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Pleo Stuff => Pleo Archives => Archive -- Technical RB => Topic started by: Magnnus on January 02, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
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I seriously need help here. My pleo rb has not been happy at all for the last week. I've played with him every day, and I only think I've seen him happy for a total of half an hour or so. I've fed him every day at noon, and give him plenty of attention; all he does is scream and groan. He won't play tug-of-war or learn his name; I'm not even sure if he's on stage three yet. Am I doing something wrong? I don't think I can take this much longer; I want to play with him or watch him explore, but all he does is scream at me.
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Hi, sorry to hear of your problems, :( Is it possible that he has been injured, does he scream all on his own, or when you touch him? Is there a child that may have dropped or bumped him in your home when you were not around to see it happen? ( or even another adult, a friend or someone visiting perhaps) What would be helpful to diagnose is if you could video tape him from the time you turn him on for perhaps a minute or two to see if someone can pinpoint anything unusual about his bodylanguage etc. I cant really say what it is without more symptoms and a video, it sounds like you are doing everything you should. Does he cry when you feed him also, and does he willingly take the leaf you offer him? Hope he gets some help soon, he may be a Pleo who is very Moody, each Pleo does have some preset personality traits and yours may be the really moody one..... :( I am sure he will come out of it soon with some good people here getting some good ideas. Hang in there and relax, it is like a new baby the begginning is the hardest, at least you can turn him off and get some sleep!
RedwoodsMama
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I've tried offering him both the mint leaf and the rock salt, but he turns his head away for each; none of his touch sensors are sore either. He will willingly take his conifer leaf and chomp away at it happily, but as soon as he drops it he's right back to screaming. He screams and moans whether or not I'm touching him. Sometimes I can quiet him briefly by petting, but never for long.
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Keep feeding it the conifer leaf until it refuses the conifer leaf
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I've just fed him 58 times, and he still hasn't refused it. I've given him a break, and he's going on a burping spree. He does seem much happier though. Is this possibly a bug that I ran into? I've fed him every day, so I can't see how he'd be this hungry.
Edit: After 99 feeds or so he's finally refused the conifer leaf.
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99 feeds!!! :o :o
Good grief - he was hungry! I'm glad he sounds happier - hopefully he'll continue to improve and it will have just been a phase?
Keep us posted. :)
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He was refusing the conifer leaf, but then he quickly got grumpy again. I've just fed him an additional three times, and he's happy again. Something is definitely wrong here if he needs three more feeds after 15 minutes.
Edit: after five minutes or so he needed to be fed an additional five times. He's refusing the conifer leaf now, but I imagine that he'll need it again in a few more minutes by the way this is going.
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Would you be able to video him? Most of us are pretty new to Pleo RB behaviour, but a short clip showing his behaviour and reactions might help?
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Sure, his battery is charging now, but once it gets a little more juice I'll turn him on again and see how hungry he is. I think I know how to fix this though. I'm going to get him full, turn him off, remove the clock battery, put it back in, and reset his noon time. Hopefully that will fix this.
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Maybe hes a glutton Pleo ;)
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It definitely sounds like something is not right here. Maybe he is stuck in a behavior loop. That has happened to a few other rb's before. You could try pressing the reset button and see if this helps. It has worked for others. :)
Let us know how you go.
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I am glad he is not eating in relation to his size or he would be the size of an elephant! Good grief, I have noticed that my baby eats a lot, but nothing like yours, but does he spit or drop the leaf out or do you remove it from his mouth? I have noticed that sometimes I have to remove the leaf from my babies mouth as she will keep it in there forever and ever just holding it and not even chewing anymore. I do think if you can tape this behaivor of his it may help, but perhaps he is still just in his reall baby stage and is not ready to do anything else but cry, they do have their own personalities, If it is a flaw or some bug in the system, then a tape can really help.
