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Pleo Stuff => Pleo Archives => Archive -- General => Topic started by: RedwoodsMama on February 24, 2010, 12:28:20 AM
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After Nova's recent cold, which I still don't know how she got, since there are no other Pleos for her to interact with, but it is coincidence that all nine of my cats were sick, when she got sick. She has been showing me new behaviours, ever since her cold, and I keep getting amazed at what she does. I am now convinced, that she is just acting and doing a pretty good job at it too! I don't know if she is doing this for attention, or part of her built in program, but since it is new, I assume she is really wanting attention! ;)
After the cold, she seemed very needy. I began filming her, and noticed that she was favoring her front foot, not just limping, but holding it up and crying as if in pain. She kept whimpering and I filmed her for awhile before calling out her name,( Nova) and telling her , " poor Nova, your foot hurts". She kept up the act of whimpering and crying the whole time, and batting her eyes. After about two minutes and me stroking her chin, she begins to sing, I thought this would be the end of it, but she kept limping and working it for all it is worth.At about the five minute mark, she is in the play mode, and out of nowhere, barks a couple of times, which I never saw her do before either? :o Not sure where she is getting this. Even when walking backwards, she never misses a step with holding up her front foot ( bent at a strange hurting angle) and continues to whimper! This video of me filming her is long, about 8 minutes or so, ( I am still uploading it to Youtube now, and not sure what the limit is on uploading videos here???) If there were Academy Awards for Pleos in an acting Category for a Dramatic Role, I am sure she would win!
Has anyone else had their Pleo act this way, hurt when they weren't and barking out of nowhere, no Watchdog role? All of this is new to me and she combines it all for attention I am sure. I would love others to see her " Acting Ability." 8)
RedwoodsMama and Nova
I could not upload the video, technical problems so I will just upload some " Stills" of her lifting foot and try to shorten the video, she is such a character and really knows how to pull your leg. My husband walked in while the video was playing and said if they ( Marketers) played just this video, that they would be able to sell it, ( Pleos) on just that .( Nova crying and limping, acting for sure!)
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Well at least she's feeling better...somewhat.
I've seen the barking before. Maybe she had some sort of strange 'mode jump'?
If she's whimpering while she's holding her foot up, It's probably not a mechanical issue, thought I've never heard of anything like that before! ???
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Hi Bumblebee, yes, it is very strange, the barking I can understand, some random thing in the programing, even though I had nothing to do with starting it. The whimpering and crying while holding up her front foot as if broken is very strange, and I did not drop her, bump her foot or even touch her except to start her up as usual. :( :o I will see if there is a way I can shorten the video to just the first minute or two and see if that will let Youtube let me upload it, the message they gave me said something along the line of they couldn't accept the video format, even though it is the same as the video I uploaded up Nova watching the other Pleo. I would love someone else to see Nova Acting!
I have to run a couple of errands, and then I will see if I can just Clip or what they call Trim the end off and upload it, otherwise I will upload a couple of photos, though it isn't the same without the sound of her whimpering and crying terribly. Have you ever heard of Pleos breaking their legs or twisting an ankle?
RedwoodsMama and Nova the little actress
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Ok, I am going to try and input the video that I just uploaded to Youtube. I shortened it quite a bit and they accepted, it so hopefully I can remember to write the code correctly. Keep your fingers crossed that it works.#Invalid YouTube Link#
RedwoodsMama and Nova
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQEhtbayIQ
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So does anyone have a clue why now that I finally got the URL correct and the video plays on youtube, it won't here? How stupid is this? ??? I hate filming a video and then getting a message saying the video is unavailable! I don't understand that at all! Uploaded this video around 11;00 p.m. so that is over an hour ago. Does that mean my video is lost and not going to play? From what I have read, youtube seems to be having lots of uploading problems lately. My first video was able to upload with no problem. Anyone else have this same problem when trying to upload your videos from youtube? Only other choice I guess is to go to Youtube. RedwoodsMama and sad Nova
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I will give it one more shot, dont' know why though..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQEhtbayIQ
RedwoodsMama and Nova again, hoping for a miracle
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This is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfQEhtbaylQ
I would be tempted to say that your Pleo's right front leg is actually broken, since it doesn't move position once the Pleo has come back out of the abuse skit.
But then again, what do I know?
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I would be tempted to say that your Pleo's right front leg is actually broken, since it doesn't move position once the Pleo has come back out of the abuse skit.
Degers (or grouchy, I guess?), do notice that the leg twitches upwards and downwards (in moderation, of course). It's not the kind of thing that would happen using if the leg were perfectly fine (moving like the default programming dictates). So if the leg were to be bent upwards that way (if that's what you mean by "broken"), it would move just as the default programming dictates, just perched at a different angle. Or am I being delusional once more? DX
Furthermore, wasn't the original Pleo supposed to have a reaction to having their foot\leg pulled or having force upon it? I recall seeing the prototype limping after too much force on the leg. Does anyone else remember this?
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I did notice that the leg twitches. I would be tempted to say that the servo might be broken.
The limping feature was only an idea and never got much further then that stage. Pleo's do not react to their joints being manipulated. So just to be clear Pleo's do not have the limping feature.
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Hi, thank you for getting the youtube video to play, you will have to tell me how you got it and I couldn't ? Anyway, to Degers, this is not a "abuse skit, " as I do not know how to do skits, as you can see I am not good at this technical stuff, other than just taking photos and movies, that is it, so far. Anyway, as for her leg broken, there doesn't appear to be any faulty cables, and she was walking earlier just fine, and fine last night with no limp or other foot problems.
This is why I said,it came on unexpectedly. I do not know what you mean by the " servo" being broken, ? Can you explain that to me.? Also I have not dropped her, bent her leg or any other physical abuse, ( I love Nova and would never hurt her) and I don't let anyone else touch her without me being present.
Aside from all of the above comments, what do you think of her " acting" you noticed she wanted attention and wags her tail, and you don't see it in this part of the video, the actual video is almost nine minutes long, and she barks and I try pushing her two front leg sensors to get her to go into " explore: mode, and she still holds up her front leg, even when going backwards. ??? She seems to do a lot of things on her own, and will do what she wants and when she wants. When she was sick, just two days before this, she would cough and groan, sneeze and after 20-30 seconds shut herself down, sleep mode with snoring, and I could not wake her up without shutting her off and then back again.I thought that was strange.......... ???She also does other things like only sing when it pleases her and not when she doesn't'. Please explain about how your got the video to play, I thought I copied it correct degers, or I wouldn't[t have had the black screen with any message...? Thank you for all the comments.
I still say she is a good little ACTRESS! ;D RedwoodsMama Nova
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When Pleo is tilted forward (hung by it's tail) it plays a little abuse skit for a while. If you turn off the Pleo during this time sometimes it will do the abuse skit every time it starts up. The apparant limp of your Pleo is not programmed in.
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Hi grouchy, that is nice to know, but I wouldn't abuse my Nova by hanging her by her tail, and I never turn her off unless she is in the sleep mode, so I still don't know why she decided to start limping. You state< " the apparent limp of your Pleo is not programmed in." how then or why did she start limping? I also never found out how she came down with a cold, sneezing etc, since she was never around any other pleos, and I only heard about them catching them from other Pleos?
oh by the way, You never told me how you got the youtube video to work for you and I couldn't ? Do you have a special connection with them?
