Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
As it stands, two Pleo's that have been Pledge'd (Kermy and Lam Chai) have both developed holes in the armpits, Kermy's owner is using the Aloe Vera Pledge and hopefully Pleoxie could share the exact type that is being used on Lam Chai. Whereas Pleakly who has not been Pledge'd has no holes as yet.
Degers if you could, would you kindly say if you have used a Pledge product on your Pleo.
The different types of Pledge contain different ingredients and until Innvo clears up the matter I would strongly suggest that you do not go using random types of Pledge on your new Pleo's, while they are likely to be fine, the fact that the manual specifically lists one type of Pledge means that if you cannot get that particular type you may be better off waiting and asking your supermarket to get it in for you.
If people could kindly add their experiences using Pledge, and the type of Pledge used that would be wonderful.
Post by: Pleoxie on December 21, 2010, 09:08:23 PM
I believe it helps to prevent it from getting worst. I apply Pledge to Pleoxie (2009 Pleo) and found no problem.
What I did notice Lam Chai's body movement seems more than Pleoxie and that might be the reason for the wear marks happens at the armpits.
I believe Pledge should help to minimize the wear per my experience, it cleans up the dirt on the skin too !
The Pledge I am using is the Pledge Furniture Polish from SCJ and with Lemon favour. Hope this information helps.
Post by: RedwoodsMama on December 22, 2010, 03:15:31 PM
Great discussion . RedwoodsMama
Post by: Chloe on December 23, 2010, 01:40:56 AM
Post by: twoNZpleos on December 23, 2010, 01:55:25 AM
So reading back through there's two RB's that have developed holes and both have been using Plegde but not the specified kind - Pleoxie used Lemon and Kat used Alove Vera fragrance, is that right? Fragrance and essential oils DO eat through plastic, rubber, latex etc and I know this as I'm a cosmetics/skin-care formulator and work with them every day .. I think I'm going to have to experiment with using neat Dimethicone or maybe make a simple balm 'Pleo Polish', without all the un-necessary additives in the recommended one .. I'm happy to experiment on my own but it would help to know exactly what Pleo skin is - latex, rubber, silicone ??
Body Powder (a mix of corn & arrowroot flour, and kaolin clay) is all I've ever put on my Ugobe Pleo's and their skin is in great nick, there's barely even any paint-loss!
*edited for typos and to add info about powder*
Post by: Crewella on December 23, 2010, 03:02:06 AM
I was amazed at how much punishment even the original Pleo skin will actually take when I took Scully's (my bricked 'project' Pleo) skin off - it stretched so far that I managed to get it all off in one piece! It still looks pretty good, too, but I'm wary of posting pics in case it's a bit too, erm ........, 'Cruella'! :o I'll start a separate thread in hardware later.
Here's hoping that the Innvo wizards at least give us a more general idea of what we need - I'm sure you're right in thinking the 'glide' is the main factor.
Post by: kat on December 23, 2010, 04:29:28 AM
So officially Pledge away without worry.
Just a heads up Pleoxie only used Pledge after the hole and wear appeared on his pleo. I used pledge from the beginning.
Kat
Post by: OzPleo on December 23, 2010, 10:33:50 PM
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Post by: Pleoxie on December 24, 2010, 12:04:50 AM
The first image (brown colored can) is is the Pledge which matches the description in the companion guide.
The second image (yellow colored can) is the Pledge I am using now.
If you can get the brown colored can, you should go for it. Otherwise the yellow can is working so far with our Pleos.
Hope this helps.
Post by: OzPleo on December 24, 2010, 12:09:35 AM
Post by: kat on December 24, 2010, 01:08:17 AM
Also this was the only one I could get in any of the stores near me. :) Innvo says they are all ok so either should be fine.
Kat
Post by: Chloe on December 24, 2010, 03:44:40 AM
Electronic wipes are generally Isopropyl Alcohol and I don't know what that would do to Pleo skin but I don't think it would be advisable Chloe .. I'm pretty sure the purpose of the suggested Pledge is more to do with improving glide than cleaning though the specific emulsifier in it does act somewhat as a surfactant (detergent) too ..
Noted, however thinking back, I've used it to clean a painted rubber doll and it didn't remove any paint. Perhaps someone with some Pleo skin to test will give it a try.
