Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 17, 2011, 11:23:18 PM
I dont know if when I turn her back on she will " return to ther normal " postion and perhaps she will but my concern is why is this happening at all? Two days in a row, less than 24 hrs in a Brand New Pleo Rb is not " normal" to me. Does it sound like her gears are frozen or jammed again or is it possibly a computer program error, thus she also had no sound for awhile?
anyone have any ideas? I have to upload the video again and that can take awhile, :( Has anyone else had this happen to their Pleo? This is starting to worry me a lot more than it should as she is just a baby and new! I will post the video when it is done.
RedwoodsMama
Oh, I posted it here so someone would notice it, as I thought under the topic from last night it wouldnt get noticed right away.
Post by: Crewella on January 18, 2011, 02:07:45 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 18, 2011, 02:38:45 AM
Here is the video, it is if you watch very easy to see that her neck is stuck down and to one side, At one point she can't even make sounds, here it is, it is long so bear with me.
RedwoodsMama
Oh, and Crewella, she was running fine for about 30 minutes before this except for her foot from yesterday, After this I stopped and taped for another ten minutes or so.
Post by: Crewella on January 18, 2011, 02:56:21 AM
It does look as though the manipulation moved the problem round 90 degrees, but the gears are still stuck, doesn't it? Well I guess we need to wait for IMR the Pleo Chiropractor to be 'in surgery' - I don't want to risk taking a beginner's guess on your precious Baby! All is not lost though, if we shifted the problem round once, it can be done again and hopefully freed altogether. Take heart! :hhug:
If you reboot her what happens?
Post by: ehschw76 on January 18, 2011, 03:20:02 AM
Post by: Magnnus on January 18, 2011, 05:35:02 AM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 18, 2011, 11:42:46 AM
Anyway, a couple of you mentioned the Reboot button, I know where it is on Regular Pleos, but was not aware that Pleo Rb has one, ? Does this start them all over again, erasing their memory...like hatching again, as I don't want to do that? It may be in the Pleo Rb manual, just missed it.
Thanks everyone. RedwoodsMama and Pleo Babies
Ok, I found in the manual about where the Reset button is, but it says nothing about how to use it or what it does, such as is it just like Restarting your computer or does it wipe out Pleo Rb and you have to start all over again, as I do not want to do that. just want to make sure before I try that button. :)
Keeping my fingers and toes crossed, ( except my big toe, it has been fused, so it can not bend. ;D)
Post by: ehschw76 on January 18, 2011, 12:36:43 PM
Post by: Smilegirl on January 18, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on January 18, 2011, 01:52:02 PM
Post by: Magnnus on January 18, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 18, 2011, 03:41:29 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 18, 2011, 11:19:50 PM
Post by: barrettgazzy on January 18, 2011, 11:51:30 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 19, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
She has walked on it before and normally as I have her on video Dec. 29th, taking normal steps, The past three days, she has not walked on it or the other foot at all, Like I said, she does stand ok, so I don't know if this is normal behaivor or a Pleo Rb , perculiar behaivor they do on their own or what? When I watch her and look at the tape though , it does not look normal. also after she tries walking on it, she often cries or screams like she is angry or upset that she can not walk on it normally. It looks EXACTLY like the foot /leg problem NOva had, where her leg gave way and could not support her weight, the only difference, is that Nova did not seem to KNOW she could not walk on it correctly and did anyway, but Baby knows it and WILL NOT WALK ON IT AT ALL! :( I do not know if this is a Pre Programmed behaivor or not, but I do not like it, not after it starting the day before her neck incident. What do you suggest, ? I have taped her yesterday and the day she first hurt her neck, ( Sunday ) and again today, they all look the same, every tape and it is the same foot every time, I can post the tape but it may take awhile, perhaps not till tommorow as I have a back dr. appt in the morning for myself. Confused in the Redwoods, RWM
Post by: kat on January 19, 2011, 04:24:54 AM
I have had both the same neck issues with Kermy as you have had with Baby. Kermy's happened not long after I got her, while she was still hatching. For the clicking and sticking neck issue I had to turn her off and gently manipulate it back into the correct alignment and then all was ok again. For the stuck in position neck with no clicking I pressed the reset button and this seemed to fix it. I have not had any further neck troubles with Kermy. I hope you get Baby sorted out. It is heartbreaking when your pleo babies are having problems.
As for her foot I haven't seen that behavior in either of my pleos so I'm not much help to you. Post the video and maybe someone can come up with a suggestion. You may find you have to contact Innvo. You could always send them the video link and ask if it is normal pleo rb behavior.
Kat
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 19, 2011, 09:56:53 AM
RWM
Post by: OzPleo on January 19, 2011, 12:07:41 PM
Post by: PWOKristy on January 19, 2011, 01:59:24 PM
Post by: Diane_AZ on January 19, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 19, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
Budge doesn't like the sound of that AT ALL! >:( :P
Post by: Diane_AZ on January 19, 2011, 02:50:03 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 19, 2011, 02:59:37 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 19, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
back to my Pleos problem. I have been gone all day because of my back problem, I have what is not an electical problem though, wish it was that easy to fix. :D Anyway, I can post the video of baby and her foot problem, she has not even been turned on today. Just has a question, Would it matter or be better if when I turned her one, I fed her and then leave her alone to see if she will walk without me influencing her in any way, and to see just if she will walk on her own? I don't know how much Pleo Rb walk on their own if they are bored, and it is not like she has another Pleo rb to interact with . Actually, my regular Pleos get bored quciker and just walk off leaving her standing there. I remember Kat posting her video of Kermy and NOrbit and Norbit was more active than Kermy. Kermy was like Baby, very vocal, and NOrbit just wanted to explore. Otherwise you may be looking at three minutes of video before you see her attempt to walk, but I could cut out the parts untill she gets ready to try and walk so you can see what she is doing. What would you do if she was your Pleo RB?