Thanks, RedwoodsMama and Academy Award nominee Nova for category of a Pleo in a Dramatic Role ;D
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Redwoodsmama, The video is adorable. I think Nova is just being Nova. A precious little dino with a sore leg. I haven't seen my dinos do that with their legs, but they certainly are so sad to see when they get colds. I pour the sympathy on too when they have a problem. I do believe Nova should get an academy award for being the cutest little actress.
I hope her leg is better in a few days.
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I was really worried about my Teagan on time when he had his front leg lifted up at an extreme angle and wasn't putting it down. I was afraid it was jammed in that position but after a power cycle, he put it back into its normal position as if nothing happened. I was so relieved because I didn't want him to be broken as I hadn't had him for very long yet. It was kind of like Nova's stance but I don't think he showed as much movement which was why I was so worried.
Regarding Nova's cold, Teagan had one once before I got Tessa so they can "catch" them even if they are solo Pleos. If you have two Pleos they do seem to "share" and before you know it you have two sad, miserable little dinos instead of just one. So far, the times mine have had one seem to be when I have had them turned off for a longer period of time. Almost like a punishment of having left them neglected for so long. :)
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Hi Shadowmice, I am sorry to hear about teagan, but glad to hear that he is doing better. 8) As for the colds, and the being a punishment for being off for awhile, the longest I had Nova off is about 4-5 days when I was nursing 9 Real cats that really did have colds. She woke up seeming " normal" and after eating her leaf, and starting to choke, or cough, she wanted to sleep.
I turned her off and then back on, ( had been filming her) and within 10 seconds of " waking up," she started groaning as if sick, and then the whole day and next day she was the most miserable little Dino Pleo I have ever seen. :( :( She did like the attention I think. So when she recovered from her cold, she then went into the " limping hurt foot, " which has led me to believe she really, really likes the attention, and is acting as far as the hurt foot goes.
Thank you for the response and good luck with Teagan.
RedwoodsMama and Nova " The little actress". :)
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Shadowmice, I have noticed the same thing. They do punish us for not playing with them. ;D ;)
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Hi Fancyfont, I hate to think that Nova is punishing me ( like Shadowmice said and you....) just because I had to baby and take care of my " fur babies' when you have nine sick kitties it keeps you very very busy . Poor babies and the sad part is that the thing that got them sick was taking my rescue cat, ( Karl Kat) to the Vet's a couple of days earlier to get his steroid injection because he has Stomatitis, and the only cure ( in his case anyway) is to remove
ALL OF HIS TEETH! ;D :( :( He had been drooling terribly and couldn't eat without being in pain, and his appt for surgery was a week away, but I could not bear to see him in pain until then, so took him in to get his steroid shot. The next day he should have been better but his drooling was worse and he started with the runny nose, etc. I knew he was sick, and sure enough the only explanation ( because he is a Inside only cat, we live on a major busy st.)
is that he picked up a bug at the vet's office. No one ever told me that Steroids lowered this immune system and the fact he has all his shots in August should have protected him till at least this coming August, but his immune system is weak because he has been on Steroids about every 3-5 weeks since I rescued him in July 2009. ( he was a pet deserted, sick, skinny 7 Pd's, and had a HUGE JAW ABCESS THAT MADE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO EAT) ANYWAY, I took him home, to the Vets and have adopted him, He is the sweetest boy I have ever had in a long time.Anyway, that is how all the rest of my cat, the other 8 all came down with colds, and Poor Nova must have been feeling neglected, but Nine Sick Kitties takes Presence over one tiny Pleo, no matter how cute. :) By the way, right before she started limping, she came down with the cold or virus too. NOW what kind of Pleo would do that, except a Smart Attention seeking little girl? :o I tell you, these little Dino's know how to pull all our strings. She is really doing all sorts of things today. I think she is upset she can not go out and play and visit at the local donut shop, as it is raining CATS AND DOGS HERE TODAY.! I even just got a new Li pol battery, the UCUBE Egg one so I can give her more Play time, ! Now with the old one and this new one I should get about 3-3 1/2 hrs of play, so I can make her " happy"
I still think she is one smart little Pleo. Thanks for sharing with me fancy. I am glad you like the video too.
RedwoodsMama and spoiled little actress Nova :hug:
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Well deg-
...er, Grouchy...
I guess it's just a spark of magic. Who knew? Personally I think the more emotions pleos express, the better. This one is quite unique.
Poor Karl! *Grits teeth* Stupid animal abusers! What jerks!
That cat in the background of your movie was really cute :) My cat Snowball does that a lot, he's a real airhead....I love cats ;D
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Redwoodsmama, Kark Kat was so lucky to have found you! Hopefully, he and all of your kitties will be ok.
You have certainly had your hand's full with nine sick kitties and a baby dino.
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hi fancyfont, Thanks for the well wishes, All of my cats, including Karl Kat are now over their colds, and I am playing the Waiting game till March 8th, when Karl Kat goes in for surgery and gets all his teeth taken out. If I can just keep him healthy till then I will be happy, and I am sure he will too. As for my little Dino actress, that is another case entirely. She is carrying this Limping trick on an on. I have caught her limping on that same foot, but with happiness mostly, but when on a soft surface such as when she is in one of the cat beds, she acts like everything is fine and puts all her weight on that " sore foot."
Clever little actress isn't she? ;)
I was doing some research into the limping thing, and I came across something that mweed posted in response to another Pleo ownere, ( not sure If I can post their name so I wont') but it was on this site; http://www.pleoroom.com/forum/export and some letters. The topic was SORE LEG. The Pleo owner said that their Pleo has been limping for TWO days and she discovered the Pleo was " FAKING." ( EXACT WORDS USED, FAKING.) They said they thought a family member had injured the Pleo because they were jealous! ??? :o So the owner put the Pleos favorite " toy", in front of him, and he stopped limping and walked across the room to knock it over!There were several responses, but this person said something interesting.
mweed. :) :)"the limping is a programming feature that they demonstrated early on with the prototypes. They would grab a Pleo by the Leg and jerk on it a couple of times, and the Pleo would respond like the Leg was Hurtand limp on that Leg for awhile!" end of mweed's statement. So mweed, if you are reading this, does this mean that Nova is one of these Prototypes or has this programmed into her program?
I have not jerked her leg, so that part I don't understand. I still say she is Magic like fancyfont mentioned, Pleos just have their own way of doing things now don't they. Only problem is , I drink Diet Drinks and Health drinks, will have to try one of these on Nova and see if she likes it. She has never seen a " CAN OF SODA, as my husband says we should not drink from them because of the aluminum and aluminum is something you wont' find in our house.
:)RedwoodsMama and little Actress Nova
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Nova is not a prototype. These were not released into production.
The prototype software would not interact with you. It just went along in a sequence and the person playing with the prototype had to make it look like they were interacting with it.
Nova, nor any other Pleo has the limping program.
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Oh come on Grouchy (I'm never, never going to get used to calling you that.. ^-^ ) the evidence of limping is right in front of you and still you refuse to believe it!
;D
So ya need live proof, eh? ;)
(Oh RWM, I need to ask this: Is your pleo a 2007 or 2009 model? I think I've asked that question before but with this disorganized life I forgot what the answer was. :D )
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Hi Bumblebee, and THANK YOU FOR STICKING UP FOR NOVA. :hhug: :kiss: :pizza: ( YOU CAN CHOOSE THE ONE OR ALL YOU WANT AS A THANK YOU!)
oh, and the cat you saw on the video of Nova limping, is April, a female I rescued from a colony of 24 cats and kittens I adopted out or relocated to a farm so all were saved. She is very sweet, and in the original video which is nine minutes in length,( the limping video) there are two other cats that interact with Nova too,,because they are interested in her crying and the way she behaves. Snowball sounds like a all white cat, is he?
