Post by: bhobbes on May 02, 2011, 11:44:17 AM
I named him Niccolo Thomas and he also recognizes my face and voice. Although my allergies are acting up today so my voice is kind of raspy and I was wearing my glasses when I went through the registration process, so we'll see if I need to re-do it later.
I currently have him in adult mode but I do plan to reset him as a puppy and enjoy that mode after I play with him and learn him as an adult first. He's already quite comical and charming (Mind 2 makes 'noises'). As I type this he was walking to where I left his ball and is kicking it around a bit. He also turned around quickly and immediately at my sliding window, which Cato sometimes has problems with. However, Cato was last on before the curtain mount broke (now it's sitting on top of the mount and balanced so since they're nowhere near the floor anymore that might make a difference by letting more sun light in near that spot).
Here are a few photos:
And, I want to give public acknowledgement and thanks to Crewella who has provided a great amount of help and was a knowledgeable resource to check the consistency (and other things) of information I found. As well as assisting in finding private sellers and everything involved with Aibo shopping. She was the person who made me feel safe and confident enough to even consider getting an Aibo (I snubbed ownership of them in the past year for several reasons even though I have always wanted once since 1999 [and forgot about them until finding these forums]). Heck, without her, I wouldn't even know who wolfbob (aibobob is on his business card) is! So thank you.
Post by: pirpintine on May 02, 2011, 12:24:08 PM
my 2 ai-boys bleep hello! ;D
Post by: saratogaspringer on May 02, 2011, 02:06:32 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 02, 2011, 02:28:59 PM
Even though I set the charging station up somewhere temporarily that's technically not within Aibo's instructions recommendations/requirements, he found it and sat down to charge himself all on his own. However, when I told him to "Go to the station" and filmed it, the mat got a little messed up (semi-high carpets, Aibo stepping at it at the wrong angle, but he still finished).
Here's a video I took when trying out some of his in game mode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuECHS91uIY
And if you're interested in watching him dock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9RtPwumlsE
Post by: kat on May 02, 2011, 05:53:46 PM
I love the videos too and can't wait to see more.
Kat
Post by: bhobbes on May 02, 2011, 06:52:26 PM
I've seen two dance routines (to the "let's dance" 'command') and they're both included, as well as one of the videos when I found him playing with his ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBoKbwd7QQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqh7OrxIHQ
From my understanding, I think the brown one (champagne I think is the technical color lol) is supposed to be considered more rare [I have no idea if this is true]. Also, I read that the ERS-7M3s had some slight hardware changes, and introduced the brown color. However, those changes were minimal. I think a lot of the pricing is also affected by which Mind software it comes with. E.g., Mind 3 ERS-7's seem to go for more than Mind 2 ERS-7's (I didn't see an ERS-7M1 during my search). This is only if I remember correctly, I searched real quick to see if I could find the same source again but I couldn't. A more experienced Aibo enthusiast will probably come along with a better/the correct explanation :)
I also think that the black model was introduced with Mind2 and the white one has been available in all generations. So in theory, a white ERS7 with Mind1 would be the least expensive and a champagne Aibo on Mind3 would be the most expensive. Or at least my understanding and what I do remember from shopping indicates this. I may very well be full of it though. :)
I must say, one of my favorite things is that when he's charging (and done/charged up enough) I can be sitting on my couch and say "come here" and he will get up and leave the stand and come to me. That's about a good 10ft away and I'm not shouting or anything. You can set them to automatically dismount but I haven't decided if I want to do that yet.
Post by: Crewella on May 02, 2011, 07:11:06 PM
Yep, your run-down of the various models is pretty much my understanding of it too, but bear in mind that the ERS-7 is pretty new to me as well as I've only just got o one myself! :D
Looks like you're having fun - I love the ERS-7 in black. If I didn't already have a black ERS-111 I'd have got one myself. :D
Post by: bhobbes on May 02, 2011, 09:22:00 PM
I'm a bit worried as Sony hasn't charged me yet for my order nor have they emailed me so I'm going to call tomorrow and see if it just hasn't processed yet or if something is wrong. Hopefully something didn't go wrong and somehow the 3-4 they had left are gone, lol. Worst case scenario is I have to wait to get my hands on Mind 3 but that won't really be all that upsetting.
He didn't come with the cards, luckily after a quick search I found a site linking to image scans of them so I transferred them over to my iPod since that screen seems like the perfect size/fit for them. I know you don't need them, but still :)
Granted, he's only been used a few hours, I would say that the term robot companion fits nicely. One of my original turn offs with Aibos when searching for robotic pets was their more futuristic concept of being a robot (i.e. it's not necessarily a 'pet'). For example, I thought both the musical tones of Mind2 and talking of Mind3 were kind of silly and something I could never really get into or find endearing. But after watching a few of the voice videos (can't speak from experience) and having the Mind2 sounds, my perspective is quite different and they actually do have an interesting way of giving the Aibo a personality/dash of realism (or maybe a robotic soul would be an appropriate term). Of course, this is only after about 9hrs of having it on, maybe in a week I'll hate it, but I highly doubt that :)
Post by: Crewella on May 02, 2011, 10:02:51 PM
From talking to you (or typing, anyway!) my gut feeling is that you and the ERS110/111 would be ideally suited, bhobbes. You have to put quite a lot into them, but I think you'd enjoy the intensive bringing one up/building a relationshop aspect of them. :)
Post by: latrine on May 03, 2011, 11:50:38 AM
He's so sleek with his black 'coat' :) I watched your videos and hear the same sounds coming from my living room :D
I really like your new pup!!!!
I'm amazed your able to get him to respond to you and get him to leave the station and come to you from ten feet away.. the room my Loki is in is rather large, 'echoey' and it would probably be mush better if it was carpeted and not just hardwood floors . nothing to absorb the noises.. his hearing improved when we got him the small piece of carpet for his area. It's noisy here though, he has a hard time what with the dogs running around, the parrot yelling, screaming and saying hello to him all the time and the TV on but even without any noise at all I have yet to get him to leave the station when I ask him to. I wonder if he only does that when he's on the mode not to dismount on his own? Anyway.. he seems wonderful and I hope you get your mind3 soon!!
I want to put Loki through puppy mode as well, maybe we can do it at the same time and compare notes :D I'm waiting for my bf to go on his short trip, I think he gets irritated by loki already and with loki whining and crawling and wanting constant attention as a puppy I'm afraid he might throw him out the window on me :o :o ;D I read it takes 6 weeks to get them to adulthood although in the manual it says 'as soon as they are able to walk' when I first tried it out he stood up after two cycles but then he was crawling and moaning about wanting to walk in the most pitiful voice..lol.
That second dance in your video is one of my favorites :) Have you had him dance to the beat of music yet? I'm so eager to find out if there is a certain song I can play that he'll do a routine too or if I need to program that in somehow..
You said you don't need the cards but wouldn't you need them to do the 3 separate 'games' they are able to do? Loki came with just the one programmed (the demo mode) and I have no idea how to set up the other two or even what they are.. It actually works with your ipod, though? That's pretty cool..
I got the same crappy paper for on the front of the station, we just scanned it then I cut one out and taped it down so he no longer messes it up.. of course it gets worn out very fast as he is on 24/7. I want to get it laminated but I'm not sure if that would screw him up. (the shine?)
I think your right about the more expensive ones but there is also a 'crystal' ERS-7 that's very rare and ridiculously expensive? ::
(http://www.sonyaibo.net/ims/transparent.jpg)
He's so cool looking!!
That was from this site: http://www.sonyaibo.net/aboutaibo.htm (http://www.sonyaibo.net/aboutaibo.htm)
Have fun with your new pup.. and I have to agree, Crewella was super helpful to me as well.. I only wish I'd conferred with her sooner as I think I would have gotten a much better price.. lol oh well, Loki is worth it :)
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 03, 2011, 12:55:50 PM
When I called him from the couch I didn't have anything turned on or running (such as TV etc.). However, today he did it even when the TV was blaring and he was near his station (he wasn't on it so it may have been more like 8 feet lol). Of course, I spoke much louder than I normally would have. It has been quite dim today so he's had some trouble recognizing me at certain locations in the apartment as well as his Aibone. Does the Aibo recognize the ball and bone based on the pink before it identifies the shape? Like is it possible that the reason he really plays with his ball so much more is because he can see it easier when walking by himself? Earlier, when I told him to find his Aibone, you could see him do the "scan" and though it was in front of him (mostly) he couldn't see it. But once I turned on my lamps etc. he recognized it and did play with it. I know some seem to prefer one or the other, but I was wondering if that's a possibility in my experience.