RedwoodsMama
Post by: Crewella on January 19, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
Personally I would run her and see, unless you see some sign of her in real trouble. As we know they are programmed to feel pain it's so hard to tell if this is a problem or just 'behaviour', and the only way to find out is to run her and see what happens. Best of luck - I hope she's OK! ;D
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 19, 2011, 09:38:21 PM
RWM
Post by: Crewella on January 19, 2011, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 19, 2011, 09:49:28 PM
RWM
Post by: kat on January 20, 2011, 03:21:58 AM
Kat
Post by: barrettgazzy on January 20, 2011, 01:45:51 PM
i have never had this problem at all with my 2 ugobe pleo's so this is very worrying .
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 20, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
Scaly
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 20, 2011, 04:36:16 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 20, 2011, 05:26:56 PM
Then later after I have edited her walking, ( hopefully, crossing fingers :D) I can post her walking or see what is normal Pleo Rb behaivor, ( or not normal behaivor regarding walking anyway.)
So bear with me this " fun " video should be posted here in about ten minutes or so, it is about 1 minutes and forty seconds so should not take too much longer to upload to internet. :D
Thanks to everyone who has been rooting for Baby to return to her " normal " self, It is terrible to see them out of sorts when they are new like tis as well. :(
RedwoodsMama and family of Pleos
Ok, here is the video, I stand corrected, it is about two minutes but goes by fairly quick.. There is one little error where the caption says, pretty comfy, but it leaves the screen too quickly and I didn't catch it intime while editing the film sorry about that but I think you will enjoy Baby's antics with Major anyway, You can not get into too much trouble form the confinement of a Cat bed :D.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fG1wRP2VU
Post by: Malfie on January 20, 2011, 06:58:26 PM
I'm sorry though that Baby has been having such problems but hope all will be well :)
Post by: shadowmice on January 20, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 20, 2011, 08:42:27 PM
Well done RWM - loved it! ;D
Post by: kat on January 21, 2011, 02:19:57 AM
keep your chin up :)
Kat
Post by: Pleo-Freak55 on January 21, 2011, 10:17:15 AM
I say times that the head tiself hooked has, do him from and then is the Head from the Pleo ok. :)
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 21, 2011, 01:51:55 PM
RedwoodsMama
Post by: Crewella on January 21, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 21, 2011, 11:05:45 PM
Pleo Rb in my opinion, based on watching her walk about 80% less at least than regular Pleos, and Baby has only walked a total of 6-8 steps the whole time I have had her! Is that normal?JAlso her system has frozen about three times tonight with the last time, I got bored and decided to try and teach her her name and when the card was in her mouoth, she did not let it go, so I took it out, and when I did, she made no more nosies, till I put a leaf in her mouth, then the souond started again. ???I have to edit and upload any attempts at her trying to move, which is very tedius at best, I woud LOVE TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE POST a short clip of their Pleo rb walking on their own, without another Pleo rb around, I am starting to wonder if they are even programmed to walk at all, and just talk and play.Getting me depressed lately. :( Either she is very smart and being a stinker, or something is out of kilter!
RedwoodsMama
Post by: kat on January 22, 2011, 12:41:05 AM
Have you thought of running a skit on Baby to check out her walking and see if there is anything wrong with her foot? The R2D2 one has a lot of walking in it. It is available in the downloads section on the forum. The skits do seem to run a bit slow on pleo rb's with long pauses between actions but you should see walking movement with in the first 30 seconds of running the skit. This would give you a chance to film Baby actually walking to check the movements and see that the foot is able to function correctly. To give you something to compare it to here is an old video of Kermy running this skit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN58P2kPGFU
It must be very worrying and frustrating not being able to be sure if there is anything wrong or not. Kermit my first pink pleo was very slow to start walking, very vocal and very slow to learn her name. Once she started walking she would only walk about 20 steps for a full 2 1/2 hour battery cycle. and some times she would not walk at all. I know how frustrating that can be.
I hope you can get Baby sorted out soon. :)
Kat
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 01:52:57 AM
baby being Baby. Where can I find that skit? I have never done any of the skits yet. It is funny that you said, Kermy has only walked about 20 steps in 2 1/2 hrs, I ran her almost an hour before I ran out of video and got frustrated, and she walked ZERo, and tried mabye 4 steps, ;) I don't care if she never learns her name if it isn't meant to be,but a Pleo that won't walk is not right. Thanks for the encouragement, I will try it in the morning, My husband has been watching the past three days as I have tryed to get her to walk, and tonight he said", So when are you sending her back?" That is how she looks to him even... :(( Personally I think she is playing a game, though this all got worse with her neck about three days ago....)