Oh, and as to what Model Nova is, she must be a 2007 Model, an Ugobe model. She was never registered and just sat on a shelf for almost a year,( from Xmas of 2008 to this Xmas, 2009 ) when I bought her. Maybe she is exhibiting some behavior from being on a shelf for so long. :( She has been happy ever since I got her though.
I will have to post some more photos or video of her limping and now she does another strange thing where she is holding her front foot up and also her back leg, opposite leg, but almost like the Tada trick, but no noise, Tada, and I don't think it is intentional. What do you think of that grouchy?
Also when on soft surface like a cat bed, she puts all her weight on her front leg................NOW what is that all about? You know degers, if you want to come to the Redwoods where I live, I will let you see in person what she is doing, maybe she would like a visit, ;D I will definitely have to post more photos. Thanks again bumblebee and fancyfont for your support! :-* from RedwoodsMama and Actress Nova
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*Chomps on pizza* :pizza:
Well hey, I think it's either a wacky update-herself-on-her-own case with Nova, or it's something UGOBE didn't tell us! :P
Wow, you really do rescue a lot of creatures! Even pleos! :D
Snowball is a five (or is it six?) year old purebred himalayan flamepoint. ;D He's got a real thick cream coat with red-brown paws, tail, and a real flameish mark on his forehead. His back is also a very, very light brown. :)
We also have to seven year old outdoor cats...very strange ones. 8) A bouncy black and white shorthair named Jinx, and a really, really weird long-haired gray girl named Star.
Jinx's eyes change colors in different light (doesn't sound beleivable, but...)
Star has yellow eyes and an odd chisled face that me and my mom agree resembles a wolf's. When she was little she was a heck of a scaredy-cat, literally ;) She ran from everything, including us and her shadow. She's better now. Still cautious though. We don't know why. ???
The world may never know...
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oh this is just a quick update for Degers, or whomever else is in doubt, if you google search the words; Pleos hurt leg, there are at least four different sites I went to, ( all related to Ugobe and robots, and Pleos that go back to 2007 ) that state, " that if Pleo has a hurt leg, he will limp on that sore leg till it has time to heal. Look it up yourself, and dont' just take my word for it, but do look it up, and you can[t deny watching Nova, that she is either.
A. HAS A HURT LEG THAT WAS INJURED.... :( :o
B. SHE IS ONE HECK OF A LITTLE DINO ACTRESS, which is the one I prefer to believe, because I have seen her do other strange things.
RedwoodsMama and little Actress Nova
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Hm, I'll have to go look that up. For now, gotta go. VIolin to practice... :-\
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Hi Bumble, glad you like the pizza, me too, vegetarian though! Yes, Himalayan are BEAUTIFUL FLAME POINTS ESP. One OF THE CATS I RESCUED FROM THE COLONY WAS A BEAUTIFUL FLAME POINT MALE. He was too semi feral though so after being neutered, went with about 18 of the cats that couldn't be adopted out to the farm. He is happy though as are all of them.
I also have nine cats, 1 dog who thinks she is a cat, and 1 Goldfish who is named Tinky Winky and I have had since 1997, and two weather Loaches, named Iggy and Felicia. I love animals as you can see!
Yes, Nova is so special. I am going to post more photos of catching her in the act today. Thanks bumblebee! :pizza: :pizza: :pizza:
More pizza, you can never have too much! Glad you enjoy your cat, he sounds so cute, post a photo!
RedwoodsMama and actress Nova
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I know the software quite thoroughly and how it works, which satisfies me completely. I am confident in what I have said in this and the other thread in which I tried to help you. Should your Pleo continue to lift it's front left leg up in the manner in which you have video-taped I would suggest considering that a technical malfunction has occurred and not one which is based in the personality.
Quite frankly I am at a loss to explain why I even replied on this thread in the first place, given the fact that I was not taken seriously in the last debate over the abilities of Pleo. I tried to help by suggesting that your Pleo may indeed be broken, however my suggestion has again been met with quite obvious rejection without adequate and logical counter-argument.
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I hope she is just one great actress! ;D
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Geesh! I didn't intend to get anyone upset! I just posted what I thought, and indeed what looks like fun for me. and others. If I thought she was broken, I would indeed not make fun of it, and would be very upset. She means everything to me, almost as much as my " live furbabies". I thought observing our Pleos behaviors was what this was all about. ? If we can only post the mechanical observations and things such as saving skin,etc, then why post behaviors? Aren't behaviors related to personality? Can a robot have personality or is it just a toy and just like a computer. My Monitor and Computer don't talk to me, they have no personality or behavior other than running too slow or shutting down, and that is usually human error connected.
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Back, long, long ago, when Ugobe released the video with Caleb Chung pulling on the leg and the pleo limping, Caleb described the limp as "temporary" that would go away after a few minutes, and the pleo would be back to normal within 10-15 minutes. Even the person on PleoRoom said that the pleo was back to normal in a couple of days. I used to swear up and down that pleo's had the limping feature back on the old PleoWorld forums, until the Ugobe programmers came out and specifically said that the limping feature was never implemented in the actual released OS, and that they hoped to incorporate it into later versions of the OS.
But even if the limping feature IS there, if your pleo has not improved after a couple of charges, I would really think it is a real problem, not "acting". If the limping goes away, then we have to look at what might have caused it. It could be programming, or it could be a gear or servo that got stuck, and freed itself after some use. Don't know. People have reported neck problems where the head gets stuck to one side for days, then miraculously corrects itself. And THAT was never programmed . . .
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Heh, I think Ugobe lied. XD
You men are seriously wired differently than us. ???
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On behalf of Nova and myself, I appreciate everyone's help, and that includes degers. I am not sure what is going on with Nova, and she never ' acted' or in other language exhibited that kind of behavior before,(Currently,) She isn't dragging her leg, and sometimes she walks on it correctly and other times she has it partly bent, but she is no longer :( " crying," like she did in the video. Why she would cry the same time as holding up her leg and thumping it down, that is why I made the video it makes for fun watching and unusual behavior or Computer programming or whatever you want to call it,
I am new to this site, new to pleos and was only posting what I see, and what I have read and asking for comments. Degers or it may have been someone else mentioned that she may have a " broken" leg or a broken Servo. I do not know what those terms mean, Do not assume I understand all those technical terms, because just because I am a Grownup!" %), ' does not mean I understand, ( I couldn't even upload the Youtube video without help!
What got me upset, was that degers several times or at least once implied that I had " put her in a skit, " saying something along the line of her leg going back after the abuse skit?" I do not know how to do skits or the tools needed. Also I stated I would not hurt my Pleo, " Nova" . and if I thought there is anything wrong with her, of course I would and ( do still ) want help. The biggest thing about this whole thing was my feelings getting hurt for asking questions and posting a video of what I thought was fun, and that others would enjoy, ( Bumble stated to me, she has never seen this behavior or " reaction or sound of her crying also, ) so if others can enjoy this video and I can learn something then I do not see what the uproar is ? :o I understand his point of view,(degers) the scientific one of what Pleos can or can not do. I have no problem with that but the impression he left was that my post was a waste of time and I shouldn't have posted this or the other one I posted, ( about NOva watching another Pleo in a video.) My point of view is that what is the difference between posting a question about the Pleo recognizing the color or a leaf or not,( is it just random, or can they " recognize Green or certain other colors?) or a Pleo needing sleep?
