hrs, that is what would be interesting to know from my perspective. %)Mind you, I am not knocking this seller or the product, but untill I see feedback from somebody who has purchased one and does not live in China and is not selling Pleo products, then I will weight the facts more closely.
RWM
Post by: Crewella on August 25, 2011, 12:39:47 PM
I wonder if your supplier knows anything about these .......... ? :-\
Post by: RedwoodsMama on August 25, 2011, 02:10:30 PM
I will look into these but what I was mostly saying is that even though these look fantastic, I want to see feedback from someone outside of China and who is not a Pleo seller to get "honest and unbiased" opinions. Does that make any sense to you? Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
RWM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on August 25, 2011, 04:00:46 PM
Post by: saratogaspringer on August 25, 2011, 04:22:40 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on August 25, 2011, 04:25:00 PM
RWM
Post by: Crewella on August 25, 2011, 05:01:08 PM
TBH, the egg batteries ae so good that I don't really see a need for these, though I guess 3 hours or so might be cool some days. My first thought was just how confusing this will be - I can see people buying them and then muddling them with the original chargers!! :o
Post by: kat on August 25, 2011, 05:39:33 PM
Just some stuff to think about..... %)
Post by: barrettgazzy on August 25, 2011, 09:40:07 PM
Post by: Crewella on August 26, 2011, 02:27:29 AM
Post by: kat on August 26, 2011, 06:34:37 AM
Post by: Crewella on August 26, 2011, 06:45:57 AM
Post by: PleoPet on August 26, 2011, 08:23:42 AM
Who knows what is going on with the Chinese manufacturers these days. As noted it is marked as a "UGOBE" product. Chinese only packaging.
The battery looks like it is the same as the internals of the Brown RB battery (and possibly the same charger), but inside a green battery case. It will have a thermistor (3rd terminal) like the original green and brown RB batteries (but unlike the white egg battery).
The only obvious difference between it and a brown RB battery is the orientation of the plastic tab on the bottom. This prevents you using the brown RB battery in an old Pleo (or placing the brown LiPoly battery into the old green NiMHd charger).
BTW: if you clip off the plastic tab on a brown battery, it will work in an old Pleo (but not recommended)
The performance of the battery should be the same as the brown RB battery (in an RB) or a white egg battery (in an old Pleo).
Much better than an original green NiMHd battery. In an old Pleo it gives you better run times because the LiPoly battery is higher capacity (and slightly higher voltage), lighter, and likely newer (batteries do degrade with use).
If you do get one of these, be careful not to place it in your original green charger (if that is possible).
Other than that, it may be a good product, but a little pricey IMHO.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on August 26, 2011, 08:57:21 AM
The batteries may be great, but PleoPet was good at explaining the differences, I can't afford that kind of money on a battery and even 3-4 hrs is not enought to make me spend that kind of money, when I know the egg batteries will work and I have no problem using or getting them, If and when these become available to me, I will definitly try them after I hear from my suppllier, but only after I hear first hand all the pros and cons. Kat, if you want to try them and can afford them, we would all be glad to hear what you think.
As for Derek Dotson commenting on these batteries, since they are a Ugobe Product and not Innvo labs, he may not be able to comment much more than anything we have heard here, but if he does have any comment, we will have to wait and see what he has to say. All I can say is the batteries are expensive but may be a good product if you can affored it, and the Merlin Pleo Seller has yet ( in my opinon and any Ebay feedback) proven that these Pleos even are anything that they are claimed to be and nobody leaves feedback, why is that....I am still suspicious of this Seller regardless of what he calls the Pleo, as the title is allways changing. Buyer Bewared again.
RWM
Post by: Crewella on August 26, 2011, 09:27:01 AM
Thank you for that - it's one of the things that was beginning to puzzle me - if the brown RB and white Egg charger batteries are so similar I was wondering if it would be so bad to run a Ugobe Pleo on the brown batteries. I eventually came to the conclusion that the reason for the tabs underneath was not so much to stop the wrong battery going in the Pleo, but, more importantly, to stop the wrong battery going into the chargers? :-\
Post by: wolfbob on August 26, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
These electronics can be in one (or more) of three places. They can be built into the cells. There are two LiPo cells in each battery. or they can be built into the battery or they can be in the charger for charging and Pleo for discharging. It is this last case that can make things dangerous if you use a battery that needs its electronics and they are in the rb but not in the Ugobe. Also the LiPo batteries use a constant current charge to some voltage and then a constant voltage until fully charged and the current and voltages are different for the NiMH and the LiPo batteries so a lithium charger will not properly charge a NiMH battery and vice versa.