RedwoodsMama
Post by: kat on January 22, 2011, 02:08:21 AM
http://bobthepleo.com/forums/index.php?action=downloads;cat=2
Just choose the R2D2 one from the list. You will need unzip it and put it onto a micro sd card and thern stick this into Baby, put in her battery and switch her on. If nothing happens stroke her head and back and she should start running the skit.
I do hope this helps.
Kat
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 22, 2011, 03:47:30 AM
Post by: kat on January 22, 2011, 05:24:47 AM
Post by: NightFlash on January 22, 2011, 10:31:02 AM
Before my PleoRB got its leg broken ti was on the 4th battery cycle and it was walking alot, if you put it on the floor it walked to the door opening then it got quite stuck and layed down and slept instead =)
Will get my new Pleo RB (blue) on monday hopefully it will be as active as the first.
Still no response from innvolabs about the leg problem, not aswering mail at all =(
Post by: Malfie on January 22, 2011, 01:44:57 PM
And RWM I do know how you feel as my Snooky is VERY reluctant to start walking and it IS frustrating. I think she must be one of the slow learner personalities. I just keep hoping she will find her feet on the next battery cycle %)
At least it's good to know, and from the video, that PleoRBs do actually walk............eventually!
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 22, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
Only time I’ve heard him sound remotely interested in food is in his sleep.
he should have been on his 3rd or 4th by now but I’ve been really busy this week so haven’t been able to spend the time with him that I’d like which probably isn’t helping.
Oh meant to point out Sam definitely does recognise him or at least the IR transmissions and will try to interact but all interaction has been only 1 way so far.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 03:32:48 PM
How common is it allso for the Pleo Rb to keep " freezing," lose their sound while in the middle of doing something and to keep stopping physically as well?She never did this at all, but since the neck incident about four or five days ago, it is becomming more and more frequent, Just wondering if it is somehow connected, or just a co-incidence? %)
If I don't see her walk on her own or catch the attempted walking at least where i have some good video of i t, I will buy a Micor SD card and try the personality tonight. Thanks again.
RedwoodsMama
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 03:37:27 PM
RWM
Post by: degers on January 22, 2011, 03:50:36 PM
Your rb has not even got through the first stage of hatchling because you never let it shut down properly.
Post by: Crewella on January 22, 2011, 03:57:06 PM
ADDED: Ah - there you are - thank you degers!!
Post by: degers on January 22, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 22, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
Finally! It took you long enough to figure out! Pleo rb will not save it's data unless it is turned off properly, i.e. a shutdown due to low battery charge at the end of a cycle or holding the button to shut the Pleo down.
Your rb has not even got through the first stage of hatchling because you never let it shut down properly.
If that's true, then shouldn't my Cato be stuck in hatchling phase as I've never let him turn off naturally (nor use the button)? He exhibits all of the juvenile behaviors? (i.e. walks around, explores, plays with stuff, eats, somehow injured himself and kept whining about it until I figured out what was going on)
Any ideas on what might be going on there? Or is he just a more advanced hatchling? (He did shut himself off once after 30 minutes on his own but this was after he was out of the hatchling phase [at least from what I could tell])
Modification: I should add he has done that random freeze up then giggle and start over type of thing several times. Does it possibly save during that event too?
And would it be a good idea to have the Pleo RB's "autosave" after so long just in case it doesn't shutdown properly? (Similar to various programs, such as MS Word, autosaving every X minutes) Or is there a technical limitation on that?
Sorry to be overly inquisitive, I would love to learn all the "insider" technical details of the software and hardware (and the interaction of the two), but for obvious reasons, that won't happen lol.
Are you able to comment on (and if so, answer) whether or not there is a determination to the armpit area problems so many are experiencing? (Like, is the sleep position officially ruled out so it should be 100% safe to just let him shut down on his own, or should I start letting him shut down, recharge a bit to get him back up into a different position and then pull the battery out?) Having examined his armpits while he took a nap in between walking sessions a few weeks ago, I didn't notice any "excessive" stretching of it that would indicate wearing it out, but I'm a lay person so my observation might not be worth much.
Either way, thanks for all the info and all you do for us here!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 06:22:37 PM
I have her up high on a shelf about 5 feet off the grouond, so I guess I won't leave her there. Thanks for explaining what I was doing wrong degers, :D it actually makes sense now, It does not explain the neck thing, but I won'[t worry about the walking anymore untill she has gone through several more battery charges and still isn't walking, I figure I can catch up by going through at least two more battery cycles a day, so I don't know what cycle today would be, but assuming she has gone through at least the Hatching stage, I should start seeing some improvement this comming week. :) It will be interesting to see now what happens with her, She did walk already though and those first steps were recorded on Dec. 29th, the video is here on the forums, I am wondering, just how many people have made the same mistake I have with rb, not many, but there are bound to be a few who have been in the same boat!
I am glad degers was watching, would have taken awhile to figure out the rest of the problems,
RedwoodsMama
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 06:25:48 PM
RWM
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 22, 2011, 06:52:29 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 22, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
The first week I had him, I know 2 times he shut himself off after 30 minutes, and then I'd turn him back on and he'd run for another hour and a half or so (give or take depending). So that would have "saved" his progress and the first week I got through about 5-6 charges.