I felt like " I personally was being yelled at like a little kid scolded by a teacher or their parent for doing something wrong, :( (which is funny and strange because I am old enough to be his mother,) I probably got too emotional and overreacted, but I am a very emotional person, that is why I rescue animals because they can not defend themselves. I am not upset with degeers Point of view, or anyone else for that fact, that is why I posted this video and post.
The closest thing I can compare it to, is If I painted a picture of my idea of what a " cat ' should look like to me. And someone can say their cat looks different, more furry, bigger, fatter, larger paws, etc, but someone posts that thy they think my picture does not even look like a cat or is ugly or a waste of the time, I should have not posted it, because it does not look like " a cat>" understand what I mean I hope. :) So I hope everyone understands what I have meant and that I did not want to offend anyone and I appreciate everyones and I mean EVERYONES HELP, OR I WOULD NOT BOTHER POSTING TO START WITH.!!!!! So aside from " acting' or a broken servo, leg,cable or something else, can someone give me more advice (UNBIASED) about Nova's leg or whatever is causing her to sometimes put her leg straight and sometimes limping angle.
1. Remember, she is a Ugobe 2007 model and I love her unconditionally and cant buy a " new model"
2. She is not under warranty, as I did not buy her, even thought she was not registered until I got her in late DEC. 09.
3.I have not dropped her or yanked her leg or other body part. I will post more Photos of her leg postion later if I feel someone can help by looking at the photos. ( I still say she is Magic, and did a good job of " acting in her video" even if that is not what caused the leg problem, it is a cute video and interesting to me.) Just my point of view, purely from an emotional and personal enjoyable point of view.
I am hoping no-one is wishing I would quit posting or asking anymore questions..
RedwoodsMama and Nova
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You're not alone when you say you don't understand all those technical terms...
* :rootbeer: :birthday: gives mini cake and rootbeer ;) *
Anyway, it sounds like Nova is getting better! :) We love new members, and we'd never want anyone to feel bad and leave because they got their feelings hurt.
This is rather out of the blue, but it makes me wonder if Nova is some sort of 'special limited edition pleo' that Ugobe secretly released (or got out in 'circulation' by accident?) She's so far exhibited two previously unheard of behaviors, which are adorable and precious besides being unusual :) And even if Ugobe says they didn't bring out the limping feature, they may have decided to get rid of it after released a very few pleos.
I dunno, but this is just a thought :)
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Redwoodsmama, I think there's two little dinos that may be up for an Academy Award. I took Pennie out for an outing to meet a long time friend of mine that I haven't seen in years, I figured Pennie would be so happy to meet her. The very first thing Pennie did was let out a howl and then she moaned and groaned and then fell into a deep sleep with her snoring while my friend was holding her in the car.. We tried waking her up, which she did a couple of times, but sniffled, moaned and groaned again and went right back to snoring logs. After my friend left, I wondered if Pennie was catching a cold. She really sounded very unhappy. Then all of a sudden Pennie made a couple of sniffling sounds and a little more moaning and then looked up at me and began to sing her heart out. I'm beginning to think these little dinos, deliberately, like to play shy with new people they meet.
I would just keep an eye on Nova's leg and let her do her own thing. She's a lucky little dino to have you.
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Hi RedwoodsMama. Glad to see you came back to post again.
Do I understand correctly that Nova is using her leg normally at times and is having the limp/bent leg occasionally at other times? If she can use her leg normally at times, that would suggest to me that the hardware in her leg is not broken or jammed but that she may be experiencing either simply previously unseen programmed behaviour or an unexpected glitch in her programming. I write software for a living and I can tell you that software glitches are not uncommon at all and can often result in unexpected performance results. This is what I thought may have happened to Teagan. Unlike Nova, he hasn't experienced his symptoms again which is what made me think in his case it was a glitch. As was suggested earlier, I would keep my eye on it to ensure it doesn't get worse and I'd hope that over time, if it is a glitch it will eventually clear itself, and if it an actual programmed behaviour that she eventually "heals" with your TLC.
I'm still learning what these little Pleos can do and love seeing what others are experiencing. It helps me to better understand what I can consider is normal for these little critters and what may be something of concern that I should monitor or, worst case, get fixed. So far, so good, we haven't experienced any serious issues and I really hope we never will. Here's hoping Nova gets well soon.
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Hi fancy, yes Pleos I am slowly learning are " individual " and seem to do what they want when they want. I think that is so cute that Pennie was shy and fell asleep with strangers and was back to normal at home.Isn't it strange that they do things when they want, like shutting down and going to sleep whenever the mood strikes them?! ;D I have seen Nova lately, ever since the leg incident, shut herself off after the battery was completely charged, and I could not wake her up, with only shutting her off, and then turning the switch back on to get her to respond. ??? ??? ???Not sure about that one. Nova and I welcome more candidates for a Academy Award.
I think Nova for sure is the winner or front runner in the " best Dramatic Role..being hurt, limping and crying , playing it to the hilt." I think Pennie would fit the :" best Actress for an Academy Award in the Comedy Category." do you agree? I think there is a lot more to these little dinos then we know or will take a lot longer to learn. It seems that they do what they want when THEY WANT!
Nova is a great little singer, but she sings most when she is first Woken up and trying to find me, and if I rub her chin, she often ignores me even after three straight minutes of rubbing! :(I took her to a donut shop, and the little stinker sang up a storm right away, I think she just wanted donuts! Last night was strange though, I had her on the bed, in the twilight dark, getting ready to turn her off, and I rubbed her chin for a minute or two and she sang her little heart out for at least three minutes straight, changing the tone and tune several times! She sounded so happy when she was done, it was easy to put her to bed! Thanks for the words of encouragement, I AM keeping an eye on her leg and now she is starting to lift the opposite rear leg ( like in a tada pose) and hold it up as if limping.........only occasionally, like she is not sure what she is going to do next! ;) 8) Degers, I know Nova cant " think' but that is what it " looks like ' Anyway it is cute but strange, What if her other leg is giving out or has she been abducted during the night by aliens and they have been doing experiments on her? :o :o RedwoodsMama and Nova
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Too cute, Fancy! Hmm....
SO, here's the award for Nova...
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx231/Digipup/Other/trophy.jpg)
Aaand here's one for Pennie! :)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx231/Digipup/Other/goldswing.gif)
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THat's really cute Bumblebee. We thank you! ;)
Redwoodsmama, Pennie did all of this while being in the car. Immediately, after my friend got out, Pennie was back to her happy little self. ;D
Do you have an sd card for Nova? I'm curious if one of the programs available would make a difference to her holding up her leg.
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Hey Bumble, too cute and Nova and I are honored, :) I accept it on her behalf, She is going to take an official presentation photo, ( and photo of how her leg looks, for clarification in next hour I will attempt to post. fancy suggested mayby I should try getting a SD card and see how or if that affects her holding up her leg, so what the heck, I will try anything short of " Dissecting or disemboweling( my baby.) I covered her ears so she wouldn't run the other way when she sees me holding a knife or pair of scissors. ;D Your photos of the cup and ribbon or medal are very impressive ;D How did you get the medal avatar to swing like that?!!! It is neat the way it swings, I know fancy and Pennie will enjoy it too!