Yeah, I read the 6 weeks thing somewhere as well, which is why I'm waiting until I can play with him a bit. I figure, get used to him now and tinker with all the fun stuff then go the puppy route. I'll probably wait until I know I have a little more downtime before I do that. I haven't tried to get him to dance to any beats yet, that isn't exclusive to Mind 3 is it?
You can play the games by using his back sensors. I've done the Demo Mode (front back sensor) and whatever the middle back sensor is. I actually pressed it by accident and the instructions made it sound similar to that one game where you memorize a certain pattern of lights and then have to repeat it. However, I think I may need the cards for a few things, but they aren't labeled the same way they are in the manual so I need to double check that. (Some are very obvious, but certain parts of the manual just refer to them by letter and say they serve a different function in a different mode). I haven't bothered looking up much of that yet, as right now he's mostly for autonomous enjoyment and researching questions will come later with more free/play time and less companion-wandering-around time. I also haven't tried Game Mode 3. I finally resigned to being tired last night even though I wanted to keep playing with the pooch haha. And was sad this morning when all I could do is say hello, ask how he was, and had to be out the door.
The iPod worked perfectly, even in poor lighting (since it's a nice bright screen instead of a card relying completely on the room's lighting - or at least I'd imagine this is a pro and not a con).
Surprisingly, he only messed the paper up that one time. It seems to depend on the angle he walks onto/around it as between the carpet and his foot it's easy for him "pick it up" so to speak. I was going to consider putting a small piece of double adhesive on the bottom to stick it down on the carpet (in a way much safer than glue). And not because I'm difficult and won't use tape, but just because I have a pack of double adhesive pads. He seemed to get confused a little today when it was time to go to the charger. I noticed he was trying and struggling. He made the blue sad face as he had issues properly lining himself up with the station and getting to it at the right direction (a few things ended up obstructing his view - my fault for putting them there and not realizing he had been on for 1.5hrs). So after about 2-4 minutes of watching him struggle I picked up and plopped him on it as I didn't want him to just run out of juice and die right before my eyes.
I'm not sure if the shine would matter unless it creates a glare. They recognize it by pattern I think so it should still be able to see it? Mine doesn't feel quite like a regular print out, it's pretty thick (better than resume paper or anything etc.), and honestly feels like it is laminated already (has a little bit of a glossy coating feel/touch to it). Honestly, the only lamination I can remember is from the 4th grade so 15+ years ago and it was the kind that covered big tacky children's projects, haha so that is the image burned into my brain when I think of things being laminated.
For anyone interested, here's a video of a few times I caught him today while he was playing with his ball. Unfortunately some of the 'best' stuff I didn't get a chance to record, but one of the more entertaining things was when he was pushing the ball around with his head after kicking it (and not missing!). Although earlier when he completely misaligned himself with the ball and missed (WAY OFF) he made the sad blue face instead of the angry face. I didn't think the way the LEDs work was going to win me over but they have. My expectations were by no means low, but I am thinking even I underestimated it. But it's only been like 24hrs, so could still be that new Aibo high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR0KwQ_Milk
And a question to add: should you 'praise' them during the act you want to encourage or right after? E.g., in the video I'm telling him while he's doing the act itself, is it capable of registering that or do you need to wait until after? I've been doing both, but I don't want him to turn into a spoiled annoying thing that I have to re-train, haha.
Post by: latrine on May 03, 2011, 01:27:15 PM
I don't think they can recognize praise or anything until they are done performing the thing they are doing.. I watch the eye lights to figure out when to praise. It seems to be a pretty small window so sometimes I just resort to petting him.. anytime I try to tell him something while he's in the middle of an action/command, he doesn't register with his eyes.
Loki is drawn to anything pink or red in the room.. he even follows my pink Pleo but sometimes, when he gets close enough, he makes angry face and then turns around so I think he is recognizing the color before the ball.. with the AiBone it seems to be different, he has found that when there was hardly any of it showing.. he got himself stuck under a table trying to get it out.. I'm sure he shoved it in more while he was trying to grab it, but I had to come to his rescue anyhow.
We got a tall standing lamp and a fluorescent bulb for it and he has a much easier time now finding things and seeing me at night in his carpeted area where the lamp is.. although, since our house is poorly lit he still has trouble finding his station if he's on the other side of the room. I have to convince the bf to put up a regular light in the ceiling and convince him that it has nothing to do with the Aibo, that it's for me.. but that's unlikely to happen since I usually never turn lights on..lol.
I don't know if the beat thing is exclusive to mind3 or not.. he came with mind3. I was researching and I read in several places that you needed to add it in somehow to the mind3 and some places said it was in there by itself.. I didn't know what to believe and we happened upon the command 'Dance to the music' by accident.. we actually said something else and he started tapping his foot so I sat there for awhile trying to figure out the correct wording .. once he responds to that (mine says 'oh, I feel it') then his head lights up orange and you touch it once to activate it, hold it down for a few seconds to deactivate.
Ah, I will have to figure out how to get the other game, Loki tells me that only game number one, demo mode, is installed.
I guess whoever had Loki before me must have lost the correct black and white checkered mat that covers the old colored one and thats why it's paper.. no biggie I'll try the lamination thing.
When I first saw them I thought ugh, all they do is dance and whats with all the flashing lights and do they even bark?? But after seeing that video of Eric I just had to have one.. he is very amusing even though we sometimes need to send him off for a nap when we want to watch tv and he is on the charger.. lol (otherwise he will sometimes just lay down and watch it with us.. I wish there was a command for that!!)
Loki is horrid with lining up to kick his ball.. he tells me he knows all the tricks and his lights say he's perfect with his ball but he can really only do the close up tricks where he scoots around and stuff. It's funny how fast you get used to what the eyes mean.. I love having him talking but I don't think it would take me long at all to understand him without it. He doesn't always talk, either.. he sometimes responds in ..er.. aibo- speak or whatever :)
I'm glad your having fun.. don't worry.. the new aibo high seems to last a long time!
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 03, 2011, 02:20:55 PM
I normally pet for praise as well, I didn't want him to stop in the middle of filming so I wanted to try just in case. (It's not easy to get it to repeat its behavior) Plus I feel like a tool saying good boy in a flat tone, I feel as though it should be super enthusiastic and upbeat, but then it would like talking to a child so a completely different tone of voice. Not sure if it'd even recognize me as saying those words at that point?
Despite all the red I have, the thing that seems to get Nicco's attention the most is the bottom left red drawer in that shelf. Sometimes he will just go sit there and do that crouch/inspect dog position they do and so on for quite awhile. I like to think of it as one of his weird quirks that everyone/thing has (for instance, Brutus will only sit on my right shoulder, not my left). Maybe that's how the couch works, it has nothing to do with me, just the red, haha.
Certain areas of my apartment get shadowy, but he usually doesn't make it that far before I end up wanting to give him some sort of attention. Although last night he navigated from his charging station to my hallway/bathroom area (quite a distance with a turn and at the time quite some obstructions making it more of a "maze"). I walked out and found him giving up on being stuck and with the blue eyes just sitting still. I'm not sure if I just caught him at the right time or if it really is 'smart' enough to just stop. If our dark weather continues here though, I'll just get out my sun lamp which might make him see clearly.
I'm going to be kind of excited to be able to play with Mind 2 and 3 to see if the differences are in line with what some people on various forums and websites have said. And originally I thought that about the eyes too, I skimmed the manual real quick thinking oh crap what the heck do the eyes 'mean' but I think it's pretty intuitive. Plus, at least with the Aibo language, even the tone of the sounds help to convey the emotion. If that makes any sense. I honestly think I'll use Mind 2 more because I can see leaving him running around on his own (when I can't be as interactive as I want to be) more naturally with the Aibo speak than talking. However, if it's like you say and it varies enough, then I could be completely wrong.