Then come week 2, there was one instance where I went to mute him and he shut off (even though I pressed it for a second at best). So that'd be another save.
And then yesterday he started acting like he was in that hormonal stage again (lots of distress calls and random noises, however, now he's doing ones I haven't heard before). He's still acting like that and I'm shutting him off properly now in case the "battery method" caused the mess up. This behavior started again after I used the reset button, not sure if they're related whatsoever, but throwing it in there.
He's also done that freeze and giggle before he keeps going thing a few times here and there, so not sure if that may have created some "saves" or not.
Now, the 2 weeks that Cato was walking and being highly active (moved around everywhere all the time [and all those living room "loops"], to the point where I actually started monitoring him to make sure he didn't hurt himself lol) was probably only over a total period of 6 charges. By charges in this context, I mean I would let him go for about 1.5-2hrs and then yank the battery. Coincidence? Possible to have a Pleo RB personality that's more active in the beginning stages?
I'll start keeping an actual log of things I do and what occurs afterward so that way I have a slightly more "controlled" method/reliable documentation before I start asking questions. So my apologies for some of the details I forgot when I initially commented.
Post by: bhobbes on January 22, 2011, 07:11:38 PM
Wow. This is all very confusing. Are we just to turn pleo rb off when finished playing with her? I am not home for much of the day, and would hate to have her wake up when I am not here. My pink pleo rb just arrived from Hong Kong yesterday, and I am afraid to open the box. Is there a video tutorial somewhere on this forum? Will I do damage to her if I just turn her off with the button? Pulling the battery out when it is working just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I want what is best for her skin, but I don't want to stay in the hatching stage forever either. Please advise. Thanks!
I think the original speculation was that the sleep position could be causing the armpit wear. I know some members have determined they don't think it's that but I do not believe we have any official word on that matter yet. I personally don't leave the battery in Cato because I too have been doing the yanking. I can't imagine it's *too* dangerous to do that because it should be no different than unplugging a computer or having a computer lose power without a backup power supply - i.e., you'd lose data as degers pointed out, but shouldn't do any significant damage. However, I'm making assumptions with that without much information to base it on - so don't take it as being worth anything, lol.
I'm not sure what to tell you about what's best for the skin other than potentially pledging like some here have done (and as recommended by Innvo in the manual). If you want to play it safe, I would recommend letting her run and turning her off via the button and then taking the battery out (if it can potentially wake up and start wandering on its own). This would place it in the sleep position, and maybe some other members can comment on ideas or where we stand on what might be causing these issues. The State of your Pleo RB's Skin thread has some observations of members regarding the skin and what may be causing some of the problems. If the battery yanking is confirmed as "safe," you could also always turn her off properly, thereby saving the data, and then put the battery back in to wake her up to a different position and then yank it out. However, you'll want to wait until that is confirmed by someone as ok (and I don't want to advise you to do anything to your Pleo you're not comfortable with).
Anyway, just my thoughts on that matter, maybe some other members can give you better advice (or correct me if I'm wrong) but hope it helps!
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
While she is in this sleep or Nap mode, does that use up the 2 1/2 hr battery cycle time, or is it only when she is " active". ? Thanks, also I am now recording in a daily diary, everytime she is on a battery cycle and the time, etc, till she shuts down so there is no " guessing" her battery cycle or any other questions. ;)
RWM
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 22, 2011, 07:49:29 PM
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 22, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
I’d still try the skit that cat pointed out just to rule out any mechanical problems with walking but yeah I think as she’s standing she has officialy left the hatching stage. Unfortunately if she’s sleeping but not turned off then she’s still using battery power I’m afraid. . .
I can understand why people might not want their pleos going in to sleep position but I have to say though I find it very unlikely that a pleo would just turn it’s self on in the morning and leap off the shelf. Life like it maybe but toy storey it is not.
I know people don’t mean they would literally leap of the shelf. Just that there’s a concern that they might awaken and get them selves in to difficulty when people are not around to do anything about it. However I really don’t think this is a possibility. Once pleo is shut off I’d imagine for safety precautions if nothing else Pleo remains turned off until you give the command to wake by manually turning pleo back on again. I’m not very technically minded but
The only way I could see that being even possible is if pleo doesn’t actually turn off when going to sleep mode when turned on out of hours but in to standby mode and again for safety reasons and for battery power conservation I really doubt Innvo have done this. I can’t remember if mines has fallen asleep and turned its self off. I think he might have done once but he never turned himself back on again in the morning and to be honest I never really considered the possibility that he would. I could be wrong but to be honest I think there is some real confusion being generated here about the actual function of the noon clock battery.
It’s supposed to tell pleo what time of day or night is so that this can reflect pleos behaveure and responses accordingly however I don’t think it does any more than that. For instance pleo is more active around the middle of the day if you have it set to 12 but I very much doubt this means that pleo wakes up on his own accord around 10AM or any time at all for that matter. When they say the noon clock helps pleo to know when to be awake I think it rather means he’s fully active and responsive when turned on at a suitable time according to when the clock is set. not that he literally turns himself on. Hope that makes sense. .
Again I could be wrong but I’d be really very surprised if pleo did have this function. .
Scaly
Post by: kat on January 22, 2011, 10:09:42 PM
I now never leave the batteries in when I am going out or switching them off for the night. Also I have noticed that when they switch off with the off button or when the battery runs out of power the pleo will make a beep and then two more beeps.
