Topic: I've broken out into a cold sweat... I just spent $1700 !!! (Read 14749 times)

OzPleo · « **Reply #50 on:** January 20, 2011, 01:20:35 PM »

Another thing I like is in comparison to aibo (I've had a few) the way he looks around. Aibo kind of rotates it's head in a robotic scan motion. It stops and does this sweeping one side to another panning movement, whereas Genibo actually "looks" around just like a dog does. His head moves naturally with short, sharp movements as though he's actually taking in as much of his surroundings as he can whilst still being aware of where he is. You could say aibo looks robotic and not completely aware of his surroundings until it's completed it's scan, but Genibo knows where he is he's just looking around because something caught his attention.

OzPleo · « **Reply #51 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:06:29 PM »

So here's Stanley's first video on his second battery cycle. He's still learning so he's a bit shaking, but I wanted him to show you a few tricks.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu4iCLL5gH8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu4iCLL5gH8</a>

shadowmice · « **Reply #52 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:35:01 PM »

Very cool! The accompanying sound effects/music distract from the illusion of real animal but the responsiveness is very impressive. Nice fluid movements too.

Crewella · « **Reply #53 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:58:10 PM »

Wow! He does look like fun - and you're right, when he looks around it's much less of a 'scanning 120 degrees L to R' type action than the Aibo (though I've not had an ERS-7 yet).

It will be really interesting to see him develop, thanks for posting.

kat · « **Reply #54 on:** January 21, 2011, 06:36:25 AM »

Stanley is very cool.

I can't wait to see more.

bhobbes · « **Reply #55 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:15:08 AM »

Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it! Glad to see you are enjoying Stanley as well.

He looks really cool and entertaining. I think it'd be great if after you've spent a reasonable amount of time interacting with him you could compare him to Pleo (in terms of software/AI type things).

How do you enjoy the LED eyes? Do they really add a lot of "effect" (if that makes sense) to viewing it as a little bit more than just a robot (or more pet-like)? (Perhaps compared to an Aibo, which I read on a few sites have more movements etc. than Genibo)

Thanks again, I look forward to more videos as there seems to be so little out there on Genibo.

OzPleo · « **Reply #56 on:** February 18, 2011, 02:46:44 AM »

After a few battery cycles I've discovered that Genibo is a huge waste of money. To be honest Pleo is far better in terms of AI and I would compare Genibo to an i-cybie with a bit more pizzaz. Read all about it on my blog here http://mygenibo.com/?p=161

kat · « **Reply #57 on:** February 18, 2011, 05:05:35 AM »

I'm sorry he didn't turn out to be what you hoped.

Talon · « **Reply #58 on:** February 18, 2011, 08:24:59 AM »

I'm sorry about Genibo. In my opinion the thing's motors make too much noise. I was entranced with AI when Aibo came out but I couldn't dream of owning one. I'm glad you think Pleo is a better buy. If I could have had the money, I would have liked to own the last version of Aibo that Soni produced. Even so my blindness would've limited me somewhat. I could not fully interact with it because of some of its non-audio elements. One modification I would've appreciated is if it could go to your computer, download your email and then read it out to you. The command prompt could be "get the mail" or something like that. This could've applied to the local online newspaper as well- the classic picture of the dog with the newspaper in his mouth sybered up a bit. Too bad they are no longer in production. Lol.

scaledandtailed · « **Reply #59 on:** February 18, 2011, 08:26:50 AM »

   Oh Ozpleo, I’m really sorry that he wasn’t quite what the manufactures promised. Is there any chance at all that he develops overtime as pleoRB does so that he will start walking and exploring on his own? I hope you don’t mind me saying but if he’s at his optimum state it does sound from reading your experiences that they’ve been a little creative with the definition of autonomous robot.
   I really do feel for you I have to say. Having to deal with such a disappointment for something that you’d anticipated for so long is bad enough but given the money involved just makes the blow so much harder.
   It’s not even as though it was an impulse buy either. You’d thought about it for a year before taking the plunge. I’m just sorry that things haven’t worked out as you hoped.

OzPleo · « **Reply #60 on:** February 18, 2011, 12:24:37 PM »

Yes they were very creative with the definition of "autonomous robot". Genibo comes as a fully grown robot and even though it's experience level is meant to develop I have seen no change in it. I've ran the genibo through several battery cycles a day since I bought it and and it soon becomes obvious that it is not capable of independence like and aibo or even a Pleo.

Truly Pleo is far more advanced than genibo and costs a quarter of the price.

scaledandtailed · « **Reply #61 on:** February 18, 2011, 01:29:11 PM »

Well that doesn’t sound that entire grate at all given the price tag it comes with.
Real shame because it’s got so much potential if the right software to be written for it.

Is there any possibility that you can recoup some of the money that you spent on it?
It seems such a shame that you’ve been left so out of pocket for something that didn’t do what it said on the tin.
Scaly

OzPleo · « **Reply #62 on:** February 18, 2011, 01:33:09 PM »

That'd be nice. I'd put it on eBay and make it perfectly clear what it actually is as most people believe it's an aibo replacement, but of course that would mean it is worth far less than what I paid for it.

bhobbes · « **Reply #63 on:** February 18, 2011, 04:27:01 PM »

So sorry, that's really disheartening :\

Malfie · « **Reply #64 on:** February 18, 2011, 06:33:32 PM »

I'm sorry for your disappointment and especially after spending so much money

Crewella · « **Reply #65 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:39:43 AM »

Oh no! That's such a bummer - I'm so sorry, Ozpleo!