It appears to me that the white batteries have the electronics in either the cells or inside the battery, the brown is probably the same but they may be in the Pleorb and charger. I don't see how it is possible to get a safe and practical charge on a LiPo battery using the Ugobe NiMH charger.
Post by: kat on August 26, 2011, 07:38:07 PM
Post by: barrettgazzy on August 26, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on August 26, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
Post by: Crewella on August 27, 2011, 05:17:14 AM
Don't go experimenting changing what battery is used in what or charged by what. Be aware that the LiPo batteries are dangerous if not used properly in both charging and discharging, These batteries have electronics that insure that they are not discharged too far or charged too much. The NiMH batteries of the Ugobes (green) do not have or need electronic support
These electronics can be in one (or more) of three places. They can be built into the cells. There are two LiPo cells in each battery. or they can be built into the battery or they can be in the charger for charging and Pleo for discharging. It is this last case that can make things dangerous if you use a battery that needs its electronics and they are in the rb but not in the Ugobe. Also the LiPo batteries use a constant current charge to some voltage and then a constant voltage until fully charged and the current and voltages are different for the NiMH and the LiPo batteries so a lithium charger will not properly charge a NiMH battery and vice versa.
It appears to me that the white batteries have the electronics in either the cells or inside the battery, the brown is probably the same but they may be in the Pleorb and charger. I don't see how it is possible to get a safe and practical charge on a LiPo battery using the Ugobe NiMH charger.
Thanks Wolfbob, that was really enlightening. Logic told me it must be something like that, but it's hugely helpful to be able to understand why. ;D
Post by: barrettgazzy on August 27, 2011, 10:08:17 AM
Post by: Crewella on August 27, 2011, 10:31:06 AM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on August 27, 2011, 05:50:45 PM
Post by: degers on August 28, 2011, 05:49:57 AM
Ok so supposedly these new batteries last 3-4 hrs ? If so why did Innvo not go with these new batteries in first place if they last longer ? ???
Too expensive. If you want, you could have a pleo that could run for 6 hours, but you'll double the price of the whole unit just by getting a better battery in there! Why do you think they went with NiMH in the first place!
Post by: barrettgazzy on August 28, 2011, 06:16:34 AM
But still those Lithium batteries on ebay actually are not a lot more then if you were to buy a new cradle and battery for rb on pleoworld website . .
Post by: PleoPet on August 28, 2011, 02:31:30 PM
'Crewella' wrote:
> I eventually came to the conclusion that the reason for the tabs underneath was not so much to stop the wrong battery going in the Pleo, but, more importantly, to stop the wrong battery going into the chargers?
That makes the most sense. The old Pleo's appear to handle the slightly higher voltage of the LiPoly egg battery.
That's what worries me about this new battery (green LiPoly). If you accidentally place it on the original green charger that could be bad. That is not possible with the brown battery.
'kat' wrote:
> I did notice that they seem to have bundled it with what looks like the old green charger that is used for the NiMH battries and I was wondering if this would maybe be bad
It is a different charger base according to the ebay listing.
If you are getting one of these new batteries and chargers, and want to keep your old (green) NiMHd batteries - be sure to clearly mark which charger is which
[if done properly, the internal logic *should* prevent it from exploding, but better be on the safe side]
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re: 3->4 hour run time on old Pleo
'bartettgazzy' wrote:
> Ok so supposedly these new batteries last 3-4 hrs ? If so why did Innvo not go with these new batteries in first place if they last longer ?
However the battery should have the same run time as the Brown RB battery (if it fit) or the White Egg battery.
They are all LiPoly batteries with a 2800mAHr capacity.
New green battery - $89 for battery and charger - 2800mAhr LiPoly - "UGOBE" brand - should work in original Pleo or PleoRB. Needs special new green charger.
Brown RB battery - ~$50 for battery alone - 2800mAhr LiPoly - "INNVO" brand - will work in Pleo RB only. Needs brown charger that comes with the RB.
White 'Egg' battery - ~$57 for battery and charger - 2800mAhr LiPoly - "UCUBE" brand - will work in original Pleo (not RB). Needs special white egg charger.
Original NiMHd green battery - obsolete - 2200 mAhr NiMHd (HEAVIER) - "UGOBE" brand - will work in original Pleo or RB (but runs shorter and moves slower). Needs original NiMHd green charger that came with the original Pleo.