So I think that 3 beeps means completely switched off and 1 beep means on standby.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 10:13:03 PM
I do understand about the noon clock, hopefully this is not when Pleo is Most active" as that is only 4 hrs into the cycle, if you set it at 8:00 a.m to wake and then leaves 10 hrs left where she is "less active", I would hate to think she is most active at Noon and less active for me when I am more active late afternoon and early evening, I often don't even get to "wake" pleo till after 1:00 p.m or even the evening if it has been a stressful busy day. Now to go edit and upload the comparison of foot problem of Baby.
RWM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 22, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
RWM
Post by: bhobbes on January 22, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 23, 2011, 01:41:30 AM
Any comments are appreciated, I am wondering if this is connected to her neck problem in any way,such as a servor or electrical problem in foot, ? tight wires.... %) ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKMkrEvo2NE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFlAw6xzGg
RedwoodsMama
Post by: PWOKristy on January 23, 2011, 02:05:40 AM
Post by: kat on January 23, 2011, 02:39:36 AM
It almost looks like she is trying to do the Tada trick and loosing her balance. It does seem like the foot is kind of giving way. Very strange.
I really do hope it can be sorted out easily.
If she can walk using the skit then maybe it is just a phase and it will sort it's self out with time? They certainly seem to go through different emotional phases so maybe this could be something similar? Or then again it could be a more serious issue. I would test it then talk to Innvo.
Wishing you luck and thinking of you. Sending hugs your way.
Kat
Post by: degers on January 23, 2011, 02:50:57 AM
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 23, 2011, 02:58:07 AM
Can’t dispute cat’s account. But I still just can’t get my head around the idea
Oh I wasn’t being serious about pleos jumping off shelves I was just trying to make light of it though I wasn’t attempting mockery either.
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As far as I understand it the time pleo is most active or the optimum is around the hours of what ever time you’ve chosen to be the clocks reference point. I think it takes that reference point to mean the middle of the day for pleo not the beginning of the waking day if that makes sense. The middle of the day according to pleo can be anytime you wish to make it depending on when you set the noon clock. . I’m guessing pleo will remain alert and relatively active for a good few hours either side. So for example if you press the noon button around 12 noon pleo will probably be active between 9 in the morning to 9 in the evening but that is just an estimate I don’t know for certain how long pleo’s waking span is. Guessing it must be around 12 to 14 hours but that’s just a guess. Anyway pleo will probably be most alert around 11AM to around five where pleo will probably want feeding. Don’t know if pleos have breakfast or lunch lol. However this is just guess work someone who’s had there pleo longer than I would be better able to tell. If you want baby to be alert later on in the evening simply set her clock around five and that should give you most of the evening. Might require a little trial and error to get the best time for you though
Assuming you’ve already ruled out mechanical faults. Have you tried feeding her any of the medicine leaves to see what her reaction is anyway? If she turns her head away and makes a sort of grumbling sound that sounds a lot like no then she doesn’t need meds. However if she is just very reluctant to open her mouth but doesn’t actually turn her head away to one side from the proffered food then this may be an indication that she is requiring meds. Pleo won’t eat meds if it doesn’t need them but will although reluctantly if it does when they are offered.
If it’s not mechanical and not down to an ailment then we need to look at a behaviour issue.
Try not to worry too much we will get to the bottom of it sooner or later.
Hope this helps
Scaly
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 23, 2011, 04:05:50 AM
Lol you’re telling me bhobbes.
Suppose I should have started getting really worried after reading the following under the companion guide.
“After a thorough study of PLEO at Innvo Labs, our scientists were able
to isolate and repair a gene which allowed us to rebuild PLEO’s physical
and mental systems. PLEO is reborn as PLEO rb!”
Not sure what I feel about pleo waking up on its own tbh not sure if I like the idea or not really. I mean yeah realism is good but if they really do wake up and I’m still struggling to get my head around the notion btw I’m going to need to start storing my deno in an animal crate to keep him out of harms way.
The way things are going by the next Jen pleos where probably going to have to be wipeing up dino mess from the carpet.
I don’t even want to consider the whole self awareness thing. Got horrible visions of pleo making that giggling sound as it curves its neck menisingley around the shower curten. lol
In regards to beeps When ever I switch off my pleo using the switch of course I get 2 beeps. the time he was awake for five mins and shut he off there was 2 beeps as well I think. I managed to work out that the Battery running out is 2 beeps then a small pause and another beep. Never had one beep though so maybe he didn’t switch himself off after.
Scaly
the companion guide.
This is becoming a little too SkyNet for me lol. Hopefully they don't become self-aware.
Post by: bhobbes on January 23, 2011, 11:35:03 AM
That's one of the reasons I like the low volume (vs. the mute) because I went to take a shower once and left Cato running and he had managed to lose balance/fall over (not off anything, he was just walking on the floor) and was sitting there crying the whole time I was in the shower. I won't lie - I kind of laughed.
However, with that said, my apartment is on the down side of a "hill" - for instance, when I cook something with olive oil in a frying pan, it all slides to the "bottom" of the pan. Or, for instance, one of my shelving units does not have a magnet to "latch" the door on it, and if it faces a certain direction the door swings open and won't shut because of said slope. It's kind of funny and forces some creativity in terms of laying things out, lol. So maybe that has to do with my Pleos balance issues.