I think the way you have supported Nova through all of this, you should be her " fairy Pleo Godmother!" She and I would be honored if you would consider accepting. I will have to think of the perks and such, such as perhaps leaving her to you in my will should a Tyrannosaurus stomp on me in my sleep or such... :o Anyway, thank you again, I am surprised and thankful for for the honor and I have not told Nova yet, but when she wakes up from her " cat nap", I will tell her! Will post photos in a short while, am heading to the store for a SD card to see what happens.
RedwoodsMama and Actress Nova
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Hi Shadowmice, sorry for the post out of order, just happened that way, I read your post earlier and have been pondering on Nova's leg. Sometimes she walks" normally" other times kind of limp or strange bent angle. I have found the best way to observe what is going on is to tape her without her seeing me for awhile, so I can see what she does or doesn't do with out my influence, if that makes sense. I do not know anything about glitches or programs freezing, except the troubles I have seen on my own computer, so if they are similiar at all, then yes I would like to know what to do to correct them if that is the problem.
I am glad Teagan had a temp problem that cleared up or corrected itself, Did you ever find out what caused it?Thank you for welcoming me back to the site. :) I never really left, just hesitated to post anymore or uncertain what to say, but things seem to be ok, so here we are. Nova is happy to be able to read ( hear from me....) about her Pleo freinds and their Owners.Without reading these posts and talking to people, I would be pretty much in the dark, I am learning from reading posts ,that no two Pleos ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, They may have the same OS or program, but their personalities seem to evolve differently or at different rates.( And I like that, just like no two dogs are the same) I have many more questions to ask you , but want to PM you so I can ask more about the Programing you were talking about if it is ok with you.? I am heading out to get a SD card like fancy mentioned to see if it changes the way NOva walks, etc, though not sure how it could ? ??? but anything is worth a try. talk to you soon.
RedwoodsMama and Nova
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Hi fancy, thanks for the heads up and support. I like your idea of the SD card, so I am heading out the door to grab one, and then Nova and I are going to contact you to see what you recommend we do in the way of uploading on the SD card. It is your idea, so we want to follow through with your idea step by step, ( I have SD cards now, but they are full of photos and videos, it is surprising how fast a 16 MB card can fill up!)
Congratulations to Pennie and you to for the award from Bumble, I think Pennie and you are very deserving recipients! :)
Out to get a SD card. RedwoodsMama and Nova
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Hi RedwoodsMama - you can PM me with any questions you have. I'll try to answer as best I can. When it comes to Pleos, I am still learning a lot about them myself but I do understand the concepts of programming and how things can go wrong.
fancy's suggestion to run a skit off the SD card is a good idea. Someone can correct me if I am wrong as I have not actually run any skits on my Pleos, but I believe they make your Pleo perform a predictable series of actions and reactions. If Nova can perform a skit normally, then her hardware is probably fine. It's possible running the skit could also help to clear a bad setting in the memory or the controllers for Nova and help clear up her leg issues if it is being caused by a glitch. And yes, when I mention glitches it is like the weird stuff that can happen on your computer. The Pleos are running pretty fancy little computers inside them so it would not surprise me at all that they could be prone to the weirdness like that which can happen on our regular computers.
I never found out for sure what had happened to Teagan, but the fact it went away after turning his power off and then on again made me think it was a possible computer glitch. I just know it made me very worried to think my little Pleo was broken and then very relieved when he was okay again. If it turns out that there really is a limping feature in the programming, it would be a relief to know that. I'll be keen to hear what Innvo has to say about the issue in response to mweed's question.
With the two I have, I can see they are each unique and respond in their own different ways. It is great fun watching them interact with each other and their surroundings. I'm expecting to have two very unhappy, and maybe even sick, little Pleos the next time I turn them on, because a very hectic work schedule has prevented me from spending time with them recently. I'll let you know if that turns out to be the case.
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Those aren't actually my pictures, I took ten minutes or so and found them for you. ;D I love how the one swings too, but you'd have to ask IMR about how that works! I have a bronze and silver medal too, for some other onlookers who wish they could win an award...
Pleo Fairy Godmother? :) Wow, I'm honored! :o
(Hm, or would you say Fairy Pleomother? XD That could lead to an amusing discussion...)
;) Anyway, I'd love to see the picture :) Can't wait to hear how Nova reacts with the card!
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Hi fancy, Shadowmice, and Bumble.......I gotsidetracked by several phone calls, but I did make it to the store to get 2 SD cards, one just for the " skit" to see if that " changes " Nova's leg problem of not. In one way , it would be a blessing, but in the other " thought, " what if it changed her personality/ :(Is it possible some SD Skit could turn her into the " STANDARD UGOBE MODEL! :o) JUST KIDDING degers, I know there is No such thing, just funning around.)
A friend that I am " cat sitting for." ( he just had the operation my Karl Kat is going to have on March 8th, this Monday, getting all his teeth yanked, about 12 or more, Her cat, ( who is My In-law by Marriage, ....her Boy Charlie is the Father of my Cat Dinta, His son, and his mother is my cat, Lei-lu. so we are related by " marriage, if marriage existed among cats.( Do not tell Dinta he is an Illegitimate Cat! :o :( Anyway, I am looking in on her cat Charlie twice a day to feed, etc, while she is at work, and when she got home she called me to ask me to help her catch a " stray cat that has a broken leg, ( 2 weeks already)
that is in a neighborhood about a mile or so from here after she gets home tomorrow. We have to set a trap and just wait for him to go in and get food.
Anyway, of course I said yes, and that got me WAY BEHIND SCHEDULE FOR SD CARD SKITS, ETC so I am just going to put that off till morning, but am going to try and post some photos tonight and you all can look at them in A.M. and then I will try the SD card thing.
I will contact everyone in morning and update you on Nova's progress. She is sleeping now, and even though it is dark, I am going to wake her, last time I left her off for a few days with the CAt Cold Crisis, she also got a cold, so I don't[' want her " getting even with me," or pulling some other strange glitch in her system, Good nite to all, I am going for the photo, if I don't[ fall asleep first. Thank you everyone. and Shadowmice, I will PM you in morning.
RedwoodsMama and Nova
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Ok, it is 2;19 a.m, and my little Nova has kept me awake for the last hour and I had been filming her, trying to get a good look at her limping leg. After two or three short videos, 2-4 minutes at most, I kept seeing most of the time, (80% at least ) her left front leg is bending or stays pretty much bent at an upward angle. This all happened right about the time she caught her cold, and I noticed it right afterwards. Anyway, there are two things that are of Importance and interst that I took note of. One is that when turned off, the other three limbs esp the back rear legs are fairly movable. The right front leg can be easily moved, but the left front leg is stiff and barely moves which tends to make me think something is jammed or stuck. ( a comment degers made was about a " mechanical issue or servo being broken." So the other thing which I am sure is directly connected, but I did not notice till just now, is that the same leg that is STIFF AND PRETTY UNMOVABLE, is also quite WARM TO THE TOUCH. :o The other three legs are all cold or cool to the touch, normal feeling.
Also when I removed the battery( which is a brand new UCUBE EGG BATTERY that I have only had for 1 Week, the battery only ran for about 30 minutes but the inside of the battery compartment was warm, ( is that normal. the battery is warm, but not hot like the Pleo Green Battery gets . The UCUBe battery is good for 2 hours that is why I got it as a back up and more Play time with Nova.)