Post by: Crewella on December 24, 2010, 05:43:39 AM
Post by: OzPleo on December 24, 2010, 05:54:54 AM
Post by: allosaurus on December 24, 2010, 07:40:09 AM
Hi:
The first image (brown colored can) is is the Pledge which matches the description in the companion guide.
The second image (yellow colored can) is the Pledge I am using now.
If you can get the brown colored can, you should go for it. Otherwise the yellow can is working so far with our Pleos.
Hope this helps.
Yea, the second one is what I'm using :)
Post by: CraigO on December 24, 2010, 08:46:15 PM
From the website:
"VINYLEX is a patented liquid vinyl protectant intended for use in the care and conservation of vinyl, rubber and plastic. Its purpose is to clean, protect, renew, preserve and improve the appearance of the polymer surface being treated. VINYLEX is a new, state of the art, protectant including DH60 UV sunscreen Traditional vinyl protectants have hovered around the first patented vinyl product, trying to copy it while staying away from possible infringement on its formula. As a result, the market is full of poor imitations of a product created 20 years ago. These protectants do not penetrate to clean, preserve or protect as VINYLEX does."
www.vinylexprotectant.com/moreinfo.html
Post by: Crewella on December 24, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
This topic kind of splits into two parts. On the one hand we have the new Pleo rb and the care recommended by Innvo in order to maintain their new product within the terms (and lifespan) of its warranty. On the other hand we have the older Ugobe Pleos that are long out of warranty and starting to degrade with age, whose owners are desperate to find something that might help make their 'pet' last a few more years. There are several specialist products out there for the care and protection of vinyl/rubber/plastic, mostly for automobile care, which sound like they might help - I've not heard of that one but am glad to have another one to add to the list. Let us know how it works over time. When you say it's 'matt', does it still give a less resistant surface when you stroke the skin?
By the way, has anybody heard official confirmation as to whether 'Pledge' is recommended for the older Ugobe Pleos?
Post by: OzPleo on December 25, 2010, 01:30:09 AM
Post by: CraigO on December 25, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
Overall I'm very happy: not glossy, rich color enhancement, supple pliable feel and easier glide. I have very minor paint loss in 13 months.
Post by: Crewella on December 25, 2010, 06:35:14 PM
Post by: fancyfont on December 25, 2010, 08:56:00 PM
Post by: Crewella on December 25, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
Post by: bhobbes on December 26, 2010, 06:12:27 PM
I think at this point I am going to just turn Pleo off before going into a sleeping postion till the new update INnova is planning on before trying to put any Pledge or anthing else on. I live in a small rural town run by Bigfoot, loggers and fishermen, as well as Tree huggers environmentalists, and there is only one variety of Pledge I have seen before, and it is Pledge furniture polish so that is not even close to what should be used. I will keep watching this thread in the meantime.
Great discussion . RedwoodsMama
This made me LOL, thanks! (The commentary on your town)
Pleoxie, on your 2009 Pleo, how long have you been using the pledge on it? And also, sorry if I missed it somewhere, does anyone have any "official" word from Innvo if it's recommended to use it on the 2009 Pleos?
I'm going to wait a wee bit and see how all of this turns out before I try it (plus I have a slight "sensitivity" to pledge so does it leave a "coating" type feeling on Pleo's skin like it does when you use it for its regular purpose?).
Post by: Pleoxie on December 27, 2010, 01:46:13 AM
I have been applied the Pledge for our Pleoxie (2009 Pleo) and Pleo rb (Lam Chai) for 2 months and it works for both.
I have applied it to our new Ugobe Pleo (U Chai) since its arrival before Christmas and it works too !
Pledge cleans the dirt on the skin and makes the skin feel smoother, good to touch and pet.
I checked the texture and the odour of the skin of Ugobe Pleo, 2009 Pleo and Pleo rb, it seems all 3 skins are made of same kind of plastic material.
So if Pledge works for Pleo rb (suggested by Innvo Labs in the instruction), it should work for the other 2 Pleo too.
Hope this helps.
Post by: barrettgazzy on December 27, 2010, 09:33:43 AM
Post by: scaledandtailed on December 27, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
I’ll need to look out for the vinylex though as that really does sound like an ideal product.