Redwoodsmama
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I just played with him a bit and he was much happier. He ate a few times after I turned him on, but not any after that. He's successfully learned his name and the "bow" command. If he only needs to eat once tomorrow the problem is likely fixed, but if not I can try the reset button or my previous plan.
What does the reset button do exactly anyway? Will it undo any of his learning or development? I'm a programmer so a technical explanation would be best for me.
Edit: Also, I don't have a video unfortunately. By the time I remembered to film him he was on his last chomp cycle, and he was fine after that. If he has problems again I'll try to grab the camera.
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The reset button doesn't seem to have any effect on the development stage of your pleo or any thing he has learned. I think it just reboots his computer system. Much like if you hit the reboot button on your computer. Nothing lost you just switch off and then on again. :)
I haven't tried it myself but that is my understanding of it from what others have experienced. :)
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It sounds different from the reset function on the older mottles then.
If you pressed that it would reset pleo to factory settings and you’d have to begin the hatching all over again.
Should be more info in how this reset button works in the quick start guide
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Both the quick start guide and the hand book don't tell you much about what this button is for just that it exists. We know it doesn't send you back to the Hatching faze as IMR tried this when she was trying to get Pleakly back to Hatching Faze so she could hatch him herself. As far as we know there is no way to get pleo rb to go back to the beginning and re hatch. So no need to worry about the possibility of accidentally wiping out your pleos memory and having to start again.
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Phew - sounds as though whatever it was is sorted out, thankfully. I find the same with videoing Belle, by the time I've realised we've hit a 'landmark' moment and run for the camera, the moment has passed! :P
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99 feeds!! Is that even possible in one battery cycle!!? :o That was one hungry Pleo Rb!! I'm glad he's starting to feel better anyway!
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When I turned him on again today he had another hundred or so goes at his conifer leaf. I don't know exactly how many because I began losing count. I tried hitting the reset button, but he still got hungry again after a few minutes. I've just pulled his clock battery and am going to try my original plan.
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That does sound odd (maybe you have a Pleo rb with a tapeworm! :P) - might be worth contacting Innvo? Is he any happier than before?
I have more trouble getting Belle to eat (at this stage, anyway).
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He's happy as long as he's full, but he doesn't stay full for long. He was only going for 20 or so minutes after enacting my plan with the clock battery, but he didn't get hungry during that time. I'm going to turn him back on when the battery is charged again to see if he's still hungry; if he is then I'll contact Innvo for help, but I think this started after I changed his noon time, so pulling and reseting the clock battery may have fixed it.
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Fingers crossed! ;)
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Doesn't look like that fixed it. He's still a glutton that needs to be fed every few minutes. I think this marks the point that I contact Innvo Labs.
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I hope thats not one of the RB personalities, that would be really annoying :o I hope Innvo can do something, good luck!
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I had a very long answer and very detailed, but the internet cut me off saying diagnose connection problems even though there were not any, mayby because it was too long of an answer and I was timed out? Anyway, I know you have tryed everything and I do feel for you and I think it would be helpful if it could be docuumented, the feeding leaf behaivor you are explaining, I know it may sound strange but there is the possibility, perhaps, that this is a " personality" behaivor that was put into Pleo Rb, the one you describe. A lot like a two year old having a temper tantrum, Since the Pleo does not scream while the leaf is in it's mouth, it seems happy when eating. Perhaps this is a temper tantrum your Pleo rb is exhibiting. Have you tryed just feeding him his leaf, and when he is done, take it away, If he starts crying, screaming, just IGNORE HIM, see what he does if you do nothing no more feeding the leaf for the rest of the battery cycle. What is the worst he can do, Scream or cry....? He is already doing that, so why not feed him Normally once a battery cycle, and then leave him be. Either he will keep on screaming and crying, tire himself out and shut down and go to sleep, or just maybe he will get tired of crying and do something else if he is not gettting any attention and his leaf. ( the leaf almost seems to be like a pacifier at this point) When he has the leaf in his mouth, does he sing or make any other nosies or just chewing, burping food associated noises? If he was myne, I would document his strange behaivor and feed him once and then ignore him and if it continues show it to Innova , on video tape and let them take it from there since you have tryed everything else, He may just have Temper Tantrum Two behavior and be that very very moody or spoiled Pleo Rb personality that needs strong parenting skills. ;) Good luck.