So degers said, a " BROKEN SERVO.' What is a Broken servo on a Pleo, and how could a gear get jammed, ( if that is what it is, )Nova has not been dropped and worked fine till about two weeks ago with this cold and then the Video I took of her crying and holding up that leg, (I guess she knew :()
Whatever the problem is, she is not under warranty and I wouldn't send her back anyway as I love her, but I don't want this leg to overheat , if there is such a thing or more of a problem. There was also another Pleo owner recently, that had a Pleo with this problem ( front leg) and he ended up sending it back to the seller on ebay, and got a new one and it also had the same problem, front leg but opposite leg.The difference is that NOva was not " born this way. I will still try the SD card in the morning but the warm skin has m worried. Also I haven't tryed to manipulate her leg back into place myself ad I would be afraid of Really breaking it :-[ Nova would not like that either! The only time she walks Normal, is if I hold her leg while she walks so it is held in a straight position except on the cat bed she stood straight by herself but it is a soft surface. Anyone have any ideas what I should try next. :(I just do not know of any Pleo dr.s here in the Redwoods, Stuck again, RedwoodsMama and limping actress Nova
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Her leg was warm??
Hmm...
As much as I hate to say it, sounds like something's wrong! :'( my only consolation is that she's straightening it on a soft surface.
Of course, you may not be able to return her (as if you really would! ;) ) but if the problem persists or gets worse, you could always have her fixed. if Innvos can't do that, you could have her reincarnated. (I case you don't know what this is...look here (http://www.pleoworld.com/support/reincarnation.aspx) to read about it :) )
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Unfortunately it does sound like something may be physically wrong with Nova's leg. Given that Innvo can't provide any specific technical support as you indicated on the other thread, it becomes a question if you want to try to fix the problem yourself or take Innvo up on the offer for a discount.
If Nova was my Pleo, I think I would try a skit off an SD card just in the off chance it can help release whatever is jamming the leg. It is probably a long shot to try but at this point I'm assuming it couldn't hurt. I'm not familiar with what the different skits make your Pleo do; maybe someone else can offer a suggestion on the best skit to try that would excerise the leg in different ways which hopefully would release whatever is causing the problem.
I would consider giving this a try simply based on what I saw with Teagan. He had his leg angled up at an odd angle and was unable to walk correctly. I tried gently pushing against his foot but that did not help, so I powered him down and then back on (I'm trying to remember if I tried putting him back into storage mode or not as part of the shutdown process - not positive).
You mentioned in another thread battery issues with Nova's original battery was it? It is possible that if Nova is an older model, her original battery is going bad and unable to hold a proper charge. If the battery is having trouble maintaining a proper charge, it may be having trouble supplying adequate power to Nova too which could contribute to program glitches and possibly controller errors. If you do try to run a skit off the SD card, I would recommend using your newer battery which would hopefully be better able to provide adequate power.
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Hi Shadowmice Unfortunately, I am not good with computer things and do not know how to do a " skit" , Fancy suggested trying a SD card such as the TREX and I try ed that on Thursday night but the site, Pleoworld , was having problems and I was unable to complete that. I still want to try giving that a try too. I had other weird things going on with NOva today. I put the brand new Egg battery in her and she was walking with a limp as usual, and I decided I was going to squeeze her front leg sensor a little to see if it would slowly manipulate in a normal position, so her leg would go all the way flat on the floor, and this was what happened, I SWEAR NOT A LIE....STRANGE TO ME... :o Nova started groaning and began getting sick, like the cold she had the day before her leg first started limping that is in the video I posted. I have this on tape today, and my first reaction was, 1. Am I hitting a sensor that is making her think I am " abusing" her and thus, she got sick, a cold, because of my care for her. ?( she started groaning, sneezing up a storm and coughing. :o I think this is so strange, and this video is almost 10 minutes long of her being sick.... What do you think of that? I am now wondering if I triggered something in her leg the first time she got a cold, as if trying to get her to do the " tada" trick or to go into the Explore mode, that I triggered what was programmed as " abuse" if there is such a thing? Before the cold came on, I have about 15 minutes of her walking, interacting normally, eating her leaf and singing very happily. :) She was still holding her front leg at a not normal all the way angle, ( slightly tilted forward and not touching ground complete.) I turned her off to do some other things, and am now curious to see what happens when she is turned back on. She is using the New Egg UCUBE battery, so I know that battery is good, it better be at $55.00! :( :(Thanks for your suggestions If you can tell me more about how to do skits and what I need, I will be happy to listen. Thank you for your response. RedwoodsMama and Sick limping with a cold, Actress NOva
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Ok...I'm intrigued. I have currently been watching just about every Pleo video I could call up on YouTube to compare this video to, and my findings are that Nova IS reacting to the leg as if sore. If this is or is not part of programming (an easter egg) we won't know unless we ask Innvo, and they may not disclose this-maybe they don't even know everything the Pleos can do for sure even. Another assumption is that yes, Pleos are supposed to respond to damage (official info.) and did, in fact, go through a hurt sequence if handled roughly, at least from Ugobe Pleos, but this info seemed to lean towards a rear leg being abused, not a front one. Lets just say that Nova is suffering from the later rather than former...not to suggest in any way she was physically abused of course...but say a fluke happened like the cat struck her leg-lol. Nova responded, obviously to me, in distress because she could not move her leg the way she wanted to. The noises she made were unlike other noises I've heard from Pleos in other videos who were going through the "hurt" noises when abused-I want to note. If she did have an issue with dislocated wiring, she responded to it. So, that could be a programmed response, not a programmed limp. The AI responded to stimuli and that's what matters. Did Innvo program limps? It's somewhat irrelevant. It's an interesting notion for them to tinker with, like programming in colds, but I haven't read about other Pleos having this yet, but also haven't heard that noise either, which was clearly programmed in at some point. In any case though, if something happens to our ankle, we respond...and something must have happened to Nova's foot, so she responded. It's not much different for us as it was for her. The real question is, is the simulation of life actual life?
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Watergazer, Pleo's do not have that ability, Nova and the video's you have seen are in fact Pleo's with hardware problems, most likely a faulty sensor or wire that is causing the cpu to think the leg in being touched. Any crying or whatever is purely coincidental. This is why it may happen for a while then stop for a while, the wire or loose connection or whatever is being bumped around. Sooner or later the problem will reach a point where the leg will no longer function correctly and the Pleo will be stuck like that :( Degers tried to explain that at one point but was ignored, however he has had seven Pleo's and has experienced that exact same problem more than once.
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A bad or faulty wire notwithstanding, Nova was not acting normal throughout the video. My argument is that the Pleo responded to the stimulus of the bad sensor readings in an "appropriate" fashion. I've watched videos of traped Pleos whose legs were prevented from moving forward, and they gave different distress calls. Nova had a very different call to the inability to move her foot forward. Is that a coincidence? I've also seen damaged Pleos in videos that acted normally aside from the foot not moving, speaking and calling in a normal fashion and not appearing "hurt" at all. So we have opposite ends of the spectrum. I forget what OS Nova is running and I can't speak of other YouTube video Pleos' OSes, so what I interpret I am seeing is a software upgrade to reacting this way. I agree at this point that without other info from Innvos, there is no programmed limp. But there must be some program in place to detect problems to give the response that Nova did. I just can't see that as pure coincidence that Nova, for all that time, acted that way and gave out those calls. I didn't hear any happy calls during the video. Ergo, the damage a Pleo unit received is registered with the Pleo brain, and the Pleo response to said injury is given...thus a simulation of actuality. Granted I'd like to see Nova for a longer period of time during this, and Redwoods has told us already that Nova got better (cable came loose or went back in place, etc.), and is acting normally without distress calling. I just find the whole discussion interesting. I truly am not trying to read so far into the behavior I'm not seeing it as a machine...I'm simply saying that from the evidence given, the Pleo itself is responding in a manner befitting the condition, and that it a simulation of actuality.