> But still those Lithium batteries on ebay actually are not a lot more then if you were to buy a new cradle and battery for rb on pleoworld website . .
But you should already have the brown charger and AC adapter (comes with the Pleo RB).
Post by: kat on August 28, 2011, 05:21:36 PM
Ok I have taken the plunge and will let you all know when it arrives. %) :)
Post by: barrettgazzy on August 28, 2011, 07:32:17 PM
Post by: saratogaspringer on August 28, 2011, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: Crewella on August 29, 2011, 01:49:51 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on August 29, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
RWM "and Pleo township in the Redwoods"
Post by: kat on August 29, 2011, 05:47:52 PM
Post by: OzPleo on September 07, 2011, 04:12:53 PM
Post by: kat on September 07, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
A quick update. It has arrived in Australia - Sydney - which is the other side of Australia to me. About 4hours by plane. I hope for it to arrive to me by Tuesday but sometimes our post over here can be a bit slow. Waiting waiting waiting..... ;D
Post by: barrettgazzy on September 10, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
Post by: kat on September 13, 2011, 05:34:26 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 13, 2011, 08:24:44 PM
RWM
Post by: Crewella on September 13, 2011, 10:12:59 PM
However, the egg charger batteries are Ucube and also nothing to do with Innvo, and they're great, so I'm interested to hear what Kat has to say.
.......... or a big BANG!! :o ;) :P
Post by: OzPleo on September 14, 2011, 12:14:31 AM
Post by: kat on September 14, 2011, 03:28:37 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 14, 2011, 10:37:23 PM
RWM
Post by: kat on September 15, 2011, 02:46:27 AM
The charger looks identical to the old Ugobe charger that you use for the NiMH batteries. I flipped it over to see the underside and took a pic of the two side by side
I do hope it doesn't make a big bang! :o
It uses the same power cable as the old Ugobe chargers. The power cable for pleo rb chargers wont fit into it. I plugged the battery into the charger before connecting it to the power cable and.......
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on September 15, 2011, 02:59:43 AM
Post by: kat on September 15, 2011, 03:10:32 AM
It took 2 hours and 20 mins to fully charge. my egg battery that I turned on to charge at the same time too 2 hours.
I will put both into my Ugobe pleos now and see how long we get. ;D
Well Minyon was wiped out after an hour and a half on the egg battery. So he is now sleeping while the battery recharges. So far Gumble is going strong after an hour and 40mins.
Post by: barrettgazzy on September 15, 2011, 06:32:09 AM
Post by: kat on September 15, 2011, 07:10:07 AM
If 2 hours 20 is all one of these batteries gives then it is no where near the 3 to 4 hours claimed in the add. So if time is all your interested in then this is no better than a noraml rb battery or an egg battery in my opinion.
This is not my final verdict though so let me test out the other things they claim before we decide how good or not it is. :)
Post by: Crewella on September 15, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
I'm glad to have the issue of the adapters cleared up - so they only work with the old Ugobe ones. So, apart from the slightly worrying possibility that you might try to charge in the old green chargers, these seem OK. Good but not great? So far, anyway! :D
Thanks for reporting back! ;D
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 15, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
If it does only run up to less than 3 hrs, then I would not buy it, not for that price. If it does go an average of 2 1/2 hrs then I think what they are capitilzing on is that it runs in both the older models and the Rb, which is an advantage but not at that price. Hope your next test is better time wise. The other thing you have to remember is that this is supposed to be a brand new battery so should run at it's best and over time the Egg batterie like any battery will slowly lose some of it's effectiveness so some of it's get up and go, whether that is 6 months or 1 1/2 has many factors including how often the item is being used, conditions such as temperture storage and other things I know nothing about. The best test would be one of these with a very new battery. If the egg goes at least 2 hrs and then the New one you got does no better, then I would say they are the same except they allso fit in the Rb which is due to the casing being different. ???
So glad you did not blow up, that would have been terrible to see you flying over the Aussie WAters somewhere alongside Bruce on his way to IMR's house! :o :( ;D Well done job Kat, looking forward to more from these tests you are doing.Oh, to be fair and another test, can you run one in each of your RB next time to see how the egg does in a RB and how this new one does in a Rb, that would be a good test to compare also! Thanks.
Floating in the Redwoods, but getting tired of the Birds using me as a nest......( I have lots of long thick hair and I guess they like it.........darn fools :D) RWM
Post by: OzPleo on September 15, 2011, 01:59:47 PM
Post by: kat on September 15, 2011, 04:32:07 PM
A little point to note was that using it in Gumble my Ugobe pleo it was a very very very tight fit. I was a little worried that I just wouldn't be able to get it in him. It did work just fine once it was in though.