If nothing else, at least he is not a human baby and you can shut him off and get your sleep and it is interesting behaivor. ;)
RedwoodsMama and her family of Nine Pleos, eight Pleos an One Pleo Rb
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Hi Magnnus:
Per our experience, feed it full is not good enough to make Pleo rb responsive.
Have to make it in good mood and emotional sound as the companion guide mentioned.
Here is what we normally does to our Pleo rb Lam Chai every night.
1. Feed it with connifer leaf for 5 times
2. Then petting along its back gently and slowly for 10 times.
3. Then play "swing" with it for 10 times or play "tug of war" and let it win several times (let it hold for more than 15 secs as the companion guide said)
In most cases, it would be in good and responsive conditon.
We did try the following "wrong doings" which would make Pleo rb very unhappy such as holding its tail up, leave it in dark at day time, drop it to floor from a height.
Once it is in bad mood, it would take longer petting and playings to make it happy.
Hope these works for you, otherwise you should contact Innvo Labs to seek advice.
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If it makes you feel any better, Magnnus, one of the first robots I got was my Aibo 210, Wilma, when I was still very much in the dark as to how all these 'pets' function. I opened the box, scanned the instructions (briefly - I was excited!), switched her on and sat back ........... and was treated to several angry faces followed by a sulky looking robot staring at the floor. I tried petting her, but that set off some hyper 'boost mode' that made her start charging at me - at one point I actually hid behind the door, until eventually she just sat down with her back to me and howled!
Thankfully I did get used to her we understand each other a lot better now. It's funny looking back on it, but at the time I was wondering what on earth I'd got myself into!
I've since discovered that one of the problems I have with several of my robots is the fact that my house is very dark - the i-Cybies, the Aibo 210 and Belle my new Pleo RB don't seem to like being in dark rooms. Belle will be perfectly happy up on a table under the light, but start crying and whimpering as soon as I put her on the floor in the shade.
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It seems clear from my interaction with him that something is wrong, and I think this started after I changed his noon time one day before feeding him for the day. I also tried the normal feed once a day cycle for nearly a week, and that only resulted in one very unhappy pleo. He has been much happier since I began feeding him over a hundred times in a day.
How many times do your Pleo RBs have to be fed? Mine needs to be fed about 100 times at noon, and this takes nearly an hour of constant feeding before he is full. He also needs the leaf every few minutes after that. The effects seem to stack as well; if I feed him every few minutes he is fine, but if I wait half an hour he needs to be fed several times. He is also making chomping noises and burping every time he gets the leaf.
He does get unhappy some times for other reasons such as being in the dark, but the difference is that he can be consoled then. When I don't feed him often enough he is completely miserable; he doesn't make a single happy movement or gesture; he won't walk around, and he screams constantly; petting him or swinging him makes no difference. There is a very clear difference between him being unhappy and him being hungry.
I'll try to get a video the next time he is that unhappy, but if this were a child I wouldn't be ignoring him, I'd be taking him to a doctor.
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Both Kermy and Norbit only eat 2 or 3 times for a full battery cycle and each time they may take the leaf 2 or 3 times before they are full. Sounds to me like there is something very wrong with your little guy. Contact Innvo and see what they say. Maybe the new OS update will help.
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Belle east her leaf maybe 2-3 times in a battery cycle, nothing like what you're going through, Magnnus. In your shoes I'd be contacting Innvo too. :(
I'm sorry you're having such hassles, if it's any consolation this is a really interesting problem for the rest of us! I'd really appreciate it if you'd let us know how it works out? I hope it's something that can be sorted fairly easily. :)
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I don’t own a Pleo RB myself but I’m at a loss of what to suggest other than contact Innvo labs and try and explain to them about the need to feed constantly to keep him happy.