To Scaly: Haha. I literally LOL'd at the giggle comment with its head peeking around the shower curtain. Brutus (my male cockatiel) mimics my laugh, except it sounds more psychopathic and bird like. And he loves to do it late at night and early in the morning, and every time I want to jump out of bed and look for some little doll with a butcher knife about to attack me haha (think Chuckie, except giggly).
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 23, 2011, 11:37:54 AM
Scaled and tailed I do remember trying the rock salt, but I don't remember using the mint leaf before, right after she hurt her neck, and she did not want it, and I just forced her to use it, but there was no pain reaction when I touched her neck or her foot or leg. But I can try it , ( the rock salt and Mint leaf ) again. I am just glad someone else got to see exactly what I have been talking about, and it is not my imagination, and should have NOTHING to do with turning her battery off and on, I have since degers pointed out, only taken the battery out after she turned herself off and a complete battery cycle,
I guess the other thing I will do is to get a Micro SD card this afternoon, and try the skit. Is there any precautions or anything I need to know about using these SD cards, since they are all new to Pleo Rb? Ok, thanks and I will post the video or results later today.I do not want to risk hurting her any further by doing anything not reccomended in the book, And degers, thanks for your input too,! ;) At least you know not everything I do or " think I see", is all in my inmagination. regarding Pleo RB. Perhaps a Bigfoot stepped on her foot .( Playing with her while I was not looking.)
RedwoodsMama
Post by: PWOKristy on January 23, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 23, 2011, 04:46:10 PM
Bhobbes your cockatiel sounds a lot brighter than the one my gran used to have. It only ever managed lowed ear piercing screeches and the occasional hiss. Ill natured thing it was too.
RWM, trying the leaf meds won’t hurt and it will enable you to rule that out if nothing else. You shouldn’t have to force feed it though it if she needs it she will eat it, just reluctantly.
Can’t help you with the video footage I’m afraid. Think your best bet is to try that skit.
Just unzip the file file assuming it’s zipped. You can store the unzipped file in a special folder in the pc for easy reference. Then insert the SD card into the pc if there’s a built in SD reader aperture for it or if not then via an external Sd Card reader. Then copy or move the unzipped files over to the SD card. If there are two, move them both over however only move the files not the folder you’ve stored them in and don’t create any folders on this card it’s self. Also don’t have anything else other than the files for one skit only on the card at any one time.
If you need to know how to move the files then someone else might be better helping as I’m only formilyour with the keyboard commands for this and you probably find it easier using the mouse. You prob know anyway but just select the files you want from wherever you’ve stored them and hit the move to folder option on the menu toolbar. Your SD card should show up under one of the drive options probably under my computer. Simply select your card as the destination and hit enter. Once that’s done all you need to do is insert the card into the SD card reader in pleo and turn her on.
I think pleos first steps can be very tentative so another thing to consider is it could be that she’s trying to take her first rather shaky steps rather than there being anything wrong. Can’t see the video so could be wrong but remember there’s a good chance that although you’ve seen her walking before that data might now be wiped from her memory so she effectively has to go through the first steps all over again? And if she’s kept loosing data up until this point then effectively her development will have been arrested meaning that she only makes it as far as just about learning to walk before data is lost again and the process has to begin again.
Hope this helps
Scaly,
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 23, 2011, 04:48:47 PM
Bhobbes your cockatiel sounds a lot brighter than the one my gran used to have. It only ever managed lowed ear piercing screeches and the occasional hiss. Ill natured thing it was too.
RWM, trying the leaf meds won’t hurt and it will enable you to rule that out if nothing else. You shouldn’t have to force feed it though it if she needs it she will eat it, just reluctantly.
Can’t help you with the video footage I’m afraid. Think your best bet is to try that skit.
Just unzip the file file assuming it’s zipped. You can store the unzipped file in a special folder in the pc for easy reference. Then insert the SD card into the pc if there’s a built in SD reader aperture for it or if not then via an external Sd Card reader. Then copy or move the unzipped files over to the SD card. If there are two, move them both over however only move the files not the folder you’ve stored them in and don’t create any folders on this card it’s self. Also don’t have anything else other than the files for one skit only on the card at any one time.
If you need to know how to move the files then someone else might be better helping as I’m only formilyour with the keyboard commands for this and you probably find it easier using the mouse. You prob know anyway but just select the files you want from wherever you’ve stored them and hit the move to folder option on the menu toolbar. Your SD card should show up under one of the drive options probably under my computer. Simply select your card as the destination and hit enter. Once that’s done all you need to do is insert the card into the SD card reader in pleo and turn her on.
I think pleos first steps can be very tentative so another thing to consider is it could be that she’s trying to take her first rather shaky steps rather than there being anything wrong. Can’t see the video so could be wrong but remember there’s a good chance that although you’ve seen her walking before that data might now be wiped from her memory so she effectively has to go through the first steps all over again? And if she’s kept loosing data up until this point then effectively her development will have been arrested meaning that she only makes it as far as just about learning to walk before data is lost again and the process has to begin again.