Post by: kat on September 16, 2011, 04:36:34 PM
I will let you know how long we get. I have Gumble using an egg battery Kermy running a regular rb battery and Norbit using the new battery. ;D
25mins into the test Norbit froze. He still had a green light under his belly but no sound or movement and he stayed like that for about 3 mins before I intervened. I tried switching him off but he would not switch off so I had to pull the battery and then pop it back in again. I turned him back on, fed him and then put him back to play with the rest of them. I don't know if this was caused by the new battery or if it was just a glitch in his firmware. I will run a second rb test with the new battery in Kermy later to see if she has any issues using it. I am keeping an eye on him. %)
We have made an hour and 35 mins and all three are still going strong! :)
Ok - 2 hours exactly for Kermy on the normal pleo rb battery, Norbit on the new battery made 2 hours 15 mins and little Gumble with his egg battery is still running ;D
So the conclusion is that egg batteries are still the way to go for Ugobes, The regular pleo rb battery is just as good as this new type for pleo rb and the extra 15 mins or so is not really worth the cost. The only reason I can see for getting this type of battery would be if you wanted one battery that worked in both old and new pleos.
Egg battery in Gumble went for 2 hours and 45mins! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: OzPleo on September 16, 2011, 07:12:11 PM
Post by: kat on September 16, 2011, 07:24:33 PM
Post by: Crewella on September 16, 2011, 07:26:30 PM
Thank you for taking the time to explain it all in such detail, much appreciated! :-*
Post by: OzPleo on September 16, 2011, 07:27:19 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 16, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
Sorry to rant so, ebayers that do this just get under my skin as this was something that would have made a lot of people happy and to find out it is not what they said it was, something that sounded too good to be true, just got me upset..You deserve a round of applause though Kat for being brave enough to go for it and test it for all the rest of us here who wondered and wanted to buy one but were afraid to "try the water", but you just jumped right in and tested the water for all the rest of us. ;D :hhug: :kiss: :rootbeer: You are a go getter and one of those people who wont just stand around and wonder but gets the job done. I applaud you for that. I do have one question. what was that about with the light comming on without it being plugged in....that was just plain strange scary and weird.... :o Someday they may come up with a 3-4 hr battery that does what this one was said to do, and when it does we will have you to thank for paving the way for the next one being the "real McCoy" If they lowered the price it would not be so bad despite their fraudulent claims, but at that price, it is a rip off. I think I have said enough.One good thing is that this battery does make my Egg battery look a lot better now for anyone who had doubts! LOL :-* for your persistance and great strength to test the waters Kat. Take care. RWM
Post by: OzPleo on September 16, 2011, 11:40:58 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 17, 2011, 12:12:06 AM
I am sure you know how to file a claim and it does not matter if you are a person who only frequents Ebay sites once in a blue moon, Fraud is Fraud as Oz said. Think of it as alerting others to help this from happening to them too. This person needs to either quit selling them or change what he says they are capable of doing. All he has to do is change what he says the time is, and he would not be fraudulent, but this is why ( IMHO) most people are buying them the time seems too good to be true, and of course we know now it is. Enough said, if you decide to open a claim I can tell you how to do it and it is nothing against you, do not feel "bad" for this person. They need to advertise accurately or remove their product . In today's economy, the price for one of those is a lot of hard earned money for most people and it is like throwing your hard earned money away . ( IN My Opinion.) anyway enough said again , I just get upset when this stuff happens to people as I don't like it when it happens to me and I don't like it happening to my friends, and Kat you are a friend. ;) :-* Good luck and Thanks Oz for speaking up about this too.
RWM
Post by: barrettgazzy on September 17, 2011, 12:53:09 PM
Post by: kat on September 18, 2011, 05:43:53 AM
dear kermitpleo
i am very sorry to say that the battery can be used 3-4 hours,but some times it can be used for about 3 hours Depends pleo movement.i want send you a pleo clothes,and free shipping.if like i will send it tomorrow.and if you agress,please change the Negative feedback.i will very very thank you.
best wishes!
It seems he feels his battery should run for at least 3 hours. I have tested it a few times in different pleos who all have different levels of activeness and the best time I have gotten so far is 2h 20 min. Based on my testing I don't believe anyone would get 3 hours from one of these batteries. Needless to say I will not be bought. I am not changing my negative feed back. As yet I have not responded to his email and am unsure if I will.