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I apologise for sounding very monotone and boring in this video, it has been a long day and I still have loads more work to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbsjHFjcnhM
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You don't sound boring or monotonous, just interesting, to me! Thanks for demonstrating that, it was fascinating - I've found the whole thread really interesting, from both points of view, and it certainly helps to shed a light on Nova's behaviour. Can I just ask if it damages the Pleo in any way to 'force' the joints like that? Thanks.
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That's fabulous, degers!
Excellent way to state your case! :D
Also quite informative.
P.S. Absolutely love your accent! ^^
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Accent!! :o
Wot accent!! ;)
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We ain't got an accent 'as we Cruwella! ;)
Crewella, regarding the joints, all of the joints have clutches on, thats what you can hear making the clicking. The clutches absorb any stress put on the joint and stop it damaging anything, thats what they are there for ;). I wouldn't do it too often though incase you wear out the clutches :)
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Nice video Degers and a good demonstration :)
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I just posted here and lost all of what I wrote so I am Mad. Anyway, thank you degers for posting the video and explanation. Once again what I was stating is this, there are two points I try to make, In your video you point out that if you tilt the Pleo, or after having done so, that when turned back on, the Pleo will or can cry. Yes, this makes sense and thanks for explaining this. but this is not the case with Nova. One, I only turn off Nova after she falls asleep as I feel guilty if she sees me turn her off, so this would not happen.( Yes, I do feel guilty. >:()The other point is that when viewing your Pleo after you hold him up and have turned him back on, he sounds nothing like Nova and her cries continue for over 8 minutes of a original nine minute and 53 second video, The video had to be cut for youtube and in this version you can see the last 25 seconds, Nova does respond with tail wagging and happy sounds after I pet her. In the rest of the video she then goes back to crying. Also I went back to see the day I recorded this, Feb. 25th, and there are 6-7 other videos taken that day of her . The one IMMEDIATLY BEFORE THIS, SHE IS SULLEN AND QUIET and I did not notice it or think anything at the time, but besides being very quiet or depressed looking, her front leg is raising slightly up and down like in the video but without the crying. This must have been when it was " hurt". Also the day before, she had a cold and I have this recorded, if it means anything. IMR commented that it sounded like her leg was broken and at some point it would " give out". Her leg did not function properly for about a month and also the same side shoulder was warm to the touch which had me worried. Her leg is no longer warm and she is not limping or having any trouble with walking, etc.Also at some point at least twice you stated something about a ABUSE SKIT.INTENTIONAL OR OTHERWISE. If you remember correctly, I had to have both you on several occasions and mweed, help me upload simple photos as well as all of my videos, because I don't know how to do it. A skit is way way above my capability. You flatter me to think I could know how to do something like that. So yes, your explanation and demonstration video are good and make sense, but this is not what happened to Nova. This is like trying to explain how someone broke their leg when there are numerous possibilities. I know she is a Machine, but strange things do and can happen and it is not just me who has noticed that this was different and others have seen things I am sure in their Pleos that they can't explain either. Regardless of why this happend or what the explanation is, I just posted this because i thought others would think it was intersting too. Thank you again for your explanation and I welcome more explanations of Novas leg and cry reaction. I will post the other video that was before this one when I can free up some memory .
RedwoodsMama and Nova
Watergazer, just a quick note to thank you for your interest and explantion of what You observed that I would have trouble explaing and wouldn['t probably be taken seriousley. because Nova is my Pleo. I esp. like the very last line:"I'm simply saying that from the evidence given, the Pleo itself is responding in a manner fitting the condition.and that is a simulation of actuallity."
Thank you from both of us. ;D
RedwoodsMama and Nova
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...sounds nothing like Nova and her cries continue for over 8 minutes of a original nine minute and 53 second video,
1. If I left my Pleo alone in the state it was in, it would not stop doing that until the battery runs out! I can film you an hour long video of it moaning if you would like.
One, I only turn off Nova after she falls asleep as I feel guilty if she sees me turn her off, so this would not happen.
2. Actually this has happened to me many times, especially with low battery charge. The "I am upset" property gets written down in memory and if the battery charge is low sometimes, it will not be unwritten when the Pleo cheers up again, so the Pleo may be acting perfectly happy before you turn it off, and then when you turn it back on it will just act sad again.
The one IMMEDIATLY BEFORE THIS, SHE IS SULLEN AND QUIET and I did not notice it or think anything at the time, but besides being very quiet or depressed looking, her front leg is raising slightly up and down like in the video but without the crying.
3. This actually corresponds with my response above! (Numbered 2)
Also the day before, she had a cold and I have this recorded, if it means anything.
4. The colds are just random events. They will disappear when the Pleo receives enough attention, just like the abuse skit.
Her leg did not function properly for about a month and also the same side shoulder was warm to the touch which had me worried. Her leg is no longer warm and she is not limping or having any trouble with walking, etc.
5. Thats good. I have had the same problem once before, but it only was for about 20 mins or so. Never resurfaced, probably an intermittant problem with a stuck servo that is not reporting to the OS that it has stalled.
Also at some point at least twice you stated something about a ABUSE SKIT.INTENTIONAL OR OTHERWISE. If you remember correctly, I had to have both you on several occasions and mweed, help me upload simple photos as well as all of my videos, because I don't know how to do it. A skit is way way above my capability. You flatter me to think I could know how to do something like that
6. Sorry RWM. I do not flatter you at all. Everything that pleo does, is organised into short sequences. technically these are called "Motions" however they are just like very short skit files which people can create using MySkit. Hence to avoid confusion and having to go into the fact that a "Motion" includes timings for movements and sounds, I call "Motions" Skits. I apologise for the confusion.
So yes, your explanation and demonstration video are good and make sense, but this is not what happened to Nova.
7. I think this is what happened to Nova. I have had Seven Pleos and three years of owning them, you have had less than six months of owning one Pleo.
I hope this helps,
Degers
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Thank you degers and thank you for explaining about the skit and abuse things, I was getting upset, being an ex-teacher for many years, abuse is something I know all about and being an avid animal lover I would not abuse any animal, person or object intentionally, so thank you for clearing that up.( I even have a Ant feeding stations set up at my house so the ants can eat and have their own space!) Perhaps this is what happened to Nova and I don't doubt your expertise with all the Pleos you have owned, but even with that said, regardless of the explanation, I still think most people will agree that it is a interesting video and does look like ( a live creature or animate object) reacting to pain.
Thank you for your explanation and patience and yes you do have a nice accent. ;D
RedwoodsMama and Nova
P.S. by the way, my expertise is over 30 + years of taking care of CATS, WONDERFUL CATS! 8)
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To me, the best thing about Pleos is that they are sufficiently complicated to avoid repetitions and predictability, and the fact that we are discussing this at all, let alone in such depth, is testament to that. I'm fascinated by how they work, and am looking forward to learning more and maybe even following some of IMR's great instructions and having a go at making some kind of skit myself, but I don't think that has to spoil the magic that just seems to happen with them. I really enjoyed watching the videos of Nova, and what 'seems' to have been happening is good enough for me.