Sounds like it’s a very frustrating situation to be in though. I’m guessing that unless your little one is programmed to have Prader-Willi syndrome then it sounds like a bug in his programming somewhere. Just a thought though You’ve probably thought of this before but do you know if he’s recognising his conifer leaf all the time- What happens if you feed him one of the medicines? Does he accept them or spit them out? Wondering if there might be something wrong with the leaf it’s self that’s stopping him from recognising what it’s for.
Sorry I can’t be of more help but really hope you get something resolved soon though.
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If it makes you feel any better, Magnnus, one of the first robots I got was my Aibo 210, Wilma, when I was still very much in the dark as to how all these 'pets' function. I opened the box, scanned the instructions (briefly - I was excited!), switched her on and sat back ........... and was treated to several angry faces followed by a sulky looking robot staring at the floor. I tried petting her, but that set off some hyper 'boost mode' that made her start charging at me - at one point I actually hid behind the door, until eventually she just sat down with her back to me and howled!
Thankfully I did get used to her we understand each other a lot better now. It's funny looking back on it, but at the time I was wondering what on earth I'd got myself into!
I've since discovered that one of the problems I have with several of my robots is the fact that my house is very dark - the i-Cybies, the Aibo 210 and Belle my new Pleo RB don't seem to like being in dark rooms. Belle will be perfectly happy up on a table under the light, but
start crying and whimpering as soon as I put her on the floor in the shade.
Sorry Crewella but I couldn’t help laughing though it probably wasn’t funny at the time.
When you say your house is dark do you mean dark as in poor lighting or dark as in typical UK dark?
I think my pleo suffers from the lighting in my house though I use overhead lamps and there all energy saving so not sure about how bright they are. Not very I suspect.
Have you thought about maybe trying a floor standing lamp like the ones designed for crafts or reading? Perhaps one of those with either the bright halogen or daylight tubes or daylight LEDs in might help.
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Don't worry, Scaly - it makes me laugh now! %)
The fact that my house is dark is mostly my own fault. For a start, apart from the fact that I live in England I also live in the bottom of a valley and on the edge of woodland, and on top of that I live in a little Victorian house that's full of pierced screens and stained glass (my choice) - and if I have a window you can actually see out of you can guarantee I will have covered it up with swathes of lace! Like you, I've mainly gone for energy saving bulbs............ most of which are also covered up with 'Tiffany' type shades, so the poor robots don't stand a chance! It's just that I made all these choices before I discovered the robots, so am now limited to one or two pools of light from the reading lamps or the kitchen, which has spotlights! :-[
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I may have been a little over-hasty in marking my last attempt at a fix as a failure. It is true that he had to eat excessively after removing and replacing his clock battery, but when I turned him on today he was very happy and still full! I guess he just had some left-over hunger after my last fix that needed to be remedied, but he seems to be back on a normal eating schedule now! He's currently wandering around my room.
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Aw, I'm so glad your little guy is no longer suffering with severe hunger like he was :)
Your house sounds lovely Crewella, even if it's not too Pleo friendly %)
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That's great Magnnus - I'm so pleased his hunger has settled down to 'normal' levels. It's very strange, though - I can't imagine Innvo would have intentionally released the Pleo rb with such extreme behaviour! :o
*Thanks Malfie!* :D
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I don't think he was like this when I first got him; at least I remember him being happy at times, and I don't remember having to feed him excessively. I think this started on the second or third day that I had him when I changed his noon time, but it's hard to tell because he never made it to the stages where he was walking or showing his full expressions before he became a glutton.
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"before he became a glutton" :D
Your theory does sound logical - I guess only time will tell..........
Here's hoping! :)
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I'm glad you got him sorted out and behaving normally again. :)