You were so excited when you got Stanley, but as you say he does sound a bit like a glorified i-Cybie. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the i-Cybie - I've always thought they were amazing FOR THE MONEY, and for the time they were made. But like you I'd expect something a lot more independent for today and the best part of $2000.

Is it possible that it might just take more time and further interaction to get him to be more self-sufficient? As we've seen so often on here with the Pleo and the Pleo rb, it's sometimes hard to work out what actually is the intended behaviour and what is either a fault or something that need more time to work through?

Have you managed to speak to other Genibo owners?

OzPleo · « **Reply #66 on:** February 19, 2011, 01:08:55 PM »

Crewella,

I've been running the genibo on several battery cycles a day since I got it. Like you I thought that maybe all it needed was further interaction in order to become smarter and more independent, but I can tell you it has shown no signs of that at all. The genibo is the same from the time he came out of the box to to now.

I tried to speak with some Genibo owners on another forum (aiboworld/geniboworld), but there is this rather rude member over there who also moderates it called Teamdax and because I didn't agree with him that a genibo is better than an aibo ers7 I was basically shut out (lol how mature). So that was an exercise in futility.

So I guess my genibo either goes into storage or I'll sell it for enough to buy another aibo 210.

Crewella · « **Reply #67 on:** February 19, 2011, 03:46:35 PM »

Oh good grief - I never fail to be exasperated by the ins and outs of various forum politics! The perils of independent thought!

I just hope you do manage to eventually get some useful input on this, even if it's just confirmation of your fears. If I come across anything that I think might be of use I'll give you a shout.

By the way, I've been following your blog site - it's impressive and you've made it really interesting. Your info on the i-Cybie is particularly good, there's more collected info on your site than pretty much anywhere else - anybody starting from scratch would be very well informed armed with just your and Aibohack's pages. Fab!

bhobbes · « **Reply #68 on:** February 19, 2011, 05:22:31 PM »

OzPleo, if you don't mind me asking you, especially since you've had experience with Pleos (and now some RB experience too), Genibo, and Aibos, how do you feel about a newbie to aibo's getting a ers-210s? Or the ers-311?

I just hear various things about their wear and tear and getting them fixed. And how do you feel about your Aibo compared to Pleos? (I'm sure it'd take quite a write up, but if there's any quick version. I've been following your blog but don't recall reading any direct comparisons in detail)

I believe in one blog post you said that Aibo was better built (or of a better build quality) than Genibo. This would seem to go against what I've heard about wear and tear of Aibos.

And really? Someone getting that huffy over a Genibo vs. Aibo preference? Gotta love the internet.

Crewella · « **Reply #69 on:** February 19, 2011, 06:22:03 PM »

If you don't mind a third person butting in (and even if you do I'm afraid it's hard to keep me qiuet

) my personal view is to go for an ERS-210 rather than an ERS-311. The 210 is much more versatile, and to be honest I think the 3-- series is missing many of the features that make Aibo interesting. Originally they were the cheaper version, but now they cost much the same on the second-hand market. The infamous DroopyHeadSyndrome issues are very well known, which is why you've heard such a lot about them, but are therefore reasonably easy to avoid when purchasing, or to fix.

Go for it, I say - they're great fun!

OzPleo · « **Reply #70 on:** February 19, 2011, 06:33:01 PM »

Quote from: Crewella on February 19, 2011, 06:22:03 PM

If you don't mind a third person butting in (and even if you do I'm afraid it's hard to keep me qiuet ) my personal view is to go for an ERS-210 rather than an ERS-311. The 210 is much more versatile, and to be honest I think the 3-- series is missing many of the features that make Aibo interesting. Originally they were the cheaper version, but now they cost much the same on the second-hand market. The infamous DroopyHeadSyndrome issues are very well known, which is why you've heard such a lot about them, but are therefore reasonably easy to avoid when purchasing, or to fix.

Go for it, I say - they're great fun!

I agree. The 210s are so much fun and very endearing.

Talon · « **Reply #71 on:** February 20, 2011, 05:21:56 PM »

Hi, OzPleo. I was just wondering if you were still going to sell Angus?

Talon

OzPleo · « **Reply #72 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:24:07 PM »

Quote from: Talon on February 20, 2011, 05:21:56 PM

Hi, OzPleo. I was just wondering if you were still going to sell Angus?
Talon

I'm considering it. He's the 2010 Innvo Pleo not the RB model.

Talon · « **Reply #73 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:49:08 AM »

Keep me in mind if you do choose to sell him. I really wanted a Pleo RB but vet bills took half my saved funds and I'm not sure if I'll be prepared to meet the April rush. I think even a 2010 moddel would be good practice until I recover my losses.

Crewella · « **Reply #74 on:** February 21, 2011, 08:49:06 AM »

Talon - just so you know, the Aibo 210 will read your emails with the Messenger software:

AIBO Messenger for ERS-210*

With AIBO Messenger, AIBO will let you know when you have e-mail and will read them aloud, making gestures with body language and actions that reflect the nature of the message! AIBO Messenger also allows AIBO to fetch the digital news on your favorite subjects from up to 6 web sites and remind you of important appointments.

Bob the Pleo Forums

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