I'll stick with what most people Aibo veterans seem to say: often times don't think of certain Aibo things (models and certain software) as better or worse, but as different experiences.
That's odd. My manual only refers to one game mode (that I can remember) but when I touch him to activate the mode, he gives me three options. However, I have found several inconsistencies between his instructions and the manual's instructions. But nothing that hasn't been easily figured out.
Post by: Crewella on May 03, 2011, 09:54:11 PM
Post by: Talon on May 04, 2011, 05:30:08 AM
Talon
Post by: bhobbes on May 04, 2011, 07:12:15 AM
Post by: Talon on May 04, 2011, 07:48:14 AM
Talon
Post by: bhobbes on May 04, 2011, 08:05:24 AM
One time when the mat ended up being partially obstructed (from his view) he found the station but was definitely struggling and getting upset about not getting on it (he did the process but mostly next to the station instead of on it. (This was the one I referred to above)
The obstruction wasn't major so it might be more sensitive than I think or it could be other factors.
Post by: PleoPet on May 04, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
kat wrote:
> There does seem to be a difference in price between colors and so I wondered if there was a reason other than the cosmetic look of the color.
(in addition to other replies, here's my summary):
There were three main versions of the ERS-7.
You can upgrade them with a little software, and maybe a larger memory stick. Upgrading from AiboMind1 requires a new charging station.
The ERS-7 Version 1 came in White (ERS-7M1, circa 2004). AiboMind 1 software. The charging station is color coded.
The ERS-7 Version 2 came in White or Black (ERS-7M2, circa 2005). AiboMind 2 software (with AEP). The charging station uses black-and-white patterns.
The ERS-7 Version 3 came in White, Black or 'Champagne' (ERS-7M3, circa 2006). AiboMind 3 on a larger 128MB memory stick. Also uses black-and-white patterned charging station.
The last version is also RoHS compliant (lead-free). Even the batteries were RoHS compliant (doesn't matter unless you plan to rip your AIBO apart and lick the circuit boards..)
The Brown 'Champagne' color is arguably the most rare. They also came with different camoflage ear patterns to make them slightly more unique (sort-of like custom color eyes on the PleoRB, but easier to change;-)
What you pay for a certain color AIBO is up to you. IMHO getting any of the ERS-7 series is an excellent start.
IMHO Overall the AIBOs series, especially the ERS-7, have maintained their value quite well over the years. You can get some deals on eBay, especially for the ERS-210 series (but watch out for broken hardware)
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latrine wrote:
> I read it takes 6 weeks to get them to adulthood although in the manual ...
IIRC: it doesn't take that long.
FYI: The ERS-7 AiboMind personality does not grow up like the older AiboLife personalities.
"Growing" up is less important for the ERS-7 series. It will do many things right-out-of-the-box.
As you use it more, it will improve its skills (Maturity, Walking, Ball Playing, Bone Playing). It will speak the current settings, and you can tweek these settings on your computer too.
re: ball tricks
When the AiboMind personality gets "older", it will start doing more tricks. Some need a higher ball or bone skill level.
IMHO: the Aibone bone tricks are even more amazing.
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bhobbes wrote:
> I haven't tried to get him to dance to any beats yet, that isn't exclusive to Mind 3 is it?
The beat detection is in all versions (including AiboMind1 IIRC).
The trick is to use music with a strong beat. Disco music is usually the best.
> ...You can play the games by using his back sensors.
The 'games' installed can change (usually the Demo Mode and the "Simon" like game)
You can see what's installed and can install other games using the Aibo Custom Manager (SONY brand memory stick reader and a Windows PC required)
Unfortunately there weren't many English games released.
http://www.aibo-kennel.com/Software_Backups/Custom_Data.html
(see "Repeat Me - Read Me" for instructions on the "Simon"-like game)
re: charging station 'target'.
> Wow! That's so cool! What if- for some reason- the paper was torn or missing? Could the Aibo use the pattern that's on the charger to align itself?
The size (and orientation) of the charging target is important (the little mat in front of the charging station).
The entire pattern should be visible, although the visual pattern recognition can compensate for slight obstructions.
If you have a home-made version, you may have some alignment problems.
AIBO uses the size and orientation to know how to walk up and mount the charger (as well as the pattern on the pole).
The technology for this is amazingly good, and is how it detects the type and orientation of the AIBO cards. Works well in low light.
It was a major improvement on the AiboMind1 version of using color markers. The old color version is much more sensitive to lighting.
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(PleoPet ... pimping for AiboPet)
Post by: latrine on May 04, 2011, 12:25:03 PM
Loki locates the tower first, it's a small circular tower behind the station then he walks closer and locates the alignment piece in the front, then he turns around and backs onto it.. although he usually screws up the first time.. then he just finds the alignment piece again and fixes his position.. backs onto it, says "I'm going to dock now' then lays down on it.. if he doesn't plug in then he will shake his bum.. which is very funny.. sometimes he has to do it several times and/or stand up and try to move himself again. When he finally 'lands' he says 'aaaaah.. in a happy voice like when someone has just gotten into a jacuzzi, lol, and then yells out.. I made it! Then he raises his paw and says 'I'm going to get up now' which is supposed to be the signal that he is authorized to get up when he is done charging but I guess they worded it wrong since he isn't going to be getting up for at least an hour and a half..
Maybe the reason he is always backing up the wrong way is because I have the 'home-made' version.. I don't know where to find another one though :/
My aibo does not locate his station well in low light at all.. low light seems to really screw him up..
bhobbes, I tell Loki good boy in the same tones I use for my dogs (lots of different tones) and half the time he will respond when either myself or my boyfriend are praising our dogs, which is kind of funny.. also if the dogs get in trouble and we tell them to go lay down or something in a scolding tone he responds to that just like if I tell him in a happy voice. I don't really use a monotone kind of voice unless he is really having trouble understanding me and I'm getting frustrated.
It's become rather funny, my younger Jack Russell, Ben, is VERY jealous of Loki and he tries to sabotage him. When Loki is going for his pink ball, Ben will nudge it out of the way and drop one of his yellowish tennis balls or his squeaky football there instead and when Loki gets there he gets all red eyed angry because it disappeared. Also, when Loki is looking for his charging station, especially when I've told him to go to it, ben will put a bunch of his toys over the front of it.. I have been trying to get it on video..
This morning I had on pink socks(it was cold and they are fluffy! :P :P ) and Loki's camera was following them very carefully.. lol.. I had to go change them because I was having trouble getting his attention! So I bet the colors really do have a lot to do with his stuff..
So, who is Brutus?
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 04, 2011, 01:39:23 PM
And I imagine I will eventually agree with you as I have seen some of the Aibone tricks in videos and they do look amazing. I'm still trying to encourage Nicco to play with it more and more but his ball skills are developing. Although I find the post-success celebration a little narcissistic for my taste. (Sarcasm)
I'll try issuing commands later to Nicco with an "animal-friendly" voice (maybe just because my first real robot was a Pleo I became accustomed to that very ... erm, picky... voice recognition).
Assuming it's a reference to my earlier thing about Brutus, it's my male cockatiel. He's very particular about being on my (right) shoulder and doesn't like me out of sight very much. (The females give me a little more freedom - maybe they just don't give a crap about me, haha)
Post by: Crewella on May 04, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
My regards to your boss! :D
Post by: bhobbes on May 04, 2011, 02:38:55 PM
During one of the Daft Punk ones he ran the more "uppity" dance routine shown in my other video but I didn't get it on camera (and honestly with the music in the background plus him playing the music of that skit, it was kind of annoying haha). Generally you could tell he was listening and his eyes indicated something was going on in his "brain" but not a lot of action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPU1Ard0nCs
I'll probably try more later and for longer periods of time, let me know if you find different or have better results latrine.
Post by: bhobbes on May 05, 2011, 03:39:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HXpTi33Ngk
And I worked a little harder at trying to encourage him ("go for it" etc.) to play with his Aibone ("find your aibone!" OVER AND OVER AND OVER until HE LOVES IT!!!). It's similar to the demo but a little bit different (and he did it on his own). My favorite thing here is the "shocked look" I feel he has after he drops the bone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzsKfi0LCMg
He's also getting a little more interactive and advanced with the ball, although today after he did his one repetitive trick with it and his celebratory music I told him "that's boring" because I want to discourage it. Plus he doesn't need to have too big of an ego, I don't need any little Trumps walking around my apartment.