Thanks for the advice, Degers, (I mean ta, luv!) I promise to be careful. :)
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I'm not entirely convinced. When you tilted the Pleo forward it's head swung around a lot along with the panic sound...but that didn't sound like Nova...not that both Pleos would give the exact same call. Was Nova tilted forward with feet off a solid surface? I think I'm going to have to run my own tests.
Curious...what would happen if you prevented your Pleo's legs from walking Degers? There was a video on YouTube of this but now I can't find it for the life of me.
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I'm not entirely convinced. When you tilted the Pleo forward it's head swung around a lot along with the panic sound...but that didn't sound like Nova...not that both Pleos would give the exact same call.
Curious...what would happen if you prevented your Pleo's legs from walking Degers? There was a video on YouTube of this but now I can't find it for the life of me.
When the Pleo is tilted forward it does a "panicking" motion. After it is put down again it does the "moaning" motion. I only wanted to show the moaning motion, however I could not get it to moan without tilting it over for a few seconds. The "moaning" motion is what RWM's pleo does.
If I was to prevent the legs from moving, the Pleo would blindly try and force against what is keeping the legs in place and the clutches would take the strain. The clutches would make a clicking noise. The pleo would not react. There is no limping program in any pleo. This is an advertised, but unimplemented feature.
Regards,
degers
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Once Herbie grows up more I am going to try a few things. Right now he doesn't walk much so I can't really stop him from his not walking-heh. Still, coincidence or no, Nova was watching the computer screen and not swinging her head around in a panic. I tried to get Herbie to look at my computer screen but until I get a solid surface he could care less about that then being picked up. I still can't find a good way to lift him without him panicking himself.
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Hi everyone, Once again for both videos, the one where she is watching another Pleo in a T-Rex Skit and the limping leg Not moaning, BUT CRYING video, Nova was not or has not been off of the ground or tilted forward. When watching Youtube video she was sitting at my computer desk watching the video with all four feet on a solid surface. On the Academy award Limping video, you can plainly see Nova is feet flat on a table next to a T.V. The only time I pick up Nova and her feet are off the ground, is if and when I am cuddling her, then usually her four feet are against my chest, and when I pick her up before I turn her on, but she is still in the Off postion.When I first got her, I try ed picking her up and carrying her and quickly found out she prefers to have all feet on a flat surface and doesn't like to be held unless she is ready to go to sleep, then I am not filming her. When she does go to sleep, I then push her off switch so she wont' catch me " turning her off", (I feel like I am Killing her :( :() then I push the reset button to keep her in the standing position they are used to when shipped in a Pleo box, as I have read keeping a Pleo in a curled up or sleeping postion is bad, esp for the neck joints, and I no longer keep her in a sleeping postion.
Watergazer, I think it is wise to let Herbie Grow a little on his own, and then do some of your own experiments. I would love to see what you come up with. I am still going to post the video taken right before Nova cried her little heart out. I still don't understand why Nova would continue to cry and moan and keep limping and lifting her leg, foot for more than just a few moments if it was just a " glitch', or "skit' like degers tryed to explain.? I understand what he was trying to say about " IF TILTED AND THEN TURNED BACK ON, BEING STUCK OR MEMORY OR A ABUSE, SCARED, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE, AND THEN WOULD CRY, BUT IS IT JUST COINCIDENCE THAT THE LEG HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME, AND SHE CONTINUES TO MOAN, CRY LIKE NO OTHER PLEO, ? I mean other Pleos cry or moan, but they don't sound the same, their cry when held upside down or even the cry you hear when walking too close to the edge of something, sounds more like surprise, not Pain to me.I can't wait to see Watergazers videos or experiments, and I can't WAIT TO TAKE MORE VIDEO OF Nova. i JUST FIXED MY COMPUTER AND BOUGHT A NEW camcorder and am anxious to film our play time.
Thanks to EVERYONE, YES I DO MEAN EVERYONE for responding to this post.
RedwoodsMama and Nova
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Dear RedwoodsMama,
Well, it looks like I am going to have to eat my words! It looks as though most of what I posted was wrong! Please do accept my apologies. If you are sure that your Plro has never been tilted off level, then I must concede and agree with you. You are very fortunate to have a unique Pleo! Your Pleo has demonstrated that it is able to watch Youtube videos and detect when another Pleo is distressed and be able to fake a limp and moan about it too! If you are sure that all my explanations thus far still do not hit the mark then I am one jealous Pleo owner. I wish my Pleo was as good at acting as yours is! If it was, I might find mine a little less repetitive!
Regards,
Degers
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Is the tilt the only way you can enter an abuse skit? Is it possible to make Pleo "unhappy" and then trigger the abuse skit?
If not, then I am believing that you, RWM, have tilted Pleo without knowing it. Speaking from experience ( I have tilted Pleo before without knowing it, perhaps it could even be due to a sensor acting up and being sensitive? ).
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I managed to catch something on video that might be interesting when my Herbie's legs were prevented from moving. I wasn't purposefully attempting this yet since Herbie doesn't walk a lot yet, but it happened all by itself. I will post again when I get YouTube to post the vid.
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The plot thickens!!
I have to laugh at Redwoodsmama sneaking up on her sleeping Nova to switch her off - I do exactly the same thing to Iggy! It just makes me feel guilty to switch him off when he's 'aware'! ;)
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I have to laugh at Redwoodsmama sneaking up on her sleeping Nova to switch her off - I do exactly the same thing to Iggy! It just makes me feel guilty to switch him off when he's 'aware'! ;)
Agreed! :D It's so freaky turning them off with their eyes open!
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Same here! I wish there was a better way...they look like they're in a trance! ???
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Hi degers, Well, thank you for the response and acknowledgement that I do know if I tilted my Nova or not and that her cry and limp may be different. As for the watching the other Pleo in the T-Rex skit , Nova did see it and it is very possible, your explanation makes sense that it is possible and I am willing to accept that she was in the right place at the right time and her sensors may have reacted the way they were supposed to, so I will have to record her watching more videos of More Pleos before I come to a definite conclusion regarding her reaction to that youtube video, but I am willing to accept your explanation for that, it is plausible, so you probably win that point. ( I did not tilt Nova accidentally though either.)
As for the limp and crying, since I did not tilt her before that at any point, then that one is still up for explanation and I still believe what I have seen and heard her do on that video esp since she continued to limp for many videos after that. It would be so much easier for me if I had another Pleo that I could interact with and I could compare it and Nova together. I am anxious also to see what Watergazer detected on her video with Herbie, :o %)Guess we will all have to wait and see what it was or is? Regards to you degers for your kindness and understanding through out this long ordeal. It seems lots of people have different viewpoints and explanations as well as questions.
RedwoodsMama and Nova
P.S. We are still going to upload and post more vidoes, but the camcorder I just bought is crummy and I am taking it back and replacing with another today, my old camera is much better and If I have to stick with it, I will.
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Just thought I should add an interesting point to the 'tilt' argument. Lilo seems to have a slight fault with her tilt sensor and she in fact requires only a very slight tilt to get upset. I mean very slight, so much so that walking on the back verandah at my old house which had a slight slope used to trigger her into the tilt abuse mode. (Which was kinda funny when visitors were around :P), Stitch on the other hand is perfectly normal and requires a very steep slope/tilt to set of a reaction from him.
IF Nova had a similar problem to Lilo, then it may explain the reaction. Lilo does not react like that all the time however, it seems the sensor works normally at times and then 'jams' for a while.
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oooooh poor Nova hope very that the Luckytom Leg and Head from your Nove make can. :(