Post by: Willow on September 18, 2011, 09:12:56 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 18, 2011, 12:08:23 PM
When I bought a Pleo on Ebay back in March or early April here in the US. I bought it as it said, NEW UNHATCHED, so it had only been Displayed in a showcase, ( or so the seller claimed.) I asked if it had been used, and he again said NO>) So I paid $142.50 which is a Good Price for a UNHATCHED PLEO. THere were a handful of them at ebay at the time and I was glad to get this guy. I learned from selling batteries, to protect myself when esp buying electronic items by VIDEO Taping the opening of the package and IT was a good thing I had. :oWhen I opened the package, the first warning sign was NO MANUEL or ID Card...something wrong there, then NO USB cable. So I knew this guy would not work with the green OLD battery so I used a fresh Egg battery. Even before testing with my battery, it was obvious other things were wrong, the paint was chipped off Pleo's teeth, and paint on the leaf from his teeth. The other Big Red Flag was the position Pleo was in, with neck slightly bent and a curled tail. ( in his box.) This is not the Packing postion and obviously, Pleo had to have been used. The video showed all these things and the biggest thing was turning him on and having him say, " Huh", and then Mooing, Not going into the "hatching position". This guy was as fraudulent as can be. He tried to negotiate a lesser price and I was still wanting Pleo as aside from the paint missing on the teeth, he was in very good condition, but not worth what I paid plus the missing items. He wouldn't go down the $20.00 Less I offered, ($120.00 instead of $142.50) He then tried to say, How do I know this video is of My Pleo and not another" till I showed him his address would be visable. He didn't like that, quite communicating and I had to go through Paypal. The videos were posted on Youtube but with no names, and I not only got a full refund, Paypal sent me a shipping label prepaid to send the Pleo back, then they would take money out of his account, and they Told me they "strongly suggested I leave Negative feedback on his account so others knew about this Pleo" I did so and this person has not sold a single thing since this incident so Ebay and Paypal back up the buyer in these incidents but you have to act within a time frame. Do not feel bad for this person, You deserve your money back. It is not saying these batteries are Bad but not as advertised and you have the right to get what you are paying for and they do not run 3-4 hrs. Just to help you put things in perspective. Think of it this way, If your son or daughter bought something on Ebay and it was not as advertised, what would you do? ??? %) >:( ;) Good Luck, RWM Been there too!
Post by: OzPleo on September 18, 2011, 02:17:54 PM
Post by: Crewella on September 19, 2011, 01:00:03 AM
ADDED:
It's interesting to note that this seller had 100% feedback until Kat's negative. With such a new seller, each sale makes a big difference, but I note that a couple of other buyers seem happy with their battery.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 19, 2011, 12:17:28 PM
Post by: kat on September 19, 2011, 04:57:26 PM
When I bought this battery it was always as an experiment to see if the claims they made were true. I was hoping that the battery would last the 3 to 4 hours they stated it would but really didn't believe it would. As the battery does function and does work in both pleo and pleo rb and appears to be a new unused battery sent to me in good shape, I am not going to open a dispute with ebay or paypal. I just don't have the emotional energy needed to follow through with something like that at this time. I never really expected it to work so I really am not terribly disappointed that it doesn't run for as long as they have claimed. I left negative feed back as I did feel this was the right thing to do so that others would see that for me the battery only lasts just over 2 hours. I did also see that there are others out there who are happy with their purchase of these batteries. Also it is important to note that I never intended to return my purchase even if the battery didn't work at all. It really was an experimental purchase for me. :D
So I am going to put the matter to rest here. I am choosing not to respond to the seller. Again I just don't have the emotional energy that that requires. I am disappointed at his reaction, by offering me another different product for free to change my mind does not give me a very good opinion of him. If he had wanted to talk to me about the battery and why it didn't give the 3 to 4 hours play time for me then I probably would have made the effort to talk to him.
I started this experiment for the rest of you here on the forum. :) My friends. :) So as we have all seen from my testing what the good and bad points about the battery are each of you can make up your own minds to purchase or not as you see fit. I do have to remind you though this battery does work in both types of pleo and for that alone if that is what you were after then it is still a good buy.
Also I have run it a couple of more times so now each of my pleos have had a turn and I only got 2 hours 15min each time.