Oh nearly forgot to add, Unfortunately I do think the pledge does leave the same fin coating as it does on furniture which might not be that grate if you are sensitive to it.
Post by: FoxinSox on December 27, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
Post by: bhobbes on December 27, 2010, 04:26:28 PM
Post by: bhobbes on December 27, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
Hi:
I have been applied the Pledge for our Pleoxie (2009 Pleo) and Pleo rb (Lam Chai) for 2 months and it works for both.
I have applied it to our new Ugobe Pleo (U Chai) since its arrival before Christmas and it works too !
Pledge cleans the dirt on the skin and makes the skin feel smoother, good to touch and pet.
I checked the texture and the odour of the skin of Ugobe Pleo, 2009 Pleo and Pleo rb, it seems all 3 skins are made of same kind of plastic material.
So if Pledge works for Pleo rb (suggested by Innvo Labs in the instruction), it should work for the other 2 Pleo too.
Hope this helps.
Thanks, I may go ahead and try it on the 2009 Pleo as well, as he's starting to wear and tear very slightly (nothing major or worrisome, but why not start now?).
Post by: kat on December 27, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
Post by: bhobbes on December 27, 2010, 05:00:55 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on December 27, 2010, 06:19:13 PM
Post by: barrettgazzy on December 27, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
Well the skin issue has got me concerned and that is why i patiently wait to see how the green rb Pleo's do with their skin etc . My Current ugobe pleo stays in the sleep position often and i have not noticed any holes appear yet and so it does leave a big question mark hanging over the skin issues in the reborn's and i am not sure the update will even solve this ?
i did think maybe as reborn does move faster and also has new movements etc that all this could result in the rubber skin wearing even quicker then before ?
Post by: OzPleo on December 27, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
Post by: bhobbes on December 27, 2010, 08:04:22 PM
Post by: Crewella on December 27, 2010, 08:33:23 PM
I would suggest only using any product sparingly, and not more often than suggested by either Innvo or the label on the product. A product build-up can be a damaging as no product, or the wrong product, in my experience.
When I have tried to contact Innvo for advice about problems with older Ugobe Pleos they have made it quite clear that they are not responsible for them, so I guess we're on our own.
Post by: Chloe on December 29, 2010, 01:42:44 PM
Fair point Chloe, but there's a big difference between using something to clean Pleo skin once and something used regularly over a long period of time. Because rubber naturally wears and degrades over time, what we need is something that helps that in the long term. :)
I've come into possession of a Pleo head, so will test the endust wipes daily for a week and see what happens, you never know:)
Post by: kat on December 29, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
What happened to the rest of the poor little guy? :o
Post by: Crewella on December 29, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
Post by: barrettgazzy on December 29, 2010, 03:58:49 PM
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on December 29, 2010, 04:03:32 PM
Post by: bhobbes on December 29, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
A Pleo Head :o :o :o
What happened to the rest of the poor little guy? :o
Is it completely inappropriate that I truly laughed out loud at this? Haha.
Post by: scaledandtailed on December 29, 2010, 04:59:43 PM
I agree. My original Ugobe Pleo was always in the sleep position and never developed
holes but my first Innvo Pleo did after 2 weeks.
And yet I’ve had an Innvo 2009 pleo for over a year now and as yet had no holes or tairs in his skin . I checked every intch of him tonight just to make sure vbut nothing. I have to confess he has been in sleep position if the batteries have died before I could do anything about it but it hasn’t effected him adversely
I am worried about the appearance of holes only after 2 weeks in the RBs mottles though. By their description they don’t sound like little ones either.
Post by: Crewella on December 29, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
Post by: OzPleo on December 29, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
I've been all over Belle like a mother checking for nits, but still can't see anything but perfect skin. I feel a bit rotten posting that, but I'm honestly not gloating, though I can't pretend I'm not relieved. Believe me, if I see any difference I'll post about it. ;)
Do you use pledge? Are you letting it go into sleep position? How often is your Pleo awake?