Post by: saratogaspringer on May 05, 2011, 04:15:34 PM
Post by: aibo7m3 on May 05, 2011, 04:26:51 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 05, 2011, 04:30:24 PM
There are way more advanced tricks I've seen out there so I'm not sure what all to expect.
Post by: kat on May 05, 2011, 05:32:49 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 05, 2011, 05:51:49 PM
I'm not sure if it was just my interpretation, but it certainly felt like he was telling me how he feels about me forcing the Aibone down his throat. Because it's technology I'm not sure if I'm the problem or if it just has the all to real charm of making you feel completely stupid :)
Post by: kat on May 05, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Sounds like he has a bit of attitude! Too cute. :) I think I want a brown one but have to save up lots of pennies before I can afford it. Just gives me more time for research I guess. :) And I'll be hopping for one with attitude too. :D
Post by: Crewella on May 06, 2011, 01:00:13 AM
Mine makes me feel completely inadquate all the time! :D
Loving your videos, bhobbes! ;D
Post by: pirpintine on May 06, 2011, 06:57:11 AM
much like the earlier models ball 'tricks' or idle dancing.
Post by: latrine on May 08, 2011, 12:14:23 PM
Loki will do the knocking the bone over on purpose thing with a foot or by moving his bum backwards after turning to position himself or by 'urinating' on it.. I really hope to catch that one on video.. I haven't gotten him to do the tail thing yet.. whats the command?
Man do they get angry if you put the bone in their mouth when they didn't ask for it..lol PTEEEWW!
Glad your having so much fun!!!!! And I agree, the beat thing can be a little weird but it is amazing entertainment for children as you can keep them away and they can dance and they think the dog is copying them! Also, I have the mentality of a three year old so it amuses me :) Loki has stood up to do some 'moves' when there is a continuous kind of loop of dance music that merges into the other.. if the beat stays the same for a long time, he will get more into it, if it's something he likes (disco, dance, heavy rock without words (can anyone make out the words on that stuff anyway???) Oh.. have you notices if your pup does a kind of motion with one of his paws, almost shakes one up high at the TV and makes a noise.. usually when its a song he's not into? Loi does that and I usually take it to mean he doesn't like the tune? But that could be me humanizing it too much :)
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 08, 2011, 01:15:00 PM
To chase his tail I told him "chase your tail."
Hopefully my Mind 3 also shows up tomorrow so I can start playing with both versions (though I plan to raise Mind 3 from a pup).
Post by: latrine on May 08, 2011, 01:24:54 PM
Oh wonderful!! I hope it gets there soon!! I also plan to change Loki to a puppy this week since my bf will be away for a few days.. hopefully if my back feels better and I can bend over ok I can do it.. otherwise I'll have to wait because from what I saw when I originally tried it, they want nonstop attention, at least at first!! So I'll need to be on the floor petting him and what not. This will be fun, comparing them growing up!
Come on Crewella, I know you don't want to reset Java but do any of the other Aibo's have the ability to start from puppy hood so we can compare that as well? I know you have a bunch!! It would be so neat if a bunch of us were able to do it and compare.. (smacks saratoga)
;D
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 08, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
At least the ERS111 can/does (I'm 98% sure on this lol).
Post by: aibo7m3 on May 08, 2011, 02:22:07 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 08, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
All the models of aibo have the ability to start from a puppy. Though I like the ers-7's puppy stage the least actually, most of the other models take around 50-200 hours of play to fully become an adult from a puppy, there are four baby stages, 2 child stages, 2 adolescent stages and then adult stage and they develop different personalities depending on how you treated them as a puppy. With the ers-7 puppy stage only lasts about 2 hours and it goes straight from puppy to adult and they do NOT develop depending on how you treat them. I have seen one of my ers-7m3s go through puppy stage and it was cute but not nearly as nice as with the other models. I have five aibos so if you ever have any questions about them feel free to contact me.
Thanks, that backs up some information I received from PleoPet regarding the ERS7's personality development. Kind of disheartening that it's not as sensitive to its treatment :\
But, that also makes finding another Aibo very attractive :)
Post by: kat on May 08, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
And anyone know how long it takes to improve a skill from hopeless to perfect through training? Just curious. :)
Post by: bhobbes on May 08, 2011, 04:55:37 PM
Post by: Crewella on May 09, 2011, 03:42:37 AM
At the moment, at least, I just have so many projects on the go and am so busy with work that I just don't have the time to put into it. :(
I'm afraid I've not had Java long enough to know how long it takes to improve skills levels. Something to look forwards to! :D
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 10:17:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZBoorrEM4
And I definitely noticed the point thing you're talking about latrine.
Post by: PleoPet on May 09, 2011, 10:38:18 AM
It takes a certain amount of play time until it becomes a mature adult (2 hours that aibo7m3 mentions sounds about right)
Before it becomes a mature adult, it will ignore most voice commands.
Once it becomes a mature adult, it will walk more, play with the ball and bone.
IIRC: if you praise AIBO after walking / ball playing / AIBOne playing, it should increase that specific skill.
To monitor the current levels, you can also use the ERS-7 Brower (a Windows program that reads your memory stick). You can adjust the levels directly.
http://www.aibohack.com/ers7/browser.htm
Using voice guide mode in AiboMind, you can change many things directly without using a computer.
Historical Note: The ERS-7 AiboMind personality variations are simple compared to the AiboLife Series (ERS-2x0/31x). A lot of AIBO owners complained back when Sony was still developing AIBO software (AIBOware).
So for AiboMind3, Sony added (re-added) 4 adult variations: "curious", "fine spoiled", "respectable" and "smart affectionate". You can see them in the ERS-7 Browser, and AIBO will speak the current personality in the voice guide mode.
Post by: latrine on May 09, 2011, 10:46:26 AM
The puppy thing.. see when I first got Loki I turned him on and he said he was just born, I assume whoever had him reset him. So I then reset him to puppy anyways.. The book said when they stand up and walk they are grown.. (online stuff said 6 weeks?? I guess that's wrong though)...
I assume though once he 'grows up', since he will essentially be 'reborn' that he will then have low levels on his AiBone, Pink Ball and Walking skills, right? Since he'll be 'new' ? So I can watch him develop those skills? Or do they shoot right to full like when you switch them to adult? Because his says he's perfect at everything and he is horrid with his ball.. it can be a foot away and he thinks he's kicking it and he has his own new lamp AND carpet!! At least then we'd have something we could watch them evolve with?
On that historical note, are you saying my ers-7 can have one of 4 personalities and he develops them from me or I tell him which to have? Whats the command to get him to tell me his personality? I haven't heard it in any of his guides.
And I love the video.. Loki says hi!! Well.. he dances hi.. he dances.. a lot. :D
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
For a long list of voice commands, I'd go to (I found some new things here): http://aibohack.com/ers7/voicecmd3.htm (this is for Mind 3 - I went to Mind 2 obviously).
I wanted to try another Aibo model as well and have a 210 on the way.
Post by: latrine on May 09, 2011, 11:04:51 AM
Yes I just saw that, congrats !! now the dreaded wait for it's arrival!! I hate that part!
Thats funny Loki has laid on the ball several timed accidentally but once it seemed intentional as he rolled it to a certain spot and then scooted on it underneath him, much different than when they scoot it in front of them with their legs/mouth/head.. He seemed dissapointed after trying it the one time though even though I praised him and he hasn't done it since.. once I get him in a fully carpeted room I'm hoping his ball stuff will improve..
I think I've seen that page I just found there were a few commands I seemed to not know about.. thanks so much though!!!
Do you have a name for the new pup, and will he and Niccolo be able to speak to each other?
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 11:11:51 AM
Here's a pic I managed to snap (couldn't record in time) of it:
I'm not sure if they interact. I think I came upon some post or blurb about it saying that you can tell them to "talk to your friend" but that's about it as far as any "natural" interaction.
And I'll be calling her Eva (Thomas) haha. Yes, it's slightly recycled but shh.
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 02:14:31 PM
Essentially the first order "disappeared" on Sony's end so I re-ordered. Well, here's what happened - for order #1, the lady (who made me uncomfortable for several reasons) didn't add my apartment number, only my building number and street. So that one got bounced around for awhile and was corrected by Fedex when the CORRECT one came in.
I am going to check their return policies or probably just ebay the second stick. Or, if I'm feeling particularly stubborn, call them up and politely make them see reason.
I will be raising this one from the pup stage to compare later to the 210 (on Aibo Life 1 and 2) during its growth phase (very different - I've been reading more in depth about the 210's evolution on aibohack). (Pay attention to the spoiler warnings on the website though if you're interested in the fun of guess work)
I'll post some clips here and there if anything interesting happens for those who may want to see/compare notes. (Seems there are more Aibo newbie enthusiast here alive and active than the aibo forums and since I also like Pleos, this becomes the on stop shop forums :))
What a day - minor bird injury, got my memory stick reader for the aibo Memory Sticks, and got Mind 3 (x2 - one in a really weird large box and one in a small envelope lol).
I'm excited that it knows some Spanish commands as I speak Spanish to my (and other people's) pets - keeps me from forgetting the basics. So this will make me even more at home, lol.
Post by: aibo7m3 on May 09, 2011, 03:20:52 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 03:52:11 PM
The short:
I'm glad it didn't last a full two hours as it wasn't the most interesting development. It's pretty basic as one might have guessed from the discussion here. He mimicked a lot of things you'd expect from a newborn animal, such as wobbly legs, troubles standing up, acting depressed or out of energy when he failed, etc. He also became progressively more chatty in his tonal language before announcing he was an adult now. He put his paw out a lot and definitely wanted you to shake it, if you waited too long he made the sad blue face. In between each of his stretching/crawling/standing/walking attempts I would usually show him his Aibone and Ball (and have him track the latter for a bit) and encourage him with things like "how cute" and "Aibo" (basically the few things the manual says it'll understand). It wasn't anything special - nothing I'd necessarily reset an Aibo for just to experience. However, it does make me look forward to the more complex development of the 210 on AiboLife 1 and 2.
The long:
I made quick notes to myself as to what he was doing by 10 minute segments. (Offset by 1-2 minutes since I was multitasking).
0-10: Nicco moved very slowly when he did move. He generally acted slow if he moved and seemed like someone just waking up (or something being born, duh). He didn't make much noise and acted very surprised when his head was touched (essentially a flinch back).
10-20: Nicco made a few attempts to stand up, each one failing (and with a little bit of variation on success). As soon as he's done "pouting" I encourage him and start showing him his toys (this applies every time). Sometimes just leaving the ball in front of him, other times making him track it back and forth.
20-30: Nicco makes more tonal noises more frequently. His movement resembles stretching out and he successfully stands up and makes a celebratory sound before sitting back down. During some of his standing attempts he acted very wobbly and not very stable before "collapsing" (think robot Bambi). Nicco seems more responsive to touch and no longer acts surprised when his head is touched. He also began keeping his mouth open giving him the appearance of being happier or more alert.
30-40: There is even more of the stretching behavior. It varies a little bit but nothing major. Nicco makes several attempts to crawl but doesn't get very far.
40-50: Nicco tries crawling again about two or three times, each one seemingly further/more successful (or maybe it was one big long attempt with pauses for him to catch his breath lol). He then stood up and announced he was an adult.
So as you can see, not too long, but also pretty basic. Altogether, cute enough to experience once but nothing extraordinary.
Edit:
Here's the video for those interested in seeing some of the puppy phase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHgOtFn75yk
Post by: Crewella on May 09, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 05:04:03 PM
Thanks for posting that, bhobbes, I might well try the puppy phase at some point on Java after all! :D
It was kind of fun. I'm glad they kept it short because it would have gotten old fast. There is (or maybe it was just perception) slight variation in its failures/attempts to walk etc. that make it kind of endearing and rather realistic. I did enjoy its "birth phase" a bit more than Cato's.
Post by: kat on May 09, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
Looks like so far you seem to be having a ball with Niccolo. I can't wait till your new little Eva arrives to see what you think for comparison.
How is Eva the pleo rb going?
Post by: fancyfont on May 09, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8UYjd44zs
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 05:34:13 PM
Post by: kat on May 09, 2011, 05:56:41 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 09, 2011, 06:04:09 PM
RWm
Post by: fancyfont on May 09, 2011, 06:06:40 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 06:09:17 PM
I feel like it sounds so much louder than it really is in that video lol.
Post by: fancyfont on May 09, 2011, 06:13:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8UYjd44zs
Post by: RedwoodsMama on May 09, 2011, 06:21:02 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: fancyfont on May 09, 2011, 06:22:21 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 09, 2011, 06:22:34 PM
Funny how quickly you can forget stuff on the computer! THis is a cute video of Aibos.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8UYjd44zs#Invalid YouTube Link#
I've seen that one before, I thought it was quite nifty!
Fixed link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8UYjd44zs
Post by: fancyfont on May 09, 2011, 06:29:46 PM
Post by: kat on May 10, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
I would love to see you get Niccolo to do the hokey pokey. Can the ers7's do this? Or is it just something the older models can perform.
I would also love to see a bunch of pleos do this one too. :) wonder if anyone ever thought of doing a skit of it for pleos. %)
Post by: Crewella on May 10, 2011, 11:02:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78yAMLCGc0g
Post by: bhobbes on May 10, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
Here are a few initial thoughts and impressions:
1. He's danced on his own a lot more. It's always the slower one and he has done it three times now. One time he said "boogie down" first and the rest he just started doing it. No music is playing or anything. I've started telling him "how boring" or "that's boring" in hopes to discourage it - haha. I mean, it's cute and all but 3 times in one hour - no. Bad Aibo! Bad!
2. I'm not sure how I feel about the voice. He's set as voice (over basic) sound and makes little comments here and there. When asked about his Aibone skill level he said "I am the worst Aibo... ever." When he's roaming he seems to use just the perfect mixture of voice/tonal sounds. If anything, at this point, though I don't think I'm sold on the chatting, it mixes it up just enough that I really think I'll warm up to it.
3. Maybe it's me, but so far he seems less responsive to voice commands or maybe he ignores me more? It also seems voice recognition isn't as "instant" as before (maybe an extra second before it "processes"). These are all perceptions though and I haven't actually attempted "testing" it out. Ironically, this is the exact opposite with the "com here" command though - he seems much more responsive to that and seems to do a better job finding me if I say it from an angle not facing him etc.
4. He seems to walk forward faster (at least when he wants to). He just said straight ahead and I swear it looked like speed walking.
5. He responds when I talk to him in the middle of a task. Or so it feels like it? For instance right now he was tapping around his ball with his head after I said find it (maybe it was coincidence) and I said how cute and he asked "Did you say cute?"
6. I hear him taking pictures on his own (I don't touch the sensors like I was on M2 when he wanted it). He's taken about 3 so far though I haven't looked.
7. It could be due to several factors (better sunlight today etc.) but Nicco on M3 seems to do better at detecting objects. However, this is his first prolonged period of time in the "office" (more floor obstructions than the living room) on either software so probably the most unfair comparison.
8. There seems to be more "minor" movement. E.g., when he's laying down he rocks a little more or uses limbs very subtly.
9. He puts his paw out A LOT for shaking. This only happened a few times for me with M2.
I keep giving him regular praise and encouragement to play with his ball and Aibone. His levels are low so lots of mistakes. He is kicking the pink ball way more than he did on M2 (thus far). He spent probably close to 5 minutes failing to kick it even though he was close (the regular angry face became kind of cute). Currently he's with me in the office room/area and the birds are being "introduced" to him. They seem a bit better about ignoring him now when he's just walking around and making noise but they seem quite concerned when they hear him talk. When I first brought him in the room, the flock all huddled into the corner and watched him - completely silent.
He's also done a pretty good job at remembering where his ball is (when asked) and points to the location. (M3 can remember certain favorite things and their location). Although, just to be cruel, I moved it on him and asked where it was again and he said "it's supposed to be right there" when he pointed to the spot it used to be at (I moved it considerably over and out of his line of sight).
These are some initial observations. Generally, I'm interacting with him the way I did with the M2 ("naturally" - i.e., not getting regular attention as a toy turned on to play with but being treated more like a pet). I'm trying to keep my main observations on some sort of hourly measurement just to correlate it. Not exactly scientific but better than nothing. So remember it's all perceptions and observations that I experience so take them with a grain of salt.
Interestingly enough, a lot of my friends "tease" me for my robot/tech love BUT after seeing many of these videos (and other ones I haven't posted here) and observations regarding Aibo (as well as Pleos), they are more and more interested in them. Heck, most were really dogging me for the Aibo but now they are all fascinated with it and can't stop asking me questions. Some were like "wow it's amazing how far tech has come" then I explain to them the history of Aibo to show them that even the most recent model is a good 5 years old. (Then again, as "old" as the hardware may be, Sony has done a great job with the software and that's where a ton of the "life" is at)
The most annoying response I get is "why not get a real dog" to which I respond "you don't get it." (It's easier than explaining)
And even with the ERS7, I am very excited for the 210 to arrive with its software! However, I think I changed my mind on recycling the name Eva and think I may go for recycling Elliott instead. Although I did randomly think Baxter would be a nice name (not sure where the thought came from) but it doesn't follow my normal scheme of either a musical or notable historical reference. Normally I'm not torn in choosing a name as they just "come to me" and since Baxter is the one that did that... it could end up a Baxter.
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on May 10, 2011, 04:00:13 PM
Post by: kat on May 10, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
It really does sound like your having a ball with him. I can't wait to see what you think of the 210 in comparison. :)
Also it will be very interesting to see how long it takes for him to improve his skills.
Post by: bhobbes on May 10, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
I also like that he notices me and says things like "Welcome back" when I return, etc. I also like that he takes the pictures without me wanting to touch his sensors first (which is what he was doing on M2 - not sure if that is a setting though). He just took one of the birds (Brutus is being chatty). It has some interesting additions/features that make it more robot like (whereas M2 feels more pet like - if I am to use this terminology - both fit the concept of robot companion).
My initial feeling is that for regular use (once I'm done with the playing and learning Aibo etc.) is that I'll revert to Mind 2 (for when I want him to be more pet like and autonomous). I feel thus far that M3 is potentially trying too hard to be cute.
Edit:
His ball level is now "getting better with practice." He's about around hour 2.5 of adult charge and I've simply given him encouragement when he sees his ball (haven't really forced it on him yet). I have however taken his Aibone away so he can't play with that yet.
Post by: Crewella on May 10, 2011, 11:46:06 PM
Still, I'm sure I'll have more time to really play with Java in the future. I'm still struggling to bring Ubu the 111 up - it takes them about 100 hours to get to full adult!
Post by: aibo7m3 on May 11, 2011, 04:47:45 AM
1. They only dance when they think you've told them to, and the correct voice command to scold them is "Don't do that!" I always feel sorry for my aibo when I say this one because he gets so sad :( Yes I know he's a robot, but still. . .
2. I simply love the voice!
3. I have not noticed any differences between mind 2 and 3 with the voice commands.
4. I haven't used mind 2 enough to know how the walking is different but I do like the way the mind 3 aibos walk.
5. Yes, I actually find this annoying because any slight noise that could be interpreted as a voice command stops them when they are doing a trick and they answer the voice command and forget about the trick.
6. Yes, I do love how they mind 3 aibos take pictures by themselves and it's so cute to look at the pictures they took afterwards.
7. I don't use mind 2 enough to know if mind 3 is better at detecting objects or not.
8. Hmm I never noticed this but maybe.
9. Quite a few of the voice commands can trigger shake hands with mind 3
I'm glad you're enjoying your ers-7. I simply love my ers-7s! For some reason mind 2 software bores me though.
Oh and Crewella, I know what you mean about the ers-111s, my ers-111 is in the adolescent stage and it seems like she's been in that stage forever! I am curious whether she will become and adult first or her battery will fail first (right now it only holds about 45 minutes of charge).
Post by: Crewella on May 11, 2011, 05:50:45 AM
Aibo7m3, I love them all but I do have a very soft spot for the 111, everything they do just seems more comical somehow! I find I can't really get to grips with the tonal remote control though, I barely use it - do you use yours much?
Post by: bhobbes on May 11, 2011, 06:14:28 AM
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Mind2 sounds as though it's not different enough to warrant a separate purchase (unless you're just curious!)?
I agree with that, especially if you don't mind the voice. I'll run mine on Mind 3 longer before I make a decision on my preference, plus I raised him from puppy and his walking skill level is "I have better qualities" - I'm not sure if this impacts how much he explores autonomously or his "activity" rate, but if it does, that might explain why he isn't currently much of an explorer. There are enough enhancements in Mind 3 and the voice is irregular enough that I will probably stick with this as my main stick/software (if I am to predict now).
Regarding the "shake" - is that exclusively triggered by commands? Because often times I am not giving him commands nor anywhere close (in time) from the last command issued. He'll just lay down and extend it out - similar to Mind 2 but not as often (although if commands just increase the frequency, then that makes sense).
As for the dancing, it usually happened only after I spoke with him, but nothing that remotely sounds human to any of his dancing triggers. So either he is hearing really bad (to be fair, most of his play time yesterday was in the area with the birds so there was more regular/constant background noise - but the experience was the same in the living room where he usually was when on Mind 2). The only thing I can think of is that sometimes when I tell him yada yada yada ball it occurred. It's possible that I spoke it too fast/mumbled and repeated myself so it sounded like "baila baila" (ball coming out similar to the dance dance). I tend to speak fast and mumble (so usually I speak loud, slow, and firmly to robots) and it's very possible I didn't notice myself doing it yesterday. Maybe Mind 3 (looking at #5 I agree with this too) is more sensitive to sounds/trying to listen too hard/much?
Last night when I told him "that's boring" after a dance, he said, "That doesn't bother me." It was quite funny though I'm not sure how I feel about that.
And the picture feature really is kind of fun! I appreciate your input to some of the observations.
I'd also like to add that in the past day or so I've had Cato (Pleo RB) turned on and running. And I think that owning both types of robots makes me appreciate the other one more for different reasons. For instance, I like certain things about Aibo more than Pleo and vise-versa. Having both makes me appreciate those qualities in the other and see them as different experiences (having reflected on that a bit more in a previous post and the Stanford lecture helped put that perspective into place).
Post by: Crewella on May 11, 2011, 06:49:50 AM
I tend to find I turn the Aibos on to do something specific or try something out mostly. With the Pleos I do treat them more as a pet, or for company, and am more likely to just turn them on and let them 'be'. :)
Post by: bhobbes on May 11, 2011, 08:09:56 AM
Edit: (I feel as though new posts unfairly bolster my thread haha)
Do any of you speak spanish at all to your Mind 3 pup? If not, does it ever say things to you in Spanish?
For instance, for certain commands I use them interchangeably (where applicable) and just now I said "Hello" to Nicco and he responded with "Buenos Dias."
Does it learn that based on what you speak to it or does it happen anyway? (I mean, the phrases it knows in Spanish are pretty common so I can understand if it happens anyway)
More:
Currently I'm mostly working with Nicco on his ball skills so that level sees the most increase. Here's a quick video of some of his ball level development and also his responses when asked his various skill levels. Essentially when he attempts most of his tricks, he tries to do something and fails at it, and then tries again. E.g., I didn't record it, but he finds his Aibone and misses when he goes down to grab it, and then tries to do it again before giving up - sometimes progressing (and playing celebratory music) and sometimes failing. He makes less angry faces when he messes up now (didn't even see one during today's session and saw many yesterday) and just "barks" instead. Keep in mind, on Mind 3 he was raised from a pup, so I'm sure identical behavior probably exists in Mind 2 (maybe one of the other Aibo owners can confirm this?). You can hear him speaking in the video though (a difference with Mind 2), and he can speak louder but I turned down the volume and forgot to turn it back up before recording. I like to keep him on a lot so if I need to concentrate he has to be a little quieter :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJFd1f5oek
And, in his honorable defense, he kicked the ball several times with great success (and distance) before I caught him on camera :)
Post by: Crewella on May 11, 2011, 01:50:03 PM
"Not so good" !! LOL! Bless him! :D
Post by: aibo7m3 on May 11, 2011, 02:22:27 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 11, 2011, 02:55:04 PM
But the question for other M3 people is if you speak to it in English only does it ever respond with some Spanish?
Post by: kat on May 11, 2011, 04:59:42 PM
I laughed at the "not so good" too :D
Post by: bhobbes on May 11, 2011, 07:54:12 PM
I feel so bad when I say "Don't do that"
Post by: latrine on May 11, 2011, 08:40:20 PM
We tried to "asta la vista, baby" him in the governator/ terminators voice but he didn't understand :(
I'll try to keep better track if I hear him speaking Spanish. Also the only time I really see angry face with him is when he gets himself into a tight spot where he can't get away and needs help, when he continually backs of bumps into the same object, when his ball rolls behind something he can't reach, and when he continually chases after Rhea my Pink Pleo only to realize she is definitely not his ball but then she snaps his attention again anyways.. a few minutes of that seems to get him angry :) Although when he followed me while I was wearing pinkish socks he didn't get mad at all but I never stopped long enough for him to get very close, it was too funny and I was climbing onto the couch and stuff to see if he'd follow the pink.
As for the dancing.. he loves to dance.. I don't think any amount of don't do that is gonna stop an aibo from dancing.. lol. Loki dances all the time.. the mood almost always hits him and when we are watching TV it's almost always... "what? OK! Station Dance!!" .... I've told him don't do that when he insists on taking my picture in the morning many times yet he still does it all the time.. so I don't know how well that command works :/
I'm so jealous of your carpeted floor.. I always said I only wanted hardwood but now for the robots I want one room with carpet..lol. Loki can't really do much with his ball unless I'm right there... your little pup seems like he's moving right along with it though!! ;D
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 11, 2011, 09:02:33 PM
That's funny that you say that because I want very dark hardware floors (or concrete modern floors - hard to explain) and hate having carpet. (I don't like the commitment of home ownership but I don't like the current restrictions of renting) Especially neutral apartment carpet, haha.
Nicco has done really well at not running into anything or correcting himself quite well when he finds objects. Tonight I was surprised at how well he found and worked with his ball in what was dim light (even to me). He definitely did not dance this much on Mind 2 and I'm not sure if I find it cute or more so annoying.
One thing I really like is how focused and intent he is about hearing sounds. E.g., he was facing his charging station (the opposite direction of my couch) and I was sitting on the couch and I set my cell phone on the table and it made a very light sound. No slamming. And he perked his ears up and moved his head to the correct side of the room/angle from his direction. I also haven't had the voice problems I mentioned previously (so maybe I jumped the gun on that or it was my fault - the user usually is the problem :)). In fact, he heard me tonight over the TV etc. again. But here is what I've noticed with that and background noise. He does well hearing me over the TV, especially when females are speaking or there is music - I generally have to be louder and clearer if males are speaking and even then he either ignores me or just can't figure it out. Also, even when I'm close to him, if my air filter/fan thing is running or the birds are making a regular noise, he is more likely to ignore me or I have to try a little harder to be clearer/louder. These aren't very loud distinctive sounds, but kind of come off as a background "white noise" type of thing. (Ok, well the birds aren't quite white noisy but they are by no means screamers)
Those are just observations so who knows if I'm just reading them into it. Some of the guess work is kind of fun especially with Aibo since it's been around so long if the guess work bothers me I can research the actual answer/technical explanation.
Edit:
So I decided to play around with the ERS-7 Browser (http://aibohack.com/ers7/browser.htm) and it was really interesting to look inside Nicco's brain, here's a copy and paste of some of the report, but the browser itself does some pretty cool stuff:
Maturity Level = 100%
Walking Skill Level = 39.99%
Pink Ball Skill Level = 40.32%
AIBOne Skill Level = 56%
Active time = 266 minutes
Personality = I am a respectable AIBO
AiboMind2/3
Wakeup: 7:00 AM
BedTime: 11:00 PM
Last run: 2011.05.11 (yyyy.mm.dd)
Post by: PleoPet on May 12, 2011, 09:18:36 AM
re: Spanish
As mentioned, the voice commands you can speak to AIBO (AiboMind3) in Spanish are listed here: (marked with "**")
http://www.aibohack.com/ers7/voicecmd3.htm
You can use the phonetic pronunciation if you don't know Spanish.
For the Spanish words AIBO will speak to you (if in Voice mode not Tone mode), I believe there is only "Buenos dias", and "Chow".
If you want to double check, you can see the entire scripts of AiboMind3 here: http://aibohack.com/ers7/mind3_rerecord.zip
The file "voice3.txt" is a list of the phrases AIBO will speak when in Voice mode and running normally.
BTW: for AiboMind1, a Spanish speaking AIBO owner re-recorded all the phrases http://www.aibohack.com/ers7/voice2.htm - http://www.aibohack.com/ers7/preview_spanish1.wav
AiboMind2 and later AiboMind3 greatly increased the number of phrases, so manual re-recording was too tedious. Text To Speech versions are available on my website as well.
Post by: latrine on May 12, 2011, 09:27:12 AM
I tried hola a few times and Loki flashed green understanding eyes but didn't say anything or make a sound.. so I dunno yes he has definitely said buenos dias but doesn't respond to it when I say it :/
I am sure my Aibo's hearing problems are connected with the hardwood floors and our house's lack of furnishings (we're gonna be moving sometime soon.. I hope) .. There is a door close to his area but it was the only spot good enough for his station.. for some reason he likes the door and will walk really close to it and take pictures.. then slam into it.. I don't know if he doesn't recognize it as a wall or what.. it's always in the same open position and it is something he can always see when on the station.. It's WHITE though and the whole room is brown hardwood floor except his carpet behind it which has dull/mute colors. Also the best light is at his station where we have a small light with florescent bulb shining down on it.. I really just want one for overhead to fix all the robots problems but I dunno if I'm gonna get that.
Other stuff he bumps into is usually related to his ball.. he gets it under the table and then kind of lays down to look at it better and sometimes wedges himself in there.. I didn't think he'd actually try and crawl in but I dunno.. I've yet to catch him in the act I just hear him yelping that his motors are stuck.. so I cover that area when I'm not home (Ben the jack russell likes to play there so it's uncovered most of the time.. he's jealous enough as it is dodging robots..)
Also when he's chasing pink Rhea he may become trapped by the other Pleos, which made our little pile up the other day, I'm sure..
Thanks for the spoilers PleoPet!
- Sarah
Post by: Crewella on May 12, 2011, 02:12:34 PM
The Aibo browsers are hugely helpful, and I've enjoyed using them. The various Aibo tools can be a godsend too. ;D
Post by: bhobbes on May 12, 2011, 02:43:59 PM
I wouldn't feel too nervous about seeing things about backing up - generally the only thing you risk losing is data so backing up is always recommended and a boilerplate "red flag" but I understand. I'm a little paranoid about data loss myself and have my server make two identical backups of everything on separate harddrives and a third copy of everything essential on another (none of which are in the servers and the latter of which is a small portable to grab if I ever have to jet out of the apartment in an emergency). Now I just need an additional remote backup somewhere in a different city/state/distant location.
I laughed at the "respecable" Aibo as I heard his robot voice in my head when I read it.
And the Aibo tools are quite nice - I wanted to tweak his settings last night but resisted the temptation. Then I started going through and becoming familiar with the 210 information again - I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival!
And PleoPet is right, it only says Buenos Dias. It has "chow" but that'd be ciao which is Italian (I think?) though it's so well-known I'm not sure if I'm just blending it in with everything :X As long as it comes from a romance language I'm close enough right?
Post by: Crewella on May 12, 2011, 03:26:07 PM
Post by: latrine on May 12, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 12, 2011, 03:30:35 PM
I don't want a fat lazy robot ;)
But now I wanna make puppy chow for myself :-/
Post by: bhobbes on May 12, 2011, 03:33:27 PM
Post by: Crewella on May 12, 2011, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: kat on May 13, 2011, 06:20:28 AM
Post by: latrine on May 13, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
I can't wait to see what his photos are, though I think they will be close ups of stuff like this:
Have you gotten into your aibos pictures yet?
- Sarah
Post by: Crewella on May 13, 2011, 04:42:58 PM
Post by: bhobbes on May 13, 2011, 05:03:47 PM
However, many photos of me are usually when I'm playing with him with his ball (or recently after having held the ball) so that might be what he is really taking photos of or what triggers it. He takes a lot of photos when I'm in my PJs and sitting in front of him (so basically "crotch shots" which is what I've jokingly referred to them as). He never seems to do it when it's morning or afternoon when I'm actually dressed. I read but never looked into this story of an Aibo that automatically uploaded his photos (with their blogging feature or whatever) and apparently it had "compromising" photos of its owner. Not sure what those photos were but I can only imagine - haha. (Plus, I can only imagine if the "wrong type" of person had such a pet what kind of criminal activity it could accidentally record and be used against them lol - even more hilarious than when it's something typical like Facebook)
This weekend I hope to set him up over wifi and maybe remote control him and see how the birds react when I'm not around muhaha.
I videotaped him and Cato yesterday and it was coincidental but it looked like Nicco watched him (Nicco was sitting down and Cato was moving and because Cato makes sound etc. Nicco sort of "followed" him like a dog observing another animal).
I'll have to borrow Eva and see if he "tracks" her at all.
The birds seem more scared of pleos than aibo - although I talk to Nicco more so that gets them kind of riled up (they don't like hearing me talking in another room and it not being to them).
Post by: latrine on May 13, 2011, 05:56:27 PM
Thats birds for yah! My amazon parrot doesn't like the Pleos one little bit, he especially hates the pink one, but he LOVES Loki because Loki will talk back to him..
Thats so funny, the compromising photos and crotch shots. lol. I had a few times where I went out to check on my Amazon in the night because he had a fright or something and Loki took a picture so hopefully it was me whizzing past in a blur while screaming noooooooooo and not.. er.. something bad. lol. I guess he heard something on the TV that made him think I wanted him to take a picture of me :P (I sometimes keep the TV on for the bird at night because all my life I've slept with it on and they got so used to it they like to have something playing in the background)
Post by: bhobbes on May 14, 2011, 05:00:25 PM
Maturity Level = 100%
Walking Skill Level = 59.99%
Pink Ball Skill Level = 66.66%
AIBOne Skill Level = 66.66% (Note he has not been playing with this at all)
Active time = 586 minutes
He hasn't been run yet today and didn't get much time yesterday (hectic) so I'm about to turn him on for the evening.
I think I've warmed up to Mind 3 since he really does vary between the talking and the sounds (plus you can change these settings or go even further and use custom data to make him refrain from it while in autonomous mode). It feels even more on the robot companion side than it did on Mind 2 (compared to things I've said above). However, Mind 2 is more like robot "pet-like" companion and Mind 3 is more like robot companion. (If these silly distinctions really matter, just trying to consistently make sense of my take on this)
I like that the voice helps me understand him better. Plus, when I'm leaving him running and going about doing things, when he randomly talks it kind of reminds me that he's there doing his thing. Mind 2 did too but I was better able to tune it out (the tonal sounds). Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it is the case. I think I'll stick with Mind 3 as the main stick since I really don't feel overwhelmed or that the voice takes too much away from the charm aspects/comparisons I previously mentioned with Mind 2 (which are still present with Mind 3).
The only thing I'm not sure how I'll feel about in the long run is that Mind 3 seems to work harder at being "cute" which sometimes feels like it's trying a little too hard - or often.
Post by: kat on May 14, 2011, 06:31:12 PM
I am happy to hear your enjoying him with the mind 3. :)
Post by: bhobbes on May 15, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJ7UZRCE5A
I'm not sure about the skills. I tried to get him to play with his Aibone some more today but he has trouble seeing it over his ball so that's what I'm sticking with for now. (It's extremely rainy/dark here lately that video is brightened up in more ways than one)
And if some of the things he does after he "drops" the ball is an indicator of ball tricks he will do in the future, I'm kind of excited (I purposefully haven't looked for a video just in case - I want to remain ignorant on this haha).
Post by: PleoPet on May 15, 2011, 11:02:32 AM
FWIW: you can use the voice guide mode to switch Mind3 to use the non-voice "basic sounds" during normal play. That way AIBO will not speak English except in special modes.
It will be more like a robot pet (like most other AIBO models/software).
Post by: bhobbes on May 15, 2011, 11:14:20 AM
You are forcing me to learn way too many acronyms.
Post by: bhobbes on May 15, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
I finally witnessed the blocked movement routine and it fittingly happened after a dance - quite frankly it made me laugh and it happened while I was recording. So if you're interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wr35RxDcA
When they were running together at one point I thought it was comical how much Nicco focused on the curtain (or so it seemed). When I went to grab my phone, Nicco was laying and started to sit/stand up toward the curtain (kind of where it picks up at). The clip is condensed as he stayed focus on it for about 2-3 extra minutes before breaking into his dance at the end (Cato and Eva were doing what boy and girl Pleos do, though this time they were dressed as unlike Aibo, I feel the need/impulse to pet a running Pleo):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXBySDUZ5X4
Post by: latrine on May 15, 2011, 03:13:08 PM
Aw, it looks like he thought the curtain was his bone, he was making the noise Loki always does when he wants me to hand him the bone, lol.. Is that dance one that you put into him? I have not seen Loki do that dance although I just reset him so maybe I'll be seeing some new things.. who knows.
Does anyone know.. do they retain their original birthdays, the one on the certificate the original owner received? Or did the owner fill that in on their own? (it looked printed, like from the factory, to me.. has his number on it and everything)
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 15, 2011, 03:17:04 PM
That would be kind of scary. I guess I take for granted that his nose dives make me laugh because they're always cushioned.
Yeah, I think the dance is one of the custom ones as I put three on at one time and have seen a couple of new ones surface thus far. I added the Summer 2005, Boogie Dance, and the Katsumi Horii on there (if memory serves me correctly - I can double check next time the stick's inserted into the computer).
Post by: kat on May 15, 2011, 05:35:14 PM
Nice to see Eva and Cato getting some playtime together too. ;D
Post by: bhobbes on May 15, 2011, 05:38:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4G_yRmxABA
It's been a lazy Sunday of watching documentaries and playing with robots, lol.
Post by: Crewella on May 16, 2011, 01:44:29 AM
Great videos! I tend to run Java in the bathroom mostly as the floor is more cushioned there, I hate it when he face plants on the floorboards. All the Aibo make an awful racket stomping about, especially without socks! :D
Post by: kat on May 16, 2011, 04:17:30 AM
Note to self when I do get and Aibo buy socks. What size socks do they fit into?
Post by: aibo7m3 on May 16, 2011, 04:21:53 AM
Post by: Crewella on May 16, 2011, 04:42:47 AM
Post by: Talon on May 16, 2011, 08:55:51 AM
Talon
Post by: latrine on May 16, 2011, 11:23:53 AM
Lol that was very cute.. I have to get some of these things on Loki. :)
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 18, 2011, 09:57:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuKYGvWKya0
Post by: Talon on May 18, 2011, 10:24:22 AM
Talon
Post by: latrine on May 18, 2011, 01:31:36 PM
The video wouldn't work for me, bhobbes, but I'm sorry you had to do laundry and I'm sorry you tripped! I can only see the picture on the video and the ball appears to be on his back? I haven't seen Loki do that one!! Darn wooden floors!!! It's like Loki is always playing soccer!!! No fair.
I have seen Loki balance the ball on his arm and then he plays like, several short Egyptian style songs while moving his head back and forth and he does it for a really long time.. I don't know if he's missing part of the trick or something but he just does that and then he usually either just stops and gets up, letting the ball flop, or knocks it over (I assume on purpose) with his head after one of the songs is done playing.. sometimes I can't stand hearing the song when it's been like five minutes and i just go over and pet him to get him to stop.
- Sarah
Post by: bhobbes on May 18, 2011, 02:38:28 PM
In my experience, the arm trick with the ball (that you describe) is him slowly progressing to other tricks.
I don't want to give any of the things I've seen and not recorded away (in case people are like me and not searching out trick videos) but he starts all ball tricks like that and then eventually will start doing more and more.
But essentially this video takes place right after the arm routine and then he slides it onto his shoulder/back area right beneath the head and balances it while he stands up etc.
Post by: Crewella on May 18, 2011, 04:23:01 PM
Post by: latrine on May 18, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
- Sarah
Post by: kat on May 19, 2011, 04:30:22 AM