I would like to thank all of you here for following my experimental journey and I would also like to thank Gumble, Norbit, Minyon and Kermy for volunteering to be brave little lab rats and testing the battery. I am very grateful that there were no explosions during, before or after the experiment. :D
Post by: Crewella on September 19, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
Thank you! I was considering doing the same thing - you saved me from having to deal with them! :-*
Post by: mweed on September 20, 2011, 08:26:09 AM
The big question as to whether the seller is a "bad guy" or not is if the 3-4 hour claim is his, or the manufacturer's. If I was selling brand new unopened products and I was just stating on eBay what the packaging said, that makes me an idiot who got duped by the manufacturer, not a scam artist . . .
They are all LiPoly batteries with a 2800mAHr capacity.
New green battery - $89 for battery and charger - 2800mAhr LiPoly - "UGOBE" brand - should work in original Pleo or PleoRB. Needs special new green charger.
Brown RB battery - ~$50 for battery alone - 2800mAhr LiPoly - "INNVO" brand - will work in Pleo RB only. Needs brown charger that comes with the RB.
White 'Egg' battery - ~$57 for battery and charger - 2800mAhr LiPoly - "UCUBE" brand - will work in original Pleo (not RB). Needs special white egg charger.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 20, 2011, 08:54:13 AM
More than anything and I am sure others will agree that I am happy that you took "the plunge" that others including myself were afraid to do and were the "test susbject" for a few of us. Thank the Pleo Crew as they were the really brave ones, God Forbid if they turned Bright DayGlow Yellow or exploded. :o That was pretty scary........................... Also Crewella, as for things these days comming from China in particular with the spirit of a Gamble. I am not sure what you mean by that...is it somehow related to the validity of goods or fraudulent claims or production values...? Can you explain as I don't really understand exactly what you mean and don't want to "assume" the wrong meaning, I am not as up on current trends etc as a lot of people and my brain is no good till I get that first transfusion of coffee. :D Remember also, the UCUBE egg batteries that I sell and others use in their Pleos do come from Taiwan and they seem to be just fine, that is why I would like some more explanation. ( I am no good at political and business goods, economy etc, my husband drives me nutz trying to explain it to me ...so I would rather hear it from you in a gentler easy way to understand your statement. Thanks)
And MWeed, I never said that this seller is BAD Or Good, just that the Claims are Fraudulent. If I was the one selling these, either I would contact the manufacturer or person I got them from and explain the situation and see what they say, or I would stop selling them OR put a message on the posting stating that with further testing, buyers have found these last for a little over 2 hrs, and test on your own, but something to the effect so there is clearly a statement saying 3-4 hrs is Claimed on packaging, etc, but expecting 2 hrs + is much more likely, something along that line, so you are not seen as Misrepresenting the product.It is very possible that this person who had virtually no feedback and IS just trying to make some money, ( a living like everyone else... :)) bought these to try and make some money and thinks and was told it is a good product by whomever sold these to him, and he probably has no firsthand experience with them at all. The best thing he could do is to either sell them AS IS to someone else, lower the price, or make a statement saying he is not responsible for what the packaging says, or just continue to sell these and hope others do not leave negative feedback. AT some point, there is bound to be another person who buys one wanting that 3-4 hrs and will also be upset and want their money back and or leave more negative feedback.It all comes down to people in general want what they pay for. I am glad it is not me selling these batteries...I do understand that this can be a tricky situation but I think the seller is still responsible whether he got duped or not. I do know I won't be buying one of these, perhaps at a lower price, it could be worth it, to me anyway. RWM
Post by: Crewella on September 20, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
To be honest, the vast majority of the items I've bought like that have been fine, and many of the sellers, Chinese or otherwise, have been a bit clueless but very helpful once we sorted out our differences (or indeed finally worked out what the other was on about!). The Chinese manufacturing industry has grown so fast in recent times, in all directions - some of their goods are great, some not so great, some extremely not great, but when buying on eBay you often have no idea what you'll be getting, or if the goods will conform to any standards or regulations. I didn't mean to cast aspersions on Chinese manufacturers in general, some are truly great - heck, I was made in China myself! :P
Sorry if that was a bit long-winded - hope it helped? :D
Post by: RedwoodsMama on September 20, 2011, 03:19:25 PM
I do hope the seller if not to blame gets his money back or has no more problems, but it does pay to know your product before selling it. I know it doesn't allways work out that way though.
RWM
Post by: Crewella on September 20, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
And yes, 'made' and born in Hong Kong, and my father in Shanghai! :D
*I'm not telling you if I have a stamp on the back of my neck, though* ;) :P