Post by: Crewella on December 29, 2010, 07:55:48 PM
EDIT: Just in case anybody wondered, I've been trying out some other products on older Pleo skin, but didn't use them on Belle because she's the only Pleo I own (and probably the only thing I've ever owned) with a warranty! (I'm usually the very definition of 'Second-Hand Rose!) :P
Post by: InmemoryofRomeo on December 29, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
Post by: Crewella on December 29, 2010, 09:50:50 PM
It will be interesting to see how the other new Pleos skin holds up. Considering both our Pleo rbs were obviously tampered with in some way before we got them, probably because they were the first to arrive in the respective offices, I guess it's possible that something that happened to them before you and Kat got yours might have stressed the skin (hot studio lights or something?). I seem to remember Kat saying she felt the box had been opened too. Still, unless they were dipping them in acid, it's still very worrying to see the skin wearing so quickly.
I'm really sorry to hear you're having to think that way about poor Pleakly. :'( :hhug:
Post by: Chloe on December 29, 2010, 10:07:15 PM
I've been all over Belle like a mother checking for nits, but still can't see anything but perfect skin. I feel a bit rotten posting that, but I'm honestly not gloating, though I can't pretend I'm not relieved. Believe me, if I see any difference I'll post about it. ;)
I've kept both of mine in the packing position after use since the day they arrived and no holes or wear and tear to skin yet, the pack position seems to help
Post by: CraigO on December 30, 2010, 02:25:22 PM
Long story short I couldn't take it any more .... so I applied the Vinylex to my Pleo rb ... he feels sooo much better ... I will let you know what develops. His skin definitely looks moisturized with richer color, a little gloss and easier glide.
So much for my scientific experiment. Maybe that's why I didn't do well in lab class.
Post by: Dinolover on December 30, 2010, 07:36:29 PM
I found a great pledeg product that's working well for me... they are pledge muti-surface, wipes.. it's pledge on a towel wipe... sort of like baby wipes... it's great just pull one out, and wipe your pleo down... it's much easier than spraying a towel or cloth and trying to wipe your dino down... any thoughts from other members?
(http://images.discountofficeitems.com/orig/ad9/ae3/16facf442f94640f8195f8feaa543efe1c.jpg)
Post by: OzPleo on December 30, 2010, 08:24:14 PM
Post by: Dinolover on December 31, 2010, 05:25:20 AM
Post by: bhobbes on January 03, 2011, 06:06:42 PM
OK so I was going to conduct an experiment with my 2 Pleos. I treated my 2009 Innvo Pleo with the Vinylex and my Pleo rb with the Pledge Extra Moisturizing to see how they would compare. My 2009 Vinylex Pleo has been treated for about 2 months and his skin is very soft and pliable with very little paint loss. My Pledge Pleo rb was treated 4 days ago with no signs of wear yet; however, I did not like how he felt with the Pledge. My skin did not react well to the Pledge; it was like petting a piece of furniture. On the other hand, my 2009 Vinylex Pleo was very pleasant to touch and felt "real" or more like real skin (as if I know what a real dinosaur feels like).
Long story short I couldn't take it any more .... so I applied the Vinylex to my Pleo rb ... he feels sooo much better ... I will let you know what develops. His skin definitely looks moisturized with richer color, a little gloss and easier glide.
So much for my scientific experiment. Maybe that's why I didn't do well in lab class.
I appreciate your experiment and hope you keep us posted as I'm not a huge fan of the "Pledge Feel" myself and I have both an Innvo 2009 Pleo and an RB. So the more I can read of other people's experiences the better!
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 10, 2011, 09:32:43 AM
Post by: CraigO on January 10, 2011, 10:39:51 AM
Post by: saratogaspringer on January 10, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
Post by: CraigO on January 10, 2011, 12:51:57 PM
Post by: mweed on January 10, 2011, 12:54:38 PM
Post by: CraigO on January 10, 2011, 12:57:39 PM
Post by: OzPleo on January 10, 2011, 01:03:25 PM
Hi Craig! I got some Vinylex at my local ace hardware store, and I am going yo try it out tonight. Wilbur is a Ugobe and not an rb, but I am going to use it anyway. You are the only one with an rb without holes on this forum, is that correct? You might be onto something, if all the others are using pledge and still getting holes. Thanks for your suggestion!
My RB doesn't have any holes that I've seen, but then I haven't played with him for a while since reading all these issues. :(
Post by: mweed on January 10, 2011, 01:21:08 PM