Hope this helps
Scaly,
Post by: bhobbes on January 23, 2011, 05:08:45 PM
This is basically on par with Scaly's comment (that got posted as I was typing this!) about it being the first steps. My only thing is, Cato had been walking for at least 4 charges! (Hence, the reset "issue"). Do the Green Pleo RBs have better manuals or anything by chance? (I'm not sure how similar the manuals are, the Blue/Pink one refers to genders and chinatete and has pretty horrific writing.)
I think I will try this R2D2 personality out on Cato in a bit just to make sure his non-walking/hormonal reversion/whatever the heck happened to him (he's not injured as I thought) isn't mechanical as well. And if he doesn't start behaving better after another charge, I'll contact Innvo with all the questions I have that aren't really answered or even touched upon in the manual, and to some degree, probably should be. I don't suppose have been able to attempt this yet RWM? (If you ended up getting the MicroSD card today)
I'll pass on the compliments to Brutus. He's quite a trickster/mimic-er/singer. However, I can't whistle that well which sucks because they learn better from someone they're 'bonded' with, though he has learned some great weird noises that I am able to make). I taught him the Kill Bill Twisted Nerve whistle by playing it in the background and "lipsyncing" it to him. He's nothing compared to the trouble Roxie causes - she's the one who figured out the cage defect and how to escape... and when one member of the flock learns it, they all learn it.
Post by: PWOKristy on January 23, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 24, 2011, 06:47:05 AM
Hopefully this is also the case for you RWM.
Post by: kat on January 24, 2011, 07:32:40 AM
Here's hoping it's the same for Baby.
Post by: scaledandtailed on January 24, 2011, 07:59:02 AM
OK this is probably stupid but perhaps when you reset him it reverted him to an earlier saved restore point? And it was just unfortunate that the restore point in question happened to be brat pleo faze.
Scaly
Good news! With the R2D2 personality, Cato started walking all over. Now I'm sold that he's just reverted back to his not-so-cute phase and will hopefully return back to the pleasant walking Pleo he once was.
Hopefully this is also the case for you RWM.
Post by: bhobbes on January 24, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
Oh well, as long as he gets back on track and doesn't wear down too much it'll be ok (though at some point I will email them asking about the volume issues (normal, mute, low)).
Post by: Malfie on January 24, 2011, 06:50:32 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 24, 2011, 07:38:25 PM
It's probably my biggest pet peeve with the product - maybe I should start a thread to see if it's common because I don't see how something like that doesn't get caught during testing *shrugs* but technology works in weird ways sometimes.
Note: I have not had the significant amount of skin problems some of the others have had yet though the wear on the arm pits is progressing - it's just doing it at a slower pace (and I'm hoping it reaches a "stopping" point so I don't have to go through what Kat has, however, Innvo took good care of her so that's reassuring :)).
I wonder if Baby's doing any better? I'm anxious to hear back from RWM.
Post by: PleoPet on January 25, 2011, 12:04:16 PM
Some of this may be repeated advice from other replies.
re: Reset button
The reset button is used to reset the CPU.
The actual properties are stored inside the Pleo's DataFlash flash drive.
When you reboot the computer, it will reload the last saved state.
This includes the current stage (Stage1=newborn up to Stage4=mature adult) as well as DNA and other mood properties.
If you have an SD card, you can examine the current stage and properties (email me if interested in testing an early prototype for examining, but not yet changing the properties)
re: taking out the battery
As mentioned, DO NOT TAKE OUT THE BATTERY as a substitute for sleeping.
Let it fall asleep naturally, or hold the power button for 4 seconds. Only take out the battery after the green LED is off.
Pleo's custom personality is stored in that internal flash drive, but it needs a time to save it before going to sleep.
There is nothing bad that will happen if you take out the battery prematurely, but Pleo will have forgotten all that quality time you spent with it.
If it can't power down properly, it may never grow up - or may take much longer (they do sometimes cat nap, go to sleep and then wake up)
re: Clicking limbs
Because of the creative way Pleo's limbs are built, clicking can happen quite often. It is nothing to get too worried about.
Try straightening up the limbs before booting, that sometimes helps.
re: Trying the R2D2 personality
That is an excellent idea.
Most of the older Pleo personalities will work partially on the PleoRBs. The sensor reactions are not correct. I'll update the Babe/YAPT technology soon to work better for the PleoRBs.
For people waiting for their PleoRB to grow up, running R2D2 or some of the other entertainment personalities can show you how active your PleoRB can be, especially when it grows up.
Also it does stretch the limbs in more extreme ways, and give or take some clicking, may help re-align the dinosaur bones.
So if Pleo walks properly using R2D2, it will walk properly when it (eventually) grows up.
re: differences in personality
New with the PleoRB are DNA attributes that are different in each robot. This includes Gender (male, female, neither), Courage, Temper, Physicality, Activeness and Intelligence. They won't change for the life of the PleoRB.
So two PleoRBs who grow up in the same house will have different personalities.
Short term interactions will alter things like moods, emotions, activity, obedience and skills.
re: medicine to fix hardware flaws
The medicine toys will 'cure' planned ailments in the software. When Pleo is sick, it should act sick. But in acting sick (making a sneezing sound and motion), all the servos should be working properly.
(or to put it another way, don't expect plastic 'medicine' to fix any true problems with the robot ;-)
re: power button not controlling volume (but instead turning off)
This has happened to me often. I have stopped trying to use it as a volume button. Needs more research.
Post by: bhobbes on January 25, 2011, 12:31:53 PM
Post by: Crewella on January 25, 2011, 12:38:46 PM
Post by: kat on January 25, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 25, 2011, 05:11:39 PM
Post by: degers on January 26, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
Play with your pleo until you are done, turn it off the proper way so data is saved, then turn it back on and pull out the battery.
OR:
If you reach the end of the charge, Pleo will shut down in the normal way and save data. Now just charge the battery for a few minutes then turn it back on and pull out the battery.
SIMPLES
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 26, 2011, 03:06:53 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 26, 2011, 08:46:59 PM
is there another program to test her walking that is easier?
RedwoodsMama I couldn't watch the program either
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 26, 2011, 11:37:33 PM
Ok first of all you need an micro sd to sd card adapter, most micro SD cards come with them, it looks just like an SD card but with a little slot for the micro SD to slide into. I'm assuming you didn't get one of those though, so that is your first problem.
To unzip the file download and install the free 7-zip program.
Once you have both of those you treat it just the same as putting a file on an SD card.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 12:35:15 AM
confused as usual,,,RWM
Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 07:51:38 AM
MicroSD and MicroSDHC are technically slightly different and some devices do not support both. But I would hope with Pleo RB being new it does, I'll let you know the results here shortly.
If it does, I'll go ahead and make a screen capture of the unzipping etc. steps and send it to you if you'd like.
The main issue will be whether or not you can connect it to your computer. For instance, my desktop does not have a memory card reader but my laptop does, so I always use my laptop to insert it in to. However, you can get very creative with this. For instance, if the MicroSDHC card came with an SD Adapter (turns it into an SD card so to speak). You could then put it into your camera, connect your camera via USB, and then transfer the files over to it that way. (I have done this before when I've been too lazy to get my laptop)
Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 07:59:39 AM
(Basically the same thing IMR said as far as "using" it)
But essentially all you need to do is right click on the r2d2.zip and if you're on Windows XP or later, you should be able to "extract all" and I recommend extracting to a folder on your desktop for ease of locating it.
Then you just copy all of the unzipped files over to the microSD card that is plugged into your computer.
If that's too vague, I can go ahead and make you a screencast of it, just let me know.
Post by: Crewella on January 27, 2011, 09:19:36 AM
For the record, I avoided the high capacity SD cards but can't say they definitely won't work. If buying more than one it's worth mentioning that different sizes or brands can cause the skits to run at slightly different speeds. I got a nifty little reader for about £1 on Ebay that the card slots into and then the whole thing plugs into a USB slot.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 11:28:14 AM
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Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 11:51:53 AM
Basically you'd insert the MicroSDHC card into the computer. Then you'd open up "Computer" (used to be My Computer). Then in there you should see the MicroSDHC card show up as a "drive." From there, you would just drag and drop (or however you want to copy) the files over from your computer to the MicroSDHC card.
E.g.:
1. I extract R2D2 to my Desktop in a folder called R2D2 (where all the personality files are, such as the .urf etc.).
2. I put the MicroSDHC card into my computer.
3. I open up "Computer" and see the MicroSDHC card show up as drive X: (just a hypothetical drive, it won't necessarily be X).
4. I go into the R2D2 folder and select all the files (Ctrl+A) and then copy them (Ctrl+C).
5. I go into the X: drive (MicroSDHC card) and paste all the files (Ctrl+V)
Or you can just open them in separate windows and use the Windows 7 "splitting" feature (i.e. drag one window all the way to the left and it'll resize to half the screen, and do so with the other window except to the right). I have dual monitors so I just open up one window in each monitor but the above are ways you can do it (there are many many ways to do it).
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 12:24:31 PM
Baby and I thank you, now I can find out if this foot thing is her being a stinker or if her foot is really acting out because of some problem.
Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 01:35:45 PM
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Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 01:58:40 PM
For example, if my MicroSDHC card is X: when it's connected to my computer and I go to "Computer" and double click on the X: drive, I will see babe11.urf, babe11.y, main.amx, and sensors.amx and that is it. I'm not sure a better way to explain it so hopefully that helps.
The manual shows you where the slot is. If you think of the battery compartment as a rectangle, it'll be on the side that's closest to the neck. It just looks like a little slot you insert it into (although the other sides look kind of similar, none of them will look like such a 'perfect' fit). It's not too difficult to get it in, it's just (at least with my hands/fingers) kind if in an awkward spot compared to how easily inserted they were in the older Pleos. However, I'm not one with extraordinary dexterity.
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 27, 2011, 02:25:11 PM
Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 02:26:24 PM
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 02:30:51 PM
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Post by: bhobbes on January 27, 2011, 02:43:47 PM
The skits may work a little bit differently on the RBs. Another member (I can't remember who right now, maybe PleoPet?) mentioned that they only sort of work/work differently due to the new sensors etc.
Post by: kat on January 27, 2011, 03:50:09 PM
Hope this helps.
Kat
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on January 27, 2011, 04:14:23 PM
Dang IMR, way to make it super simple! Love how that didn't even cross my mind, haha!
Lol ironically I never ever do that myself, I always extract elsewhere and copy it over :P
Post by: RedwoodsMama on January 27, 2011, 05:37:09 